imported_Kat

Too much experience with unsocialised dogs! a true unsocialised dog will exhibit characteristics that are more like a wild dog. Avoidance behaviour is the classic symptom where the dog will have intense eye contact and avoid physical touch and if approached may yelp or scream. Retching or actual vomiting or defaecation also occur. Displacement behaviour is also common where if a dog is being watched from a distance he may suddenly start vigorously licking himself, especially at the genitals, and the dog may even turn to self mutilation in extreme cases. Zoochotic behaviour like continuous pacing in a cage or following an identical route (e.g around a sofa in a home) with additionally the animal ignoring human voice or seeming oblivious is also classic. One dog which comes to mind was a Patterdale terrier called Ziko (we named him as he didn't even have a name...just a number) from a puppy mill bust. This little dog was nearly beyond help having never seen the light of day. He was born in the mill and was destined to die in the mill. He had no idea how to walk on a lead let alone be social. We kept him at our surgery in an elevated secure cage (crate) in the waiting room at reception and got people to speak to him and slip him food. Slowly he came around and with us letting him run free after surgery was over the break through came one day when a few of us were sitting eating our lunch and he came and lay down at my feet. That was the first time in a month since we had him that he came and asked for physical touch. From then the struggle was less uphill but none the less he still needed a lot of work but after nearly half a year being at our surgery and going to socialisation classes we finally rehomed him to a lovely middle aged couple. They kept up the classes with him and started entering obedience shows and to my knowledge he has won out of pre-beginners and beginners and is now working novice. :D Its a lot of hard work but when you see a happy little dog who strains on his lead with a wagging tail to come and say hello to me at a show its well worth while :wink:

The two Danes that I petsit for regularly have cabbage added to their food and whoosh. Big dog= big fart! :o

yeah I didn't think that Gigi had a deaf dog either :-?

lol you are sooo right about horses doing that! :lol:

Here is an exert from research that focussed on dogs (GSD's) trained using the electronic shock collar. My access is limited to the scientific sites and archives now that I'm not at uni, so I can't pull up the whole article unfortunately. [quote]Training dogs with help of the shock collar: short and long term behavioural effects Matthijs B. H. Schilder, , a, b and Joanne A. M. van der Borga Abstract Behavioural effects of the use of a shock collar during guard dog training of German shepherd dogs were studied. Direct reactions of 32 dogs to 107 shocks showed reactions (lowering of body posture, high pitched yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirection aggression, tongue flicking) that suggest stress or fear and pain. Most of these immediate reactions lasted only a fraction of a second. The behaviour of 16 dogs that had received shocks in the recent past (S-dogs) was compared with the behaviour of 15 control dogs that had received similar training but never had received shocks (C-dogs) in order to investigate possible effects of a longer duration. Only training sessions were used in which no shocks were delivered and the behaviour of the dogs (position of body, tail and ears, and stress-, pain- and aggression-related behaviours) was recorded in a way that enabled comparison between the groups. During free walking on the training grounds S-dogs showed a lower ear posture and more stress-related behaviours than C-dogs. During obedience training and during manwork (i.e. excercises with a would-be criminal) the same differences were found. Even a comparison between the behaviour of C-dogs with that of S-dogs during free walking and obedience exercises in a park showed similar differences. Differences between the two groups of dogs existed in spite of the fact that C-dogs also were trained in a fairly harsh way. A comparison between the behaviour during free walking with that during obedience exercises and manwork, showed that during training more stress signals were shown and ear positions were lower. The conclusions, therefore are, that being trained is stressful, that receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs, and that the S-dogs evidently have learned that the presence of their owner (or his commands) announces reception of shocks, even outside of the normal training context. This suggests that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at stake, at least in the presence of their owner. Author Keywords: Dog; Training; Stress; Welfare; Shock collar [/quote]

I read articles printed in veterinary journals about electronic shock collars causing epilepsy in dogs, but I don't have the articles. I will have a look through the archives of some scientific journals and see if i can dig anything up. :wink:

doh Peaches, silly pupper. Time out and boundaries being set will hopefully do the trick!

good things come to those who wait :wink: She will be home with you soon :wink: Just a question out of curiosity: Was she quarantined with the bitch from birth?

oh geeze please don't resort to an electronic collar. They cause all sorts of behavioural problems along with alterations in brain behaviour that can lead to epilepsy. That shock you felt? try magnifying about 100 fold and that is what your dog will feel. A dogs perception of feeling is much stronger than a humans. The kennel club is currently investigating 2 dog clubs in England that are using them as they are banned here. Dogs learn much easier when there is a strong bond between handler and dog that can be created by having a give and take relationship, through positive and motivational training. Forced training through a choke chain or electronic shocking collar is no way to train in my opinion.

lol the look says it all :lol:

4 meals a day is the usual for a young puppy that has just left Mum. Veggies at such a young age should be introduced very gradually and in small amounts. Carrots, broccoli, spinach, potato are all good to feed to puppies as long as they are processed in a food processor as this helps to break down the cellulose cell walls of the veggies which can be difficult for pups to digest. Cooking removes most of the nutritional value from veggies so its better to feed raw liquidised veg instead. Just ensure that you avoid onions and green parts of potatoes as they can cause kidney failure in dogs.

Great to hear that Zebra is settling down :wink:

yep its great with animals. Much more easier to clean than fabric stuff!

Having looked at that website, too many terms point to ByB or irresponsible breeder at least. Good luck with your puppy. You weren't to know about this breeder being dodgy, but a lot of the terms she has used in amongst all the fancy palava are just made-up terms that aren't recognised by the kennel club including "pocket sized and tea-cup". These terms are used by breeders who are desperate to campaign their dogs as desirable to Joe Bloggs with little knowledge and to make a quick buck, without considering the true protection of the breed and also the dogs breed in the long term . Also a good breeder will never have a reservoir of puppies waiting for homes like those people do. Good breeders usually have sold all their pups before they are even born! Additionally their bitch Savannah whelped in July 2004 and on the site it states that she is expecting pups again within a few weeks!!! That is pure over breeding especially as the bitch looks to be about 5/6 years old.

why are people who are scared of dogs doing Canine science? :o Your course sounds like such a gift by the way; you're so lucky to have it :wink:

Its the age old story unfortunately. I would contact the animal protection society so that they can give him a kick up the jacksie to get the fence fixed.

Good luck to you and Haley and please keep us updated. I hope that chemo will be aggressive treatment enough as an amputated leg for a 3 legged dog would not be very good news at all.

Hes a stunning looking dog, very unusual :wink:

Thats great that shes got a brill home! :wink:

If its been less than 24 hours it sounds like she has scavenged and picked something foreign up which has upset her tummy. Milk of Magnesia is great for upset tummies which I think is along the lines of pepto bismol that you have in America. I would just totally starve her for 24 hours with just water little and often then offer something very light like a half slice of dry toast. Obviously if it continues longer or she gets worse then take her to the vet.

Thank goodness things weren't worse!

My old Golden girl Zoe isn't doing so well these past few days and at 13 and a half years old, well time isn't on her side. If you could all maybe just send a positive thought her direction I would be very grateful :wink: [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/CollieKat/zoetree.jpg[/img]

superb pics and its lovely to see that she has settled in so well :wink:

Happy Whelping day Stryker and heres to many more years of birthdays :bday:

Happy Birthday Kyra! :bday: