Hobbit

[quote name='sashagirl']Thank you Newfiemom!!! I agree. And I also think that by telling people to find a mate for their dog at a dog park is not helping either!!! :roll:[/quote] With you on this one.....(I posted to the other thread but the gremlins ate it, the post disappeared --- maybe it will find it's way back?) Geez, girls --- lets just all load up in the back of the pickup and go down to the Wal-mart store parking lot with a sign that says: [b][i][color=red]"need to breed to a **insert whatever breed you want** to have lots of puppies, no need to look at the pedigree because...I DON'T CARE". [/color][/i][/b]

[quote name='Bliss']ok thanx, but i don't think I would want to go that far though. One of the reasons why I wanted to breed her was because I thought if she spent time with her own children then she might get along with them and she can finally have a furry friend in her life. But the thing is, she may act like shes aggressive, but she's never bitten anyone or anything in her whole life before and all she really does is bark a lot and run away from other dogs. She hardly ever growls too. So, you say she might be aggressive towards her puppies, i'll take that into consideration. THankyou.[/quote] Dear Lord Bliss ---- are you just out and out asking for a scratch fight or are you just THAT inexperienced? No sugar coating from me: [b][i]"I wanted to breed her was because I thought if she spent time with her own children then she might get along with them and she can finally have a furry friend in her life". [/i][/b] This is the WORST reason EVER for wanting to breed. I'm going to stop here because I promised myself that I would hear the entire story before foaming at the mouth and biting........oh, hell forget that........this is why MANY, MANY puppies/dogs end up in the pound is because of irresponsible owners like yourself. "Go to the dog park?" Why don't you just sit on the Wal-mart parking lot with a sign that says ---- [color=red][b]"need something that looks like a *whatever breed you want* to breed with to have LOTS of puppies, no need for a look at the pedigree --- BECAUSE I DON'T CARE". [/b][/color] PLUS --- your dog isn't aggressive, she's a FEAR BITER from not being socialized. I agree with Roo, do the world of dogs a favor and spay her, then take her to some obedience classes and get her some socialization.

[quote name='eggrolyn1223']Everybody's pics are great, but most just aren't the right size..the only pic I've found in the pictures section of the forum that I could use is from Hobbit, [url]http://forum.dogomania.com/viewtopic.php?t=2352&start=0[/url] Can I use it?[/quote] Yes, you can use the picture. Thanks

[quote name='yellowlabsrule']WOW that is a BIG difference between the working vs. show!!! Question... do the working dog is Australia encounter poison snakes that often?? Just wondering.[/quote] I can't speak for Australia, but they encounter Copperheads, Rattlesnakes, Coral Snakes here in Texas. We are overran with Copperhead snakes! And sometimes the dogs get bit.

I agree with Horsefeathers and Carol. This is a shameless ploy to get someone to buy his book. Click on the link....it is a place where you can purchase the book. Just come right out and say that you want someone to buy your book instead of trying to hide it in a post.

Thanks for all the compliments. I pick her up tomorrow!! :D

[quote name='bk_blue']Just thought I would start a new discussion about the "blue" gene in some dogs (Bull Terriers, Kelpies, Dobes, Weims, Pits and I am sure there are more). It is a recessive gene which should not be bred from as it is associated with genetic defects in some breeds eg. deafness. (I really like the colour though in Dobes and Kelpies, and I am a sucker for all Weimaraners!) What I am wondering is why do some people believe it should command a higher price? Although it is rare and very pretty it's not really good in some breeds to have "blue" dogs. I know that a blue Weim is disqualified from showing and breeding. It is an accepted colour, however, in Dobes and Kelpies, but can these dogs be bred from? (Hobbit, where are you?!) I really don't know much about the blue gene but thought I would post it to have it explained in layman's terms how it all works :)[/quote] Blue, fawn, or creme is not hard to breed --- if someone knows something about genetics. A person does not have to have two blue, two fawn or two creme colored dogs to produce a blue, fawn, or creme. The parents must be carriers of the dilution to produce a diluted color. Example: black sire, black dam, heterozygous for blk & red & both carriers of a dilution gene >> the offspring will be black, red & blue (that order according to the amount of puppies; ex: 10 pups; 5 blk, 3 red and 2 blues). The blacks could be carriers of the blue dilution gene and then they could not. Another example: Black sire/black dam: both are carriers for the red gene, they are both heterozygous --- 50/50; 3 pups blk, 3 pups red. Speaking of the merle gene as in Aussies. The breeding of merle to merle does produce lethal genes in the offspring. The same coloration can be achieved by breeding solid to merle --- there will be merle pups in the litter (along with solids). If a merle to merle mating does occur, there is a possibility that a pup could be borned that wasn't a lethal and is healthy. He is considered a Double Merle and is homozygous. When bred to solid colored, he will always produce merles.

bk -- the ACD does not have a merle gene. The white coat in ACD's (as seen in the new-born pups) converts to blue or red under the modifying influence of the epistatic Ticking gene. The patches are either black or red depending on which Agouti allele the dog carries. The blue is a recessive dilution gene. It does not automatically mean that the dog will be unhealthy. Blue colored dogs can be bred without any health problems to the offspring, if bred selectively. I would not breed recessive to recessive.

Jacsmom: I can see the difference in field vs show, in the Labs. Wow, the Boxer's look different, like not even the same breed.

She was whelped in April 2000 (so, 1.5 years old). She is in good shape, physically. Mentally? She'll take some work, but everything will be fine. Kelpies range from 35 to 50lbs, some males can be as large as 70lbs (all muscle). Depending on the bloodline and nutrition. Height can range from 17 to 22 inches, again depending on bloodline. Most herding dog breeders/owners don't look at the "standard", because we are more interested in good solid genetics, excellent health, natural herding ability with strong desire to work. Height and weight aren't flaws in the herding pen/pasture. Hobbit will like her, just because she's a girl. Miss Kitty got to go on her walk yesterday and Hobbit decided he wanted to go this time. He is such a busy body! I imagine that she won't have any trouble adjusting to farm life and will fall right in with the rest of the Kelpies. I have never seen a Kelpie that wouldn't herd......something. I imagine her instinct will kick in rather quickly. Her duty can be to help check the fence line --- that takes about 3 hours to walk the entire place. That should tire her out, plus be an adventure!

[quote name='K']What sort of dog was Lassie then :-?[/quote] She was just a regular "Collie", but K....if you want to call her a Border Collie.......you caaaaaan. :fadein:

No Lassie dog, just a show bred Border Collie (AKC registered). He is a sweet boy, another lady owns him. The working Border Collie is ABCA (American Border Collie Association) registered. We used to own him. He is now working on a 7000 head sheep ranch in south Texas -- and is a very happy boy. He was a rescue. The man that was giving him up said, "I just can't beat him enough to make him stop herding my livestock". He got the dog as a "PET" for the family, because he thought he was *PRETTY*. YEP, my big soap box continues on that subject.

I may be divorced by Monday..... :lol: :lol: She seems to have a sense of humor, judging from the last photo. Hopefully, she'll take to herding. If not, she can just hang around and get hugged on. :wink:

Keller (she's the visually challenaged ACD) has to stand with one foot on top of my foot --- to make sure I don't leave without her knowing it. If I'm ignoring her, she'll stick her nose up my shorts leg and with her nose she'll shake my shorts. If I am just totally ignoring her, she'll stick her nose up my shorts leg and pinch the crap out of me! YOUCH .......

This lovely girl is a Flyball wash out and didn't want to see her passed around from home to home. So, I'm smacking myself on head wondering why I agreed to take her.....sucker, I guess. The person I'm getting her from is a very nice person, she does lots of rescue. This lovely girl will be here Saturday. She is a blue/tan Australian Kelpie. bk -- I posted the picture for you, since you like the blue/tan color~ :wink: [img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7b5fe9f3/bc/Mail+Attachments/Sissy_Ears_Backlit_copy.jpg?bcOA3.9A9INGjis6[/img][img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7b5fe9f3/bc/Mail+Attachments/Sissy_Trotting_copy.jpg?bcOA3.9AjvUZjXJr[/img] [img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7b5fe9f3/bc/Mail+Attachments/Sissy_Eyes_copy.jpg?bcOA3.9A4765e_kx[/img]

[quote name='eggrolyn1223'][b]OMG! kEEP THEM in cages all their life?????????Relive themselves in CAGES??? [/b][/quote] :-?

[color=red][b]WORKING BORDER COLLIE: [/b][/color] [img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7b5fe9f3/bc/Pets/Border+Collie/Wylie+with+eye+070502.jpg?bcOA3.9AAjIbo.5j[/img] [color=darkred][b]SHOW BORDER COLLIE:[/b][/color] [img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7b5fe9f3/bc/Mail+Attachments/Kim+Hastings/paddington.jpg?bcOA3.9A.wGvumNE[/img]

Jacsmom -- you are a saint. Thanks for the post. I could only beat my head against the wall and was just too tired to respond, because it would have come across as a [b][color=red]F L A M I N G [/color][/b]post. Just thinking about ALL my and other breeders' years of genetic study, applying that to producing better herding offspring than the parents, heartbreaking loss, protecting our breed from the greedy hands of AKC --- all to have it destroyed because someone wants a *conformation* dog......only a conformation dog --- like pulling hens teeth and beating my head against the wall is much easier than trying to explain why the herding community is so concerned (and protective). Thanks again for the post......

Be sure and post pictures of her too! :D

If you give her syrup or honey, and she snaps out of it....then she is hypoglycemic --- low blood sugar, caused by the anemia.

The thing that bothers me is the white gums. This indicates she is losing, or has lost blood -- is severly anemic. The first thing I thought about was an infestation of hook worms, causing her to be hypoglycemic. If she is hypoglycemic, then she will have seizures. Has she been checked for parasites?? Anemia? Hypoglycemic?

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[quote name='Horsefeathers!']Also, I am surprised that no one has asked WHY the original poster decided on a Sheltie. That's a pertinent question. Some people choose a dog for looks alone ("I want a Cocker Spaniel because they are soooooo beautiful!"). I was just wondering what it is about Shelties that Fernanda likes.[/quote] Her quote, [i]"I heard that they are really easy at training and very intelligent!"[/i]

[i]"Oh, my dog has been trained not to bark", [/i]how do you know the dog does not bark when you are not home? If the near neighbors aren't home, either --- how do you know? Just because the dog is perfect when you are around, does not mean he will be perfect when you are NOT around --- they are NOT machines, they do think.

Ummmm........actually, a motorcycle with my girlfriend...oopppss, sheep on the front!