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shhhh... everyone will want one!!! :roll:

ok it IS working.... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: How can anyone keep dogs in those filthy surrounds and not even think about what they're doing??????? It is definitely bad enough for me!. If anyone I knew kept dogs like that I would give them seven shades of hell. I wish I could help somehow... K, we are going to have to call you the Avenging Angel soon! :angel:

I am thankful the video card on this crappy computer does not work otherwise I would watch that clip and cry my eyes out. Those poor dogs... sending positive thoughts to all 539 of them.. :( :angel:

Odds on you guys have seen or heard about this... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: 500 dogs taken from home in S.E. Oregon 01/25/03 RICHARD COCKLE ONTARIO -- Nearly 500 dogs -- many of them sick and malnourished -- were removed Thursday night from a rural home near the ranching town of Harper in southeastern Oregon. The number of barking, frightened dogs at the residence of Barbara and Robert Erickson of Harper "absolutely overwhelmed" officials, Malheur County Sheriff Andy Bentz said. "It was just horrible; the stench alone was unbelievable," Denise Mowder, Malheur County deputy district attorney, said of conditions in which the dogs were living. The Ericksons were charged Friday with more than 500 counts each of animal abuse, a misdemeanor, Mowder said. Conviction could bring a $10,000 fine and a year in jail on each count, she said. The case probably is among the largest of its kind in recent state history, said Lt. Randy Covey of the Oregon Humane Society law enforcement division in Portland. Barbara Erickson, 76, remained in the Malheur County Jail in Vale on Friday, pending arraignment Monday, Mowder said. Robert Erickson, 64, has medical problems and was released on his own recognizance. Authorities said the dogs were kept in the Ericksons' home, and in pens, an outbuilding and abandoned cars on the property. Some exhibited a "pack mentality," and five people were bitten, none seriously, while the dogs were being taken to the Second Chance Animal Shelter in Payette, Idaho, Mowder said. Robert Erickson was home when authorities executed a search warrant and removed the nearly 500 dogs Thursday night, Bentz said. Barbara Erickson was taken into custody Friday in Ontario while driving a van with 30 dogs and an animal corpse inside, the sheriff said. "I have never seen anything like this, ever," said April Long, 29, of Ontario, a shelter volunteer. "I held a few last night. They were pretty scared, shaken up. Plus they were pretty cold." The dogs were skinny and caked with mud and feces, and appeared not to have been fed for some time, Long said. Some seemed to be affectionate animals that would make good pets, she added. The shelter had expected 200 animals at the most and had to rent an additional building and appeal to the public for help, Mowder said. "There are people bringing in sacks of dog food," she said. The fate of the dogs will be decided by shelter workers, veterinarians, county health officials and the district attorney's office, Bentz said. "It is very important that people wanting to help in any way contact the Second Chance Animal Shelter in Payette," he said. That number is 208-642-2790. Mowder said most of the dogs are small- to medium-sized, and some are quite ill. It will take time to determine which are well enough and have the temperaments to be adopted, she said. The Ericksons have lived at the residence for about four years, and people in the area had made complaints about the conditions there for some time, Bentz said. Richard Cockle: 541-963-8890; [email]rcockle@ucinet.com[/email]

I hope it is just the heat for Ben. Today is a lot cooler, nothing like the 38C they were forecasting so hopefully it's cooler up your end too. Come on Ben, we are all sending positive thoughts to you! :angel: Mei-Mei- how are the pups? hope it is good news and not bad. :angel: As far as I know Guy is going well, not long now before he's active. :angel:

What a cutie!!!! Looks like some sort of spaniel mix to me....?

Is your boy neutered? If he isn't, neutering takes away a lot of the need for the male to mark his territory. There was a recent post on the ACD-L where a male Heeler was marking on the widescreen TV. :lol: Someone suggested strapping a sanitary pad to his pizzle so when he pees, it will be all yucky and wet and he won't do it again. Dunno if this would work though, there are probably better ways to solve the problem but the heat is frying my brain...

*sigh of relief* oh good... though I suppose if anything had gone slightly wrong we would have heard of it... He is so pretty. If I could have a Kelpie I would have him, or one with his markings. Sounds like he is related to BK too- oh look everyone, I'm so cute!!! Me me me!!! Look at ME!!! :roll:

[quote name='laduenda']My dogs are not going to be the ones that got out and ripped up some old ladies chihuahua as they will not get out I make sure of that hence all the regulations on chaining in my contract. I am very sure of what my dogs would do if they got loose they would go find the nearest dog and rip into them that is a given.They are Apbts you know. You don't knwo me how come you always thinkl my dogs will get loose. They wont that I am very sure of.[/quote] I am sorry but accidents [i]do[/i] happen. Dogs get out. The consquences are not always pretty and just because you are 100% sure your dogs cannot get out (well, they are chained up!) doesn't mean it's a certainty. I do not know any gamebred ABPTs because the breed is "banned" in my state and has been since 1991. (not that this stops them being advertised... :roll: ) What I do know about the APBT has been gleaned from this forum, from responsible and irresponsible owners alike. Sasha's example of having her dog under her control is a fine one and a credit to her commitment to responsible ownership of a "dangerous" breed of dog. I think it is abhorrent that you choose not to train your dogs and yet still breed more aggression into them. You know what my dog would do if he got out and saw a puppy in the front yard? He would be so excited to make a new friend he would probably lick it to death. And I am proud that he is friendly and sociable and not a fearful mess even though heelers can be dominant and dog-aggressive and very territorial. If you cannot or will not train, exercise, or socialise your dog, then you should not have one in the first place. No matter if you have 2 or 60, the same thing applies.

Hi Micheline, my personal opinion on invisible fences is that they do no good to a dog that is determined to get out of the yard. A dog like that will ignore the shock and escape. Also if your dog has a high prey drive he will most likely ignore the shock to give chase to whatever it is that's caught his eye. You said you live near a lot of traffic so the consequences of this may mean your dog losing his life to a passing car or truck. :( The other bad thing about these types of fences is that they do not stop other dogs and people getting into your yard and harassing, tormenting, or stealing your dog. I think with invisible fences you can also up the shock if it is not keeping your dog in, but this can scare the hell out of the dog as well and someone on this forum (cannot remember who) feels guilty to this day that she shocked her dog once and he's never forgotten it and will not go near the fence. So it can work, but at what cost...? Is there a possible way to fix the weak spot in your existing fence? My personal advice is to build a good solid tall (6ft) fence, with additional measures to be taken if he is a jumper or a digger. Expensive maybe, but so are invisible fences. :wink: Good luck and I hope some of this has been helpful!

Wonderful news, I am happy it has all turned out so well. :angel: Re: my post I made under "radiographs"- has the leg regained colour now the halo is off?? (maybe it is a silly question but to me there was a marked difference in the colour of his affected leg to his other legs.)

Poor Guy!!! :cry: I noticed in the photo of him with his cast on, his foot looks significantly paler than his other paws... is that because of the infection he had or just because there is not much blood going to the paw (though I suppose there must be some there otherwise it would be gangrenous)...? Will the paleness go away when his leg is better? I feel so sorry for him. He is such a handsome dog too.

So true... I see way more big, stereotypically "tough" dogs at obedience than little dogs. Grandad is very "old school" as in he will not neuter (which is half the problem) and doesn't believe they need training because they are so small. :roll: :roll: He's in his 80s and despite our best efforts nothing will be done to train up Tomson. He's never, ever growled at me and fawns over me every time I visit. I have witnessed him growling at my sister and at Grandad, for reasons unknown. (both of them are dog people and do not tease, play with his tail/ears, etc.) All I know is if BK (heeler X) or Rinny (GSD) tried any sort of human aggression (which neither of them ever have), they would be put in their place [i]very[/i] quickly.

[quote name='laduenda']Also not putting a leash on her was dumb like you said that is something I would never ever take a chance with. Also I never said that they could not be trained to be in control.[/quote] I imagine the reason you would never take a chance letting your dogs go out of the yard unleashed is because you choose not to train them and therefore you are unsure of what they WOULD do if they were unrestrained? :-? I am constantly maddened by the way a dog has to pay the price, often with its life, for its owner's lack of responsiblity. Sasha, I am impressed! :D

:o The story is cute... but everything else :x I am not even going to start on this owner... :roll:

How is Ben today??? :angel:

[quote name='Marble']maybe part of it is from the hollywood stereotype of vicious dobies ?[/quote] Yep, and also some people are just scared of big dogs! I would guess that there have been stories of people maimed or killed by Dobes/Dobe Xs over the years, probably exaggerated, and that coupled with the huge popularity Dobes had in the 80s and even today- who knows how many untrained, badly-bred, poorly socialised examples have been around to scare people? You see the same thing happening with Dalmatians and indeed any popular breed- if there's money to be made through breeding dogs there will always be people doing it, no matter what it does to the poor dog and its reputation.

Weim= Weimaraner. 8)

Oh yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I would've trusted my great uncle's dearly departed Dobermann not to bite me over my grandpa's dachshund. This is more because Tessa (Dobe) was trained and [b]completely[/b] under his control (Tessa adored my G/U and went so uncontrollably crazy with grief after he passed away she had to be pts), and Tomson (dach.) not trained, spoiled rotten and allowed to get away with everything (not with me though!). And to an extent, in my experience, some small dogs have Napoleon complexes. :roll:

Oh yes, you would! :P

This boy was lucky enough to escape the hellish existence of being used as a bait dog by dog fighters: [url]http://www.doberman911.org/cases/jake.html#intro[/url] :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

A link to a rescue albino Dobe (there are many pics): [url]http://www.doberman911.org/cases/emmapicturepage.html[/url] [img]http://www.doberman911.org/images/cases/emma/emma01.jpg[/img]

[url]http://www.greyhoundmanor.com/pat/compost/pooppat.html[/url] :lol:

This is slightly off topic... but... I have been to a few Chinese restaurants and one in particular I will never go to again, not only because the food wasn't great, but because they had their usual lobster tank (you know, where you can pick out the lobster you want to have for dinner :o ) and it was packed to the brim with cray. They were all piled on top of each other and could barely move. I was too upset to do much except run out of there and have a bit of a cry. :cry: :cry: Eat animals, sure, but house them humanely for chrissakes!!!!

[url]http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/03/01/27816872.shtml?Element_ID=27816872[/url] "Thank God you [the Smoakes] weren't black. They [the cops] would have shot you." I smell bacon... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: As if shooting the dog wasn't enough!