Crystal

:lol: Canis erectus, great post and thanks. Oh love the color test by the way. :lol: Thanks everyone for your 2 cents. Toby is really geared towards red. So maybe, who knows. I'd ask him, but he'd just bark at me. I guess it is possible that different dogs see differently.

I know I've heard that they are, but I've also heard different. I only ask because we have a swing set and it is all green except for the baby swing which is red. Toby loves it and he pushes it, even with no baby in it. He likes it alot. I didn't know if against all the green outside it just stands out or what. So now I am wondering if dogs see color, I've read things that contridict one another. Does anyone know?

Poor little pooh bear. Sounds like he is having a rough go of his new life with you, but in the end all will be well. Hope he gets to feeling better. The cone will only be a temporary fashion statement. Good Luck hope he recovers quickly.

Sounds like a great idea. Hope you can find someone and they can help. Some dogs were born to bark. Toby only barks when he sees us or the neighbors dog. I've meet some dogs that never bark. You got a loud mouth I guess. Good Luck

due to recent things I am sure my opinion is not going to matter to anyone, but hey why not. I don't think DAL is out for pity. I think this is a hard time for her and she was looking for some friends to confide in. I wasn't here when the other things went on so I don't know. I went back and read the Zoey thing. Sounds like the dog is Justins and I understand the hard time DAL was having with her. She didn't give up though. She may have said she wasn't her dog, but I am sure in despite of that she has some good feelings for the dog. If she didn't she would have outed her a long time ago. DAL may not have a bond with this dog, but that doesn't mean she doesn't care for her. Even with what she said in the past about wanting rid of her doesn't mean she doesn't care. Even with a stubborn dog feelings are developed. It has been a while since then and I am sure she cares more for Zoey now than she did at first. I really feel bad for DAL as she is going through a tough time. It can't be easy to decide to end a marriage. Nor would it be easy to stay there and wait for Justin to come back. She wants a clean break and I understand that. I think she has made the best arrangements for Zoey possible. She will be with people she knows and that will care for her. I'm glad DAL had such a great option. Divorce is nasty and I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with it. I've seen some friends go through it and usually no one comes out without battle wounds. However everyone sees things differently. No one knows DAL's situation but her, so I will not be quick to judge. I will be here for support if she needs a friend in her tough time, regardless of if I agree with everything she does or not. I am just sorry that life can't be perfect and that we must go through hard times. I think this will make DAL stronger as a person and I think she will go on to be happy and do great things. Even if you have been in a similar situation you haven't been in DAL's shoes exactly, so please try not to be to harsh. It won't do anyone any good to cause her any more pain than she is already dealing with. (even though she is the one deciding to leave it still is painful I am sure) DAL, I'm here for ya. That may not be much in some peoples eyes, but it is what I have to offer. Good Luck with the new life and I'm sure things will be fine in the long run.

I'm a really sorry as to causing everyone so much trouble. I had a really bad week last week. On top of having an ear ache Toby was being big pain last week. He was refusing to listen to me and acting like he was the boss. I felt like he hated me. I've always tried my best with him sometimes my best is not good enough, but I'm no expert I'm still learning. I have apologized for my mistakes in the past with McKenzie. I don't see why I have to apologize so many times but I have. My life was bad then. Things were falling apart. I had lost practically everything and my world was falling apart. I lost a baby and the strain on my marriage was tough enough without my husband losing his job. Then we lost the house we lived in and so on. Things feel apart. At that moment I didn't put enough attention into things. McKenzie was however my comfort. I could sit and cry with her all cuddled up to me. She always made me feel better. I would sit and talk to her about my problems. I mean honestly talk to her. I was never one to speak up for myself much and I let the people I was around walk all over me. I was weak and I did as I was told. I should have had McKenzie fixed or atleast have put her inside when she was in heat and kept the other dogs away. I didn't do anything on purpose, I was irresponsible. I know that. Ok now that I explained the worst time in my life I will move on. It was not an excuse, there is not one but maybe that will help people understand a little. If I never bond with Toby he is ours. He lives here and is part of our family. We spent alot of time together this weekend. (that is when I wasn't in the ER for my horrible ear infection) He helped me plant my flower seeds, so cute by the way. He ran around with the kids and my husband even played with him. I was explaining him to my hubby and trying to tell him about NILIF. He often gives in to Toby and gives him what he wants without making him earn it. I think it is better for Toby to see we are in charge. By the way I learned all about NILIF here and it was excellent advice. I'm sorry for anything I said that may have hurt anyone, I don't think I did but if I did I am sorry. I'm sorry this is all twisted and made me out to look horrible to some people. I had great respect for alot of people on here, but I never knew such a grudge was held against me. No one ever exspressed such awful feelings back when I had McKenzie. She and Toby are total opposites and I have realized that and I know he may never love me like she did. He loves in his own unique way and I understand that. As to any inconsistances there may have been I was rushing to defend myself in times and may have typed things incorrectly, again I apologize. I felt personally attacked and I jumped and rambeled off as fast as possible. I hope everyone can get past the harsh feelings they have towards me. I have learned alot here and I am sure if we can get past this I can learn more. I just want to say regardless of what was said and such I have no hard feelings towards anyone at all. I don't hold grudges at all. In my mind it is all resolved and I hope we can be friendly again. However if you feel my being here will only cause problems let me know. I respect everyones feelings.

:o That is just the most horrible thing I have ever heard. Sick people

There is a difference if loving someone or animal and falling in love. Just tell me, is this the way it is going to be from now on? Will I now be treated this way and totally disrespected as a person? If so I will leave and allow you guys your peacful world back. Be honest with me, I have been with you.

[color=red]Please before you read this, do not take any atttitude with it. Maybe you are reading my posts in a way I don't mean them. This is from my heart and I mean it seriously and honestly. So don't make it hostile, Please.[/color]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Look guys, I am not planning to get rid of Toby. I know the biting now is puppy teething and play. I just said if I can't train it out of him I am concerned it may turn into a problem later and he may bite someone. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe play bitting now won't led to bitting later, but you could have explained that to me instead of going off. Look, I had McKenzie for nearly 2 years. I loved that dog with all my heart and soul. Due to circumstances I could not control we ended up in a bad situation. It was either live on the streets or with the inlaws. Yes I hated that she had to be outside. I am sorry she had the pups. I had no where to put her to get her away when she went into heat. By the time I had it figured out it was to late, she was already pregnant. Ok, hold it against me if you wish. I did the best I could after that. Those puppies were raised very well and loved kids. They are in good homes. McKenzie is in a terrific home now. I didn't want to get rid of her. I couldn't tie her up at my inlaws again. They didn't care about her. I was forced to move from the house I lived in. I couldn't find a place that I could have her. I would have paid an extra deposit for her and everything, but that just doesn't happen here often. So I had no choice. I had to rehome her. I was very sad, but she was smiling the whole time. Happy and trusting like always. She is in a great place now and I know it is best for her. I would love to have her back, but she loves her new famliy. I have tried everything with Toby that you guys have suggested. Honestly we've done it and still are. I guess he is just stubborn. I know it takes a while. This topic was just about the lack of bond I had with him. I watched yesterday as my daughter walked up to pet Toby, he rolled over and let her rub his belly. He rubbed his nose on her cheek. He is very gentle with her. Yes he play bites some, but he is even easier with her. So as I sat there watching I figured it out, Toby is her dog. Toby loves that little girl. That is fine by me, I was just trying to figure him out. I thought maybe he as just the type that prefered to be to him self. That would have been fine too. I wouldn't have ditched him just for the way he is. I wouldn't turn my back on him for being himself. Believe it or not I love Toby. I know alot of dogs connect better with one person in the family. McKenzie was my dog, buy Toby is my daughters dog. Now that I know that I can see alot of things in him I didn't notice before. So really, I am sorry that you all felt the need to attack me. I didn't feel like that bad of a person and I still don't. You treated me like I was the only person to ever do something stupid. I'm not, I make mistakes and I admit that openly. I never said I was perfect and I never meant anything I said as holier than thou. I am not that way. You can believe me or you can sit and make you remarks about me. Whatever you decide. Honestly I am not a bad person and I am a big animal lover. I don't know why this turned so hostile. Hopefully it will not be anymore. If it is however I don't feel the need to stay around. I like it here and I have meet lots of people who I like quite well. I have learned alot being here before and being here now. I also know people are not perfect and things get blown out of preportion sometimes. I am hoping that is what happened here. I really hope that everyone here does not hate me. I didn't do anything to deserve that. I am only human. ~Crystal

great story.

Well act holier than thou if you want to. I honestly never meant anything that way.

The advice here is ok, but I have been told by members I will not name that there are better places to recieve training advice.

One thing you are wrong about. Those pups were not raised in a shed. Yes she had them there and they spent a few days there. We moved to the new house before they ever opened there eyes and they were raised in the house. I do know where they are by the way. One of them, is in a big rig with his owners and goes everywhere with them. 2 of them are on a farm. The others all have good homes and live indoors. And K, you have never had an accident or made a mistake. You've never yelled at a dog or starteled one by over reacting? Maybe they have never been loose, but I was just stating mistakes and accidents that happen to people.

Jess as a matter of fact I have applied everything I have been told to do here. I have asked about crate training, play bitting, and some other things. I have tried them all. Believe it or not. Maybe Toby is just one of the stubborn ones like PYR says.

sounds rough. Sorry, but i can't offer any advice here. Tough situation.

[quote name='Michele']Crystal: just wondering how responsible you are as a dog owner...please don't get upset.....but you asked me and I'm answering you. If I am wrong, then fine.....[/quote] Oh Michele, I am not upset. but I promise I am responsible. Yes I had an accidental breeding. I admitted it and said it was wrong. Like no one here has ever had something happen. I mean people have accidents, dogs get loose on occasion, people in there shock have yelled at or popped there dogs. I mean mistakes and I had one, I am sorry and I can't change it. Pyr, thanks for thinking I deserve a second chance. I had a dog and was planning to breed her. I had an accidental dog pregnancy and I feel bad about that. I even rehomed my dog as oppose to having to place her with my inlaws again. So I am a bad person I guess. See if I ask for any more advice here. Sometimes the advice here isn't even that great. I've been told of other places where the training advice is better. So don't act like you know it all about dogs and treat me this way. I came for help, not persecution.

Wondering what Michele?

He never told me my dog wasn't good for breeding. Now he is claiming his dog is some purebred on another forum. He never claimed tht to me. To me his dog was a bullboxer. I can't remember what he is calling him now. I was the one who didn't go through with the breeding.

I'm fine. My breathing is normal and my heart rate is not up. I don't let things get to me. It is however nice to know how people feel about me. For now I feel people must be talking about me without my knowing. It is nice to know the truth.

I don't even remember his name, glad you do. Yes a jerk, a guy who claimed one thing and really made me believe it. He was bad and now you can't find him doing what he used to do and all of the sudden his dog is considered a different breed. Man, act like you've never made a mistake before. Like you've never trusted someone and found out you were wrong.

Wow, it's nice to know all these We's feel this way. Great. Thanks PYR for the support. I'm glad. yes I was at one time considering breeding McKenzie. Not to the dog it happened with. I was roped in by a jerk that made we believe something great about a bullboxer breed. I was in that case wrong and I have admitted that. Her first heat was earlier than I was told to suspect it so I didn't catch it in time. Sorry for that, but I can't go back and undo that. Due to circumstances out of my control we were forced to live with the in laws, therefore I had to follow there rules as to the dog being outside. When I was able to move and bring her inside I did so. Life happens and you must take it as it comes. Due to the fact that so many of you feel so horribly towards me I don't konw if I can take any advice here seriously. I am not planning to dump and dog and continually get news one in hopes for the best. Dogs are like humans in the aspect that no one is perfect. Frankly I am hurt to find out you feel this way. I was simply hoping for help for my situation. Nevermind I can't get that here. PYR and others who have helped thanks alot. To those of you that feel so awful about me, I am sorry you feel that way. You do not know me at all.

Yay, glad to hear that. Take a big deep breath and recover. Good Luck with recovery.

not bred on purpose. Complete accident. I knew alot less about dogs than I do now and her first heat snuck up on us. Then yes she was rehomed, I had no other choice and had exhausted all my options. Well not really, I could have placed her at my inlaws house tied up out back behind the shed where she would have had no interaction until I could go by late in the evenings. I did what was best for her. Now I am in a better situation, but I have Toby and I am devoted to making him part of my family.

I was counting dogs I had when I was little. One got hit by a car. One my parents gave away against my will. 2 were my min-pins, one died, the other lives with my parents. McKenzie was another one. ETC. I know 2 or 3 months isn't long, but I thought there should be some sort of bond forming. And I've had a pit mix before and they are just so much more fit to my personality than any dog I've ever meet.

Michele, it's ok. I don't think I could get rid of him anways. I do love him, even though he is stubborn and rotten. Gonna keep trying.