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I could just be "wantig" the dog to have pit in him like what someone else said but I do see pit in the profile and ears, though the same could be found in other breeds I suppose. Anyway I agree to it being a pit/dane mix. Obviously Great Dane, and something though! :D Oh and I dont see Neo in there at all either... :-?

Well how about the dogs in your signature? Are they all yours? If so... one has a chain that appears to be pretty heavy. Just curious.

[quote name='Sarahstaff']It's easy to say that people shouldn't judge by appearance, but people [i]do[/i], and it's silly to ignore that.[/quote] Thats part of what Im tring to say! :D Those collars look great... although it seems like even thick collars seem to be stereotyped with "tough" dogs too. :roll: Hmmmm... those three mastiffs look familiar... :-? Oh I know now! Someone on another board Im at owns them, I think. Heh, cool! Oh sorry :lol: :oops: I just babble on like that all the time.

[quote name='Seijun']If anything, he would lie about it being HEAVIER than it actually is, to make it more attractive to people who DO use weighted collars.[/quote] Well, if he wants to sell it to someone who might be concerned about it weighing too much, then he might lie saying its lighter but I dont know if, when he was asked, if there was an hints to that or not, so thats probably not the case. [quote name='kendalyn']Is it still adding to the stereotype if I look nothing like a thug and my dog is a perfectly well behaved therapy dog who does nothing but cuddle sick children and old people all day? Why couldn't I do this and have my dog wear that collar?[/quote] Yeah I see your point... but if someone was walking by, say a pit bull, and saw that collar or a chain on it, do you really think theyre going to be impressed? And dont you think people are intimidated at first sight of a therapy dog with a chain aroud its neck? What if the dont give the dog a chance just because of that? I mean I get what your saying perfectly kendalyn! :wink: :D ...I just think that, in many cases, first impression means a lot. If someone could do what you said the that would be great but most of the time people dont explain, or better yet prove, that their dog is loving and not some monster... [quote name='kendalyn']Now you're anthropomorphizing a little too much.[/quote] :lol: yeah I suppose... I was just trying to prove my point. If that person who though your dog was "vicious" were to do somethig to harm your dog though, then Im sure your dog wouldnt be too happy about that.

God this thread got so... immature! :roll: glad things are settled though. Anyway... how do you know that person is telling the truth though? I hope that person isnt lying and if hes right then its good to know the collar isnt damaging. But I have to ask all of you who say they dont care what other people think about their dogs' collars... isnt this being kind of selfish? I mean, you should be thinking about all the stereotype you are adding to when you do this. I get where youre coming from and if you want to loo a certain way thats fine but youre dog doesnt have the choice, but Im sure your dog doesnt want others to loo down on its breed just because you dont care what other people think. Thats just my view on things though ad I certainly dont mean to offend by saying it either. Ugh True_Pits, thats not seriously yours is it??? I would hate to think after saying all you did about those chains that you actually use them on your dogs.

ugh sorr about the typos... eboard is stickig and it wont work right! :roll: :x

Well I dont have the energy to explai the whole heav chain and nec thig but Im sure others have links or can provide an explanation.

:o MajiesMom youre not serious are you??? If it were just the looks, sure, it wouldnt be that bad (except for the fact that it adds to the bad reputation these "tough" dogs get :roll: and I would think you would know since you own a dog known sometimes as vicious!) but these things completely damage the dogs neck!!

BK, yes, people are leaving the forum when their feelings get hurt. Im one of them. Sure, I only took a break but I considered leaving and if any more drama pops up I might still consider it. Please, you all to read through your posts first and make sure it cant be taken the wrong way... All I have to say is everyone please dont jump in and lecture someone about somethig... it doesnt help. Its great you wat to help the situation and everything but your voice through the internet can be so misunderstood, its best to either leave it or find a better aproach. Another thing is that, I know most of you dont mean to do it, but to the person being lectured, like Aruora, it can feel like your being ganged up on! I know, Ive been in the situation and thats why I perfectly feel where shes coming from. Probably shouldnt have even posted but I really think you guys should consider some of the things I said.

I have to say I was a little shocked to hear you want another dog right after getting your newest little boy but its none of my business as long as your heart is in the right place so good luck! Docking refers to the tail... cropping is ears.

Aw, thats so sad... I cant believe how people are so judgmental about these "vicious" dogs. :roll:

AAAAAAWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU DO THAT TO ME ROWIE!!!! :evil: :wink: DL, dont look, it'll only kill you to see!!!

I cant wait to see pics either!!!! I wish I had a dog to dress up for Halloween! :bigcry: :puppydogeyes:

Rotten_two, trying to teach the people at the shelter that not enforcing certain things isnt helping the dogs any is harder than it sounds. Im sure no matter what theyll still do what theyll always do. Tina, for one, babys all the dogs and they absolutely love her so shes happy with that. She actually ALLOWS Josie to nip and bite her (of course its love-bites and just playing). BUT STILL! Its just not exceptable and certainly not helping her chances for adoption at all!!!! I know that training has to be consistant thats why I tried doing the things I did before for a quick fix, I know it was irresponsible of me know that I think more about it but I feel like this is a never-ending battle since I only have around 4 hours to work with them only one day a week PLUS I cant always be working with them in those four hours since they have to be there for people to look at them. The puppy, Brook, reacts to other dogs first so she usually is starting it unless they send her some vibes that I dont notice which is very possible. I dont think its fear-based but again its possible. Shes a tough pup and tries to dominate every dog, and they dont usually like that idea. your suggestion to move her out of the situation isnt always easy. The pups are usually behind fences, which now that I think about it, might be whats making her uncomfortable. So now that thats apparent what should I do about it? Josie... lets see. Well, I can usually tell right away when a dog comes by she doesnt like it. She goes stiff and if the dog keeps walking by she starts growling a little and if I try to bring her back I only trigger her to flip out so I stopped doing that. Instead I called her name and get her attention with something. What kind of treats do I use? Hmmm, depends. Last weekend I bought some liver training treats. See the thing about the really good treats is I think it triggers her aggressive-side even more causing her to gaurd her food and so she just starts growling at all the dogs instead of a few. And with the quirt bottle, the only reason I do that is because all of the Straydog volunteers were taught by the PetsMart trainers to use them, great trainers, eh? Puuting myself between her and the other dog might help but Ive done that before with other dogs and with a dog this strong Ill have trouble holding her far enough back so that she doesnt scratch me adn take her anger out on me. And no dont think it wasnt what I wanted to hear, Im completely open to suggestions its just... ugh, I dont think you all realise just how hard it is to use these methods in the environment were in and how a long process wont work considering my little time available for them. Thanks and ILl try it anyway, I just hope it will work some.

That makes sense Matty and thanks! It doesnt exaclty help me though beause for one, Ive tried the whole treat thing with Josie and that just makes her more defensive over her food. And with the puppy, its almost too old and rough now to even have another dog that will tolerate it and teach it the right ways. Its a pit mix and sweet as can be with humans but does have an attitude with other dogs. I dont think it has anything with her being a pit though, I think its just from being at the shelter shes at shes learned to stick up for herself when bullied. She had part of her ear torn off the last time playing, thats how rough she and her other puppy-friends get! :o Josie is a quick learner, she really is but her stubborness is hard to deal with in training. So if I do try and work with positive training, how can I work on it without having to spend LOTS of time on it. Thats the whole problem, I need quick results for Adoption Days. What should I do when I can feel her getting tense around another dog or starts to bark or whine? I cant just ignore it because that will start the other dogs up and cause havoc. Its really hard to do positive tarining in that kind of environment because Im worried her barking and aggressiveness will give the pit even more of a bad image.

Poor little Tigger! That would be so awful! Good luck and Ill be hoping for everything to go okay!

Ive been volunteering for a shelter at their Adoption Days for a little over a year now. Well, Ive learned a lot from this and Dogo about dog behaviour and Id like to say I know how the mind of a dog works pretty well honestly. I apply this to the dogs at Straydog but Im concerned about whether or not Im doing it right even though its gotten me good results. I often think about wolves and their behavior when I work with puppies, is this worng to do? This one pup is about 5 months old and is slightly dog aggressive, she thinks shes just as big as all the other dogs and really gets mean! So, heres what I did. She was barking excessively and even snapping at another dog. I grabbed her put her on her back in a submissive postition in front of me and the dog she was barking at who was older (she needs to have respect for her elders :lol: ) Am I wrong in doing this at all? If so, what should I do instead? Then theres Josie, a pit bull I love to death!!! Well, she is dog aggressive in a way. At first she seems to do okay with other dogs but once shes around them for too long, she gets aggressive towards them. Ive been trying really hard to work with her but shes too stubborn for a lot of my usual techniques. Ive tried using a squirt bottle, distracting her by several means but nothings worked too good. The only thing that has worked and gotten her under control pretty well is applying pressure to her throat when she barks. I yell to her "no bark!" and when she calms down I tell her "good no bark!" and somewtimes give her a treat or at least pet her A LOT! She responds well to this but shes so stubborn at times that doing that doesnt work. I dont want to cause damage to her trachea or anything by choking her too much or hurting her neck but shes unwilling to give up. What else can you expect from a pittie though, eh? :lol: So about Josie, should I try something else or should I keep doing this? It HAS been working but Im seriously worried about hurting her. Should I not be as worried, I mean dogs are pretty strong and what I might think is hurtful really might not be... wrong or not? My overall point is though that I need quick and simple techniques because as soon as they go back to the shelter theyll be spoiled and no training will go into effect. Most of the dogs have learned that Im pretty strict though and get their act back together when Im with them or otherwise theyll not be rewared or even wghen worst comes to worst punished in a sense. I know positive training is the right way to go but its a long process and thats just something I cant do with these dogs when I dont have them 24/7. So advice please?!? Thanks in advance!!!!! [b]EDIT: I do know that my methods werent the best thing to do, just so you know. So please dont flame me :lol: [/b]

Nice site! Just a tip, not trying to annoy you or anything :wink: but you really need to have credit for the pictures. You could get sued if youre not careful about that! :o Just trying to be helpful because I wouldnt want anything bad to happen with that! Oh and I agree about the possibility to work in a vets office at 11. I almost did, of course it would be volunteer work for me but still.

Wow thats as weird as my experience with the whole Mei-Mei China Resturant and Primrose Preschool. :lol:

WOW THAT DOG IS BEAUTIFUL!!!! :o :D :angel: I would say that dog is purebred if it werent for the eyes but I wonder if its possible for a dobe to have blue eyes (except for being albino).

I agree with PUP! :)

Well since I dont have dogs I dont have to be cautious but I remember when I did go to the shelter I went with someone who had a dog so we bleached our shoes and changed clothes.

yup its been posted already

You know, desertlady, your post made me think. I mean I know there are people out there doing what you said but its not something I hear about. I only hear about anti-BSL, and educating the public about the real pit. Angie's K9 Kids here in Dallas (which has a lot of pit-fights) rescues pits. One situation made me cry. There was this one pit who one of the volunteers came across and the guy was going to shoot the poor pittie. She paid him $3, 3! Thats how much this dog was worth to him. Basically he was going to shoot him because he lost in a dog fight. Now, that lucky boy is named Patch (hes in my banner in my siggy) and had surgery to correct his hindlegs which were severly deformed (I believe his kneecaps were on the wrong side of his leg and so twisted inward! ick!). Hes at Straydog now but still hasnt been adopted. Hes not even dog aggressive either. Youre right though, there needs to be much firmer laws on dog fights, and even more so I think on animal abuse because thats where it all starts, IMO. I know there are organizations out there trying to change this but again, its not something I hear about too often...

That was... amazing. :o Wow. Im at a loss for words right now. That was great. The truth is so sad though, isnt it. :cry: