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Aw, lucky ducky! :wink: Hope you have fun with that! (Im sure you will though) And it doesnt suprize me much that people would steal pits... especially in Michigan, no offence

Those are great! I like the last one (and the first one but I want to be different! :lol: )

Thanks Gooeydog & Mutts, Ill get to work on adjusting it again and post it to see if I got it right this time... Cassie - I got this information from several sites, not my mind or just one resource. I even got yelled at on Dogo for saying what you said to me about "any dog can be aggressive and any dog can bite".... I believe it was by Heartagold or maybe odnarb (but Im not positive!) Anyway, Im not sure what I believe on that matter, Im just getting this from websites. And I disagree with you about this... [quote]It

Sine the other one kinda turned into a debate somehow... :-? uh heres part two without the arguement over prejudice against people/dogs thing... Ok so I wrote my report and I need opinions on if its correct and what I can do to make it better... please? Thanks! [quote] [b]The American Staffordshire Terrier[/b] The American Staffordshire terrier, also known as the Pit Bull, the Staffordshire terrier, the Am Staff, the AST, and other various names. The Am Staff is a strong and muscular dog, yet agile and graceful. This breed is well-known for its courage and loyalty to its owner and friendliness towards people in general. Its history is graphic, to say the least, and even today the breed seems to be enduring the discrimination of people against its fighting ancestors. Because of its unappealing past, the American Pit Bull terrier was put under the alias of the Staffordshire terrier, which later took the name American Staffordshire terrier. People have been debating over whether or not these two breeds are one in the same for many, many years. Still, the AST is a versatile breed capable of doing many activities and is always people-loving, or otherwise considered unsound. The American Staffordshire terrier

[quote name='CincoandDahlilasgirl']....can u believe they actualy dogs on sale?! ...499 off....[/quote] Sale? Yeah, well, dogs are like items to them. Idiots. If it was that much off you have to wonder how much it was initially... geez the price off by itself is as much as a breeder would charge. :o

I second what DAL said... ugh, unbelievable. When is the world going to wake up???? :(

Good post Mutts!!! :kciuki: :klacz:

you know it would be nice if for once they had a breed database for both the conformation and performance types of every breed instead of just show sorry just had to say that since Court mentioned her foxhound being field trial and not show

I completely understand where youre coming from, Cairn, but Im not judging the dogs, [b]Im judging the people[/b]... theres a difference. I said I love Goldens, I just hate how people think of them as "perfect." I know that all breeds can be great dogs and that all breeds can be little devils. Its all in the owner and breeder. I just have a problem with people not thinking thats the way it is, because, well, it is. Yes I KNOW that a pit bull can do more damage than a Chi can and I KNOW that some breeds are more likely to bite than others but thats not my point.... my point is that its never the dogs fault, its the people's and I put all the blame and yes even prejudice on the people. It was wrong of me to judge the teacher but I cant help what pops into my head when I think "Golden" just like a person whos been attacked or witnesses an attack by a pit bull probably cant help but think of their powerful jaws coming towards them and clamping down. Even if you dont blame the dogs, you cant help what comes into your head about them.

[quote name='Cassie'][quote]Well it was very interesting in class the other day. He was explaining the history of dogs.... and said they cam from wolves. I thought that was false? I mean I know theyre related but he was talking about the whole "cavemen tamed wolves" thing[/quote] Basically yes, our dogs did have a common ancestor with current day wolves. The ancestor is extinct. Our dogs evolved on their own to be local scavengers, this happened when man started settling down with permanent homes. This scavenger dogs lived amoung the humans and lived off the left overs man left. Our dogs became tame naturally, man had little to do with it...they just set the right opportunity for dogs to domesticate themselves. If you want to read a good book on this and the history of our dog read the book called "Dogs" by Raymond and Lorna Coppinger. This book was written by biologists who have actually studied domestic dogs, not studied wolves to understand dogs :roll: although they have studied all Canines including wolves and Coyotes. :wink:[/quote] Okay that makes sense. I went back to read this packet we got and basically it said they same thing you did lol :oops: I hate it when I do that (and I often do lol) Oh and thanks for the good luck! :wink: I cant wait until we get to grooming! Too bad I dont have a dog to bring in since we can. :cry: Anyway back to my report! :D

Thats a GREAT, BEAUTIFUL painting!!! :o :D

Thank you Mutts for explaining that. I have nothing against Goldens... just the people that dont realize without proper training ANY dog can turn out bad. Im sorry its just something that drives me insane. I like Goldens but Ive never met one that hasnt had issues mostly b/c people think they dont need training to be "perfect" :roll: Anyway, thanks to those of you who sent me links! Especially the links to forums you sent me Gooeydog! Theyre a BIG help. Actually.... I have to ask something else... Should I just cover AmStaffs or both them AND the pit bull? Since theyre so closely related. And if I do that should I include the StaffyBull too? Or should I just stick to the AmStaff and explain the other breeds and their relation in detail?

I alread have a lot of information but Im trying to get as much as possible... Thanks Mutts! :D

Okay I get u... but, uh, I wasnt trying to mean anything about the amount of damage or the amount of aggressive either just that ANY dog can be mean if not raised (trained, breed, etc.) correctly. I cant exactly answer ur questions (except for what I and my teacher meant) so Im sorry. Well it was very interesting in class the other day. He was explaining the history of dogs.... and said they cam from wolves. I thought that was false? I mean I know theyre related but he was talking about the whole "cavemen tamed wolves" thing... :-? We watched "The Wolf Within" from Animal Planet after he talked about that whole theory. Ive already seen it though. Everything theyre teaching so far I already know lol! We have to do a report on the breed of our choice too... can you guess what Im doin? lol Well its the AmStaff actually. Ive noticed most sites I went to dont have anything about how it came from the pit bull, only the StaffyBull. Anyone have any good links for the full history of the AmStaff??

Ummm, Im sorry Matty but I really dont get what that had to do with anything I said. :-? Maybe I missed something here? He nor I ever said anthing about any dog being dangerous.. only mean. Any breed can be that. I agree though that the extent of damage is way worse with some breeds, but that has nothing to do with what I said... :wink:

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Eh, its worth a shot but if theirs no evidence.... :-? Poor doggies. :cry: And sadest thing of all is like him most of the "tough" Hispanics in the school fight dogs. Yup, gotta love Texas sometimes! :roll:

[quote name='Matty']I liked the Dogue de Bordeaux off Turner & Hooch.[/quote] Same here! Oh and I love Fang from Harry Potter! ...and one of the dogs from Homeward Bound II. I forgot her name, uh.... the one that also appears in Dr. Dolittle as the dog he had as a kid??? Whats that dogs name???? ...and I love Gus from Iron Will! Hes so pretty! Eddie (from 100 Deeds), too, I think is so stunning!!!! In White Fang I love the dog (only b/c it looked like my old dog) that gets eaten by the wolf pack. Same with the dog from E.T.... looks identical to my old dog and Im not joking! :o

Well I just started my second semester meaning I have Canie Science! WOOHOO!!!! :lol: Went to class and the teacher explained the course, then he went on to say stuff about him ownig a Golden Retriever and I thought "Oy!" I kinda thought maybe he thought, like so many people, that they are the perfect breed (even with no training.) Then he said he bred and showed dogs for years... which made me dislike him more (no offense, but i still dont like breeding with overpopulation problems.) The only thing I was worried about was going into this class was having a teacher who disliked pit bulls.... Well we went around the class and we had to state our name and if we had any dogs. My turn: I said my name and said I dont have a dog but I volunteer with them. Finally we get to the last kid, ugh, well Ill just type up the basic conversation.... Kid: Yeah, uh, I got two pit bulls! A rednose ad a bluenose. Teacher: Are they trained? (he asked everyone this) Kid: Yeah, to fight!!! *proud look on face* Teacher: Each other? Kid: well... yeah.. *Counsler walks in* Kid: ....uh, I mean no!... uh.... Teacher: So you trained your dogs to fight each other? Kid: ...uuummmm..... Counsler: He just doesnt want to get in trouble *Teacher and counsler laugh and counsler brings him out in the hall (not b/c of the pit/fightin thing though!) Im sitting here in utter disgustion! :o :evil: Then the teacher goes into a discussion about "any breed can be a super breed, but any breed can also be a mean one" he went on about how its the owners fault not the dog. Im thinking, "YES! He [i]is[/i] a good teacher after all!" Then he said, "...pit bulls can be great dogs. Ive seen them do therapy work... just loving dogs!" I was so glad he said that especially right after people were just thinking about how mean they must be to fight. Im still pissed that that boy is probably goin to bred his two dogs and fight them and he wont get in trouble! :evil: :evil:

Aw thats horrible! :evil: That would piss me off so bad!

Wow really, DO? I couldve sworn they were bred for companionship only.... well shows what I know. :roll: :lol: Between the Wrinkles, actually there are two types of American Mastiffs. The dry-mouthed, like you mentioned ....and the over-sized pit/mastiff mixes. :x

Sadly though... the public doesnt know that and thinks its all the APBTs doing, not other breeds too. :cry: :roll:

[quote]There is no specific breed of dog called a "pit bull". The term refers to a group of dogs developed a for competitive dog fighting.[/quote] This also came from their site (if you didnt already read it). So according to that, they are some-what correct... but French bulldogs (among Boxers, Boston terriers, etc.) were never bred to fight! [quote]Pit Bull is NOT a breed. It's a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics often known by the public as "Pit Bulls". [/quote] This is from PBRC. This could cover SO MANY breeds! Much of which are on that list. I still only consider Pit Bulls to be AmStaffs, APBTs, and StaffyBulls though.... but pit bulls, geez, that could be so many breeds. No wonder the media always says "pit bull attacks!" :roll:

Hope he gets MUCH better and lives his life with great quality!

[quote name='MBM']I miss understood where you were coming from. I still say no, they would be pit bull "type" dogs, which is such a wide and varying thing I cannot even begin to imagine putting all the breeds who qualify into it. Lets try just for fun, here are a few of the obviuous; Am-Staff Bull Terrier Staffy Bull Pit Bull Cane Corso Dogo Argentino (sp?) Bull Mastiff Am-Bull anyone else?[/quote] See, exactly... the pit bull "type" is what theyre referring to on this page so some of them, yeah, I can see what theyre talking about... I mean far enough back in history these dogs were all linked and I think thats why they grouped them this way. Still some of them arent what we would normally refer to as a pit bull.