courtnek

all he has to do is let her out and watch which part of the fence she goes to. I found Alex's escape spot that way. moron....

LOL@DO!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree with that. The wolf, throughout history, has been portrayed as an evil, vicious, non-trustworthy animal. Which they can be if you're a sheep herder,but its not because they're nasty. they need to eat. penned sheep are easy to catch. But little red riding hood, and the 3 little pigs, arent helping matters. I got to watch a real pack in action (there is a place in wisconsin where you can go and howl with the pack..the people are enclosed, the wolves are free). I didnt howl (and I dont think its a great idea anyway) but I did get to watch them interact with each other. There is such a "lovingness" about them. Discipline is always present, of course, but is mostly used to train the pups. thats where the alpha roll has its best affect.Get them disciplined while they're young. The other members all gave way to a tolerant and benevolant Alpha. (female in this case. dont know what happened to the male). The other females will develop milk if the alpha cannot for some reason, to feed her pups. They babysit for each other. (more reliable than my sister :lol: ) Its like watching a well fed, happhy family in action. The alpha would pick a pup and lick it. The other members deferred to her, and as long as they kept their place she would groom them and lick them, lay down with them. It was an incredible site to see. Down in the lower ranks there was some squabbling (I assume fighting for position) and I watched the Alpha walk up, snarl at both of them, show her teeth and stand there and stare. They backed down and shut up. Peace was restored. I found that rare, since usually the alpha lets them work it out, but the people at the site said these two were constantly squabbling. I guess she just got sick of it after a while... Kinda like a mom with two kids. My mom always punished all the kids equally if she didnt kniow for a fact who started the trouble. We learned to get along out of self preservation.... :o :o :lol: :lol: It was interesting to me to watch the squabblers. From the ruckus they raised, you'd think they were hell-bent on killing each other, but neither ever suffered a scratch. It was all show, and thats what people dont understand.

[quote]Now Courtnek, can you see my reasons why I am so against people using the term "Alpha" and amateurs trying to dominant their dogs with these methods [/quote] y'know Cassie you're right. I have been very "tunnel-visioned" about my terminology because I dont teach strangers. Every dominant dog I have trained (using Alpha as the term for Top Dog) has been someone I knew who asked for help. And with that help went basic pack training, from a benevolent Top Dog. (alpha roll is not included in that training, its too dangerous for the inexperienced) I have never pack trained advocating violence, or anger, or physical punishment, (except for the two-fingered snap to get a dogs attention, its non-painful, and not used as punishment, gets the dogs attention with a light two-fingered snap on the muzzle) but all the dogs I've trained have gotten to the point of taking over, and becoming just this side of dangerous. Being here, I have seen it from the "other side"...and I think maybe Alpha is not a good training term. Its used too often on wolf shows, and the damn media always display the Alpha in "primary scenes", where it has to show teeth, growl or down another wolf. The average person does not understand that this is all mostly "show", the outcome is rarely, if ever, really dangerous. A true Alpha wolf knows better than anyone, including us, how important it is to not endanger or injure other pack members. They cant survive without co-operation of the whole group. I understand now your viewpoint, which I didnt before. I apologize. (*rolls over on back and says she's sorry*) I guess its a drawback knowing too much about pack rules with people who dont.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My FOXHOUND was mis-identified as a Pit. True, the guy was drunk, but still....a dear friend has a PB Husky.....who neighbors think is a wolf, even though she has the husky blue eyes. Its just ridiculous and scary at the same time. NO ONE else around here has a foxhound. I get "looks" "comments" and nasty back stares all the time. Especially when she bays. Ive had people ask me if she is part wolf, because the bay to the unknowing sounds like a howl....She's about as "wolfish" (and dangerous) as a goldfish.... :o :o :o :o :o thank dog BSL has been shot down here repeatedly...

Ive never see him, but "calm assertiveness" is a valid training method. It goes along the lines of modified pack rules, like NILIF. YOU rule, as a benevolent Alpha. Most people confuse Alpha with punishment and pain, but in a real pack that rarely ever happens. Calmly teaching "my way or the highway" is a gentle but effective means to discipline a dog. You obey, you get rewarded. You dont, you wont. Lack of reward is more instructive than punishment. and faster, and safer for all involved.

My foxhound shows similar behavior. She was not shown, but field trialed (and top of the heap in the fields). Its taken her a long time to become a "house dog" and to be socially more adept with people. She also shows timidity in Petco and such. It just takes patience and repeated experiences. I didnt take her to Petco til she had bonded completely with me. She is still timid, but gets a little better every time.

people have sex with their animals too (VD got started from sex with sheep) but are usually less willing to admit it to anyone..... still......kinda weird. I wonder about the emotional stability of the woman...breast milk doesnt "go to waste", it is reabsorbed by the body if not being used......maybe she feels resentful that her baby wouldnt feed from her. Sometimes they dont. :o :o :o

correct me if I'm wrong, but arent Mals and Huskies the closest things to wolves, in the gene pool? THIS IS SOOO WRONG!!!@!! genetically, they arent wolves...these bastards want to say they are, beacuse "they look that way"....isnt this what prejudice is based on? PRE-JUDGEMENT of the facts??? :o :o :o :o :o

a properly apologetic dog (which is what laying on the back is all about. "I accept your correction. You are right, I apologize") will NOT look the alpha in the face, but rather avert the eyes and give up. if hes still staring at you, he hasnt accepted your correction, or your dominance.

my malamute used to howl at the "Empire" (carpet company) commercials. He couldnt stand them... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

sometime you have to paste the properties in another browser window to get the pictures to show up.

[img]http://dingo.care-mail.com/pictures/21/218/864/218647669.jpg[/img] there ya go!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree Malamum everyone. The Alpha roll is both dangerous and anti-productive. A truly submissive dog will roll over on its own when stared down by a superior. I have done the alpha roll on one of my dogs, who did have dominance issues, but never again. I started using a modified form of pack rules instead, NILIF falls into that category. Your dog doesnt sound dominant, and in fact is doing what dogs do when someone comes to the door. It is their job to warn you. Barking is normal. What I would do is choose a command the dog doesnt already know, like "settle" (I use CHILL) Put your dog on a short two foot leash, have someone come to the door and knock or ring the bell. Issue your command and at the same time make him sit. Then stand on the leash. If he tries to get up, make him sit again, again issuing the command. To silence mine I would put them in a sit, and when I said CHILL I would put two fingers across the bridge of their noses. They learned that was the silence gesture. Then and only then would I open the door, still standing on the leash. They couldnt get up, and they were commanded to silence. It takes some time, but it helps if you get a friend to work with you on this. Have your friend bring a treat, and reward him for sitting and being silent. There is nothing more gratifying for company, and disturbing for a stranger, then seeing a well behave dog sitting at your side when you open the door. The guests are pleased, the stranger worries about how well the dog is trained. You should let him bark for a bit at first, though. He is doing his job after all.

I feed Purina One Lamb and Rice to both of mine and they're very healthy and stable. Maybe if its the same I'll check out the Maxximum stuff at WalMart.

she has a justifiable suit and I would sue. If she can prove its a bulldog and not a Pit, she should sue. Is it a purebred? does she have breeder papers as well?

I agree with Carol. chloe is showing the new pup its place in your pack. It probably will never lead to real problems, as long as pup understands his place. hersuggestion is a good one for easing any tension.

can I hurt these people? please? that poor dog....starved. lonely, probably unloved since the son left.... He picked the right yard to land in at least. Poor thing....do whatever you can, including reporting them for abuse, to make sure they CANT get him back!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[quote name='pwrpufgirlz']That's it, it is time to ban that dangerous breed: MEN!![/quote] I can visualize this guy in jail.... "what're ya in for?" "I bit a cop and a dog"...."BIT a cop and a dog?" "yea, tore the dogs ear off..." he'd get the crap beaten outta him....and well deserved too. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wish I lived by water. My lab loves it.she'll sit in a kiddy pool all day if i let her

my lab is a digger. I resolved it by putting large concrete blocks in front of the fence, slightly buried. they would have to literally dig under the blocks to get under the fence. also, a mound of black pepper sprinkled in the digging spots will make them sneeze ferociously without hurting them. You can use that to make the digging spot less desirable.

ROFL!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I feel bad for the poor cop and dog....but that's too funny. There was a guy here in Chicago who stole a K9 unit (It SAYS K9 on the door moron) and got bitten repeatedly by the dog, causing him to crash into a building. Some people are too stupid for words... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would suggest a lab/golden mix that took the short hair of the breed. The only issues owuld be allergies, but theres OTC allergy medication you can take, and eventually most people get used to the allergen when exposed to it for a while.

face near the belly bothers him obviously. He might think he's going to get bitten. But he needs to learn that hubby wont hurt him and to obey. Free doesnt like her head top petted, and while she shrinks away she allows it because she has to. Hubby needs to do someobedience training with Buddy. :)

maybe the collars are bothering the wrinkles too...maybe try a harness? Most of the pressure is on the back and not the neck....