Rosebud

:lol: :lol: :lol: Sounds like he's got her trained. Rocket won't take food away from anydog/cat in this house, he just sits and whines at ME for them to give it back. Sounds like you have my Miss Kitty's brother she don't put up with anything with the pups and they just sit there and whine about it. :angel:

:-? First thing I would do is to get an actual skin scrap done by a different vet. Sarcoptic mange is not very easy to diagnose and I would question why your vet is using antihistamines and revolution for treatment, Sarcoptic mange is usually treated with [b]shampoo[/b], and through sterilization of the pups living quarters. I wouldn't advise you give your pup benadryl since he already on an antihistamine. A new vet with a positive diagnosis will be able to help with the proper treatment methods. I'm not sure what the formula for a antihistamine is but the formula for tylenol is 1/10th of 1cc for every lb of body weight. I always use the children's formulas since they are milder on the stomach and the pups love the grape flavor. That would put your baby at 4/10th cc. or 4/10th mg. Good luck :angel:

:lol: [quote name='abker17']Interseting. :) Scientist have also just recently proven that dogs pick up on human cues faster than apes, monkeys, gorrilas, and other very intelligant(sp?) animals. An example, [color=red]when I get out the leash, my dogs know we are going outside.[/color] Also, it has just been proven that dogs have basic math skills, including the ability to count! :o[/quote] I just have to [b]touch the area[/b] where the leashes are and they come running from the back of the house. Kiger that was a great article. It definately explains why I can just look at Sally and she knows whether or not I'm pleased with her. :angel:

[quote name='RR']...I own Volhards book which i find useful in areas. We feed a BARF diet consisting of meat, bone, veggies and fruit and no grains (except what is in some of their treat biscuits). I know Volhard is big on the use of grains. Dogs also get carbohydrates from veggies and fruit.[/quote] RR & Mary's mama - What are your feelings about their comments on corn? :angel:

:D Just checked it out. I didn't know that about an all Lamb diet. I chose Eagle Natural, glad I did. I really do love the food, and the babies love it too. I feed two cups each dry kibble in the morning, they nibble what they want to. Then I give two & half cups of kibble and the "good stuff" for their evening meal and they love that too. The bag says 5-6 cups a day for their weight but since I feed people dog food I only give them 4 1/2 cups of kibble a day. I haven't heard anyone else mention this food so I was beginning to wonder if it was the best thing to be feeding my babies. :angel:

:D Thanks for your input. I too am not to wild about all the salt either. I was pretty impressed with the guarantee analysis and the quality statement. This is what I have been feeding since the pups could eat, they both have beatiful coats and I have not had any allergy problems with it. Sally grew proportional the whole time she was growing. I kept waiting for her to go through the ugly ackward stage where her legs where to long for her body and her knees and elbows looked huge and it never happened. Very healthy stools that have always been regular. I do add cooked meats & veggies to the kibble and always add broth. I also supplement with grade A yogurt but I didn't start doing all that til the pups were 9 months old. I am wondering if this is a good food to feed with the added meat & veggies or if I need to switch to something else. It is a puppy and active large breed formula so it should be o.k. to keep them on it permanately. [quote]Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein min. 23.0% Crude Fat min. 12.0% Crude Fiber max. 3.5% Moisture max. 10.0% Calcium min. 1.5% Phosphorus min. 1.0% Vitamin A min. 22,000 IU/kg. Vitamin E min. 165 IU/kg. Glucosamine min. 400ppm Omega 6 min. 1.6% Omega 3 min. 0.17%* *not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO dog food nutrient profile.[/quote] Here's the quality statement. [quote]formulas are the ideal mixer for BARF diets, ingredients are human-grade, all natural, with added vitamins and minerals. Trace minerals are sequestered (kelp coated) to keep vitamins from being destroyed. A total of 8 or more 'Wellness For Life Nutrition™ ingredients provide optimum health to the pet. These ingredients include digestive enzymes, prebiotics, probiotics, SQM™ (the science of sequestering), yucca, OMEGA HEALTH™, AQUA-C™, the 3 primary antioxidants, and higher overall levels of vitamins and minerals. Contrary to what you may hear, wellness ingredients that could be destroyed during the cooking process are added after cooking and after the food has cooled to room temperature. We are a family owned company, have been making pet food for 30 years and have more experience than anyone, in effectively adding these wellness ingredients.[/quote] and here's their statement on the corn: [quote]Carbohydrates are used in pet food primarily to provide energy. Energy is required for the central nervous system, normal and high levels of physical activity and is also needed when anabolic activities like gestation, lactation and growth are proceeding at a high rate. With little or no dietary carbohydrates available there is added strain on fat and protein. This extra burden on fats and proteins can cause serious problems at birthing time.(1) Judicious use of carbohydrates in a meat-based formula, i.e. corn not listed first on the ingredient panel, is a nutritionally healthy use of corn and other quality carbohydrates. (1) Hypoglycemia prior to welping, reduced plasma concentrations, reduced number of live births, lethargy, reduced mothering ability, fetal abnormalities, embryo resorption and reduced milk production. It Is Not A Filler... While we believe in meat-based diets, meaning meat should be listed first on the ingredient panel, corn makes an important nutritional contribution to the formula, as noted above; fillers, such as wheat mids and peanut hulls, do not. Rarely Does Corn Cause Allergies... A complete literature review shows that corn is rarely incriminated as causing allergies. "Small Animal Clinical Nutrition" addresses this twice: "There have been only six confirmed cases of allergy to corn in dogs reported in the veterinary literature out of 253 total cases." "Corn is a nutritionally superior grain compared with others used in pet foods because it contains a balance of nutrients not found in other grains. Corn provides a highly available source of complex carbohydrates and substantial quantities of linoleic acid, an essential fatty acid important for healthy skin. Corn also provides essential amino acids and fiber. In a survey of veterinary dermatologists, corn was not listed among the ingredients most often suspected to cause food allergies. A review of over 200 confirmed canine cases of food allergy in the veterinary literature revealed only three were caused by corn." A Very Digestible Carbohydrate... One pet food company that does not have ready access to corn states, rather crudely, that look how corn comes out after we eat corn on the cob and therefore it can't be very digestible. This company knows full well that corn is ground very finely before it is added to the pet food formula. According to "Small Animal Clinical Nutrition", 4th Edition, "Several reports (3) indicate that dogs and cats readily digest starches in commercial pet foods. In studies, dogs were fed foods in which 30 to 57% of the food came from extruded corn, barley, rice or oats. The starch was nearly 100% digested in the small intestine." As a total ingredient, corn is 91% digestible. Non-GMO, Pesticide Free... Our corn is non-GMO. We buy it from area farmers personally known to us for over 30 years. It is bought fresh during the harvest. The balance is stored locally, until the next harvest. No pesticides are used from the day the seed is planted until the corn is harvested. The above information came from a highly respected source with no ax to grind. Will a few dogs be allergic to corn? Yes. Can someone find a piece of research (credible or not) that incriminates corn? Probably. It is hard to do the math because some base numbers are not available, but probably only one dog out of several hundred thousand dogs are likely to be allergic to corn. With an ingredient that quality research shows to be an excellent ingredient, why would you not want to food it as the carbohydrate component in the diet? Sources: The information above was drawn from fifteen research studies as listed in "Small Animal Clinical Nutrition" 4th Edition. "The Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog". Wendy Volhard and her husband, Jack, train dogs and conduct "Camps" on dog training, nutrition, and holistic care. Howell Book House recently published a second edition of "The Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog". Volhard regards carbohydrates as crucial for a dog's health, and utilizes grains as the major provider of carbohydrates.[/quote] RR wrote [quote]...would prefer to see the meat sources ahead of the grains...[/quote] Lamb Meal The rendered product from lamb tissues but does not include added blood, hair, hooves, horn, hide trimmings, stomach or rumen contents. A good source of protein, fat, calcium and phosphorus. Meat/Beef/Lamb/Veal/Venison The clean flesh derived from mammals limited to striate tissue found in muscle, tongue, diaphragm, heart or esophagus. If from a particular source it may state so (i.e. lamb, beef, calves/deer etc). An excellent source of protein, and fat. In dog food ingredient listings Meal means the Meat has had the water rendered and the ingredient is weighed dry not wet. Source: FDA consumer information [quote]For example, one pet food may list "meat" as its first ingredient, and "corn" as its second. The manufacturer doesn't hesitate to point out that its competitor lists "corn" first ("meat meal" is second), suggesting the competitor's product has less animal-source protein than its own. However, meat is very high in moisture (approximately 75% water). On the other hand, water and fat are removed from meat meal, so it is only 10% moisture (what's left is mostly protein and minerals). If we could compare both products on a dry matter basis (mathematically "remove" the water from both ingredients), one could see that the second product had more animal-source protein from meat meal than the first product had from meat, even though the ingredient list suggests otherwise. [/quote] :angel:

:D [quote]Lamb Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Yellow Corn, Oatmeal, Chicken Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid, and Rosemary Extract), Corn Germ Meal (Dry Milled), Brewers Dried Yeast, Fish Meal, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Activated Animal Sterol (source of Vitamin D3), Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenate Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Inositol, Dehydrated Kelp, SQM

:D Fingers, toes & paw-paws are crossed here. :angel:

[quote name='RR']Form follows function. If you look at where any dog came from conformation is extremely important --- if a dog doesn't have conformation it can't do the job it was bred to do. I believe breeders especially new breeders should be involved in conformation shows even if to start you are just a spectator. I always learn something and make a point to do so. To plan on having correctly built dogs you need to know what is correct. Showing, I believe is a small but important part. Research, history of the breed, knowing the breed standard, knowledge of conformation, structure & genetics is important. In the multitude of replies this topic is sure to create I believe you will hear about breeders who breed for "showy" and flashy looks --- which is what conformation means to some. NOT that this is right. I personally would avoid the breeder who's focus is a pretty coat. Others look past flashy and believe in having their dogs evaluated by people qualified to do so. THEN you will hear about those who breed strickly on working ability and the dogs keenness to hunt, track, race whathaveyou. The dog may or may not resemble breed standard. NOT that this is right either. All in all remember there are breeders out there who breed for BOTH correct conformation and ability --- to me this is the ideal and I would certainly try hard to find such a breeder for a mentor. JMO :)[/quote] :D My thoughts exactly. One thing I am at a loss at is Lure-Coursing & Agility are pretty much the only ability sports available for the RR. I would like to get my line involved in actual simulated hunts and don't know where to start. :angel:

:D Here's another link for you to check out. [url]http://www.peteducation.com/category_summary.cfm?cls=2&cat=1625[/url] :angel:

:D Rocket has a blast this past week-end playing in the lake. He would get out just far enough to have to stand on his back legs, then he would try to catch the water that he was splashing with his front legs. :angel:

:D I thought [u]everyone [/u] here would like this since it's a big topic at the forum right now. This is from the site of a very responsible and respected breeder of RR's. [url]http://www.sulawesirr.com/what_is_a_breeder.htm[/url] :angel:

:D I failed the first test, I picked the AST. Yeah, I'm proud I did good on the second site, I had it narrowed down to two pics and one of them was right. I noticed both sites had an RR, could anyone tell which one was the RR? :angel: answer: First site - [size=1]D3[/size] Second site - [size=1]Bottom right corner[/size]

[quote name='Carolk9s'][quote name='Kiger']I find it hard to believe that Missouri has a demand for any kind of dog seeing how it is the puppymill capitol of the world. And as much as I hate to refer you back to Petfinder, you will notice that there are 8549 labs listed on it. [/quote] I agree Kiger, I am also going to say, I've had doubts about this poster from the start but wanted badly to keep an open mind. I must admit my doubts are growing. Perhaps they are not as they seem.[/quote] Carol - I understand your doubt, but I think Angelboddy still deserves the benefit of the doubt, she is obviously concerned about her baby enough to ask our opinions, hopefully she is mature and responsible enough to accept it as honest opinions and not an outright attack on her. :angel:

:wink: I understand your concern, Sandy was never truly happy by herself. IG's need companionship and now that she has Sally & Rocket she is a happy girl. Are you in a position to adopt another Maltese or maybe a Poodle for her to play with. I really think it's always best for the four-legged children to have a friend live with them. :angel:

:lol: :lol: :lol: Sounds like Rowie knew how to give you a good laugh in spite of the tick situation. :angel:

:wink: Thanks for your support, it really scared me, I want to make sure that everything is good health wise and that I finish her before I even decide whether or not to breed her, but I already know that the earliest I can breed is the spring of 2005 (my puppy-sitter is not available in the fall and Sally won't have her test results back in time for a spring 2004 breeding). I know it's just a dream and I'm sure that it's my subconcious worrying since Sally & Rocket (he's been fixed, he's not show or breed quality) are at the lake right now with my puppy-sitter and I'm at home and even though she isn't due to come into heat until sometime in July it doesn't mean that she won't come in heat early. I guess it just means that I am going to make a new friend that has RR's and my dream is warning me to not let Sally out of my site around my new friend to come's dog. :angel:

:oops: Thank you. :angel:

[quote name='Angelboddy']Thank you for all your replys. I have done all the test necessary for her breeding ability. And they all came out great :D . I am not sure if i want to breed her quit yet. I've been doing alittle research on labs here in missouri. So far it seems that pure breed labs come at a great demand down here. There are a lot of hunting and bird hunting going on. In fact we have one of the largest hunting stores right down the street from us called "BASS PRO" I still have more research i want to do before completely deciding on this. I volenteered for the humane society for awhile and saw soooooooooo many mixed labs. That made me think some more. I don't want to see any of my dogs pups haveing pups of a mix and ending up in the pound. I've got so many freinds and family that really want a pup from her. But i need to think about everyones best interest. Mostly my dogs and pups. Thanks for your help![/quote] Where the tests certified by the OFA? What were the results on her parents and grandparents? Were her parents/grandparents AKC Champions? How many ROM's are in her pedigree? Did her parents/grandparents hunt and master the field trials? Are you prepared for the worst-case scenario, losing your bitch and having to bottle-feed and raise a whole litter, trust me on this I've already been there, it's impossible to do if you work, it takes 100% of your time 24/7 for 6 weeks. I'm not trying to make you feel bad it's just that I know what it takes to breed a bitch and it's hard work, there are so many things to consider, all of those questions should be answered for both the bitch and dog that are being considered to breed, and just because your around a bunch of hunting people does not mean that you will be able to sell to them, they usually stick to their own lines that have mastered the hunting club trials (I work with alot of serious hunters). A truly responsible breeder will have a waiting list with deposits on hand before the breeding takes place with a refund guarantee if it doesn't take or if the litter doesn't produce the traits they are looking for. :angel:

:lol: Shara, It's normal. A simple gentle no should take care of it at his age. Sally and Rocket still do this and they're 15 months old. All I do is tell them to quit and they quit. It's usually only while they have been doing some heavy duty wrestling. :angel:

:D That's actually a good thing he don't bark. My mother had a GSD that didn't bark but she would definately without one tiny bit of doubt protect the house and family. :angel:

:wink: I'm going with Home-Again microchip. Home-Again only reads there chip, but the others read everybody's chips. I would hate for my dog to be lost and the shelter couldn't read her chip because they used Home-Again. :angel:

:D :B-fly: :laola: :drinking: [size=7][color=indigo][b]I MADE IT TO DOGOMANIAC![/b][/color][/size] :angel:

:D Actually this particular dream has me a little worried. I actually have dreamed about things that have come true and the dog that she got with is a dog I would actually love to breed her to. :angel:

:D :D :lol: Dog won't bark, you should be so lucky. I have two that think it's necessary to talk to the children behind us while they are jumping on their trampoline and they also talk to their saint bernard friend who live next door, and of course there is always the last word contest between all three of my babydogs when I tell them to stop. :angel: