Hobbit

[quote name='Gordonmom']I learned that mother dogs eat their puppies poop because dogs in the wild they want to get rid of any evidence that there are puppies in the area in case there is a predetor around. Also, eating poop is a way of recyling any nutrients that may be left in the poop, as dogs have short digestive tracts. That is supposedly why dogs eat their own poop. There are two ways views of dog training, waiting until your dog does bad and punishing him and setting him up to to good and praising him. The two views of poop cleaning represent this. Any attention whether negative or positive is accepted by a dog.That is why people that beat their dogs,( :x )still have dogs that come to them. And since dogs don't yell at each other as a form of punishment yelling is just confusing as they don't know why you are doing it. True dog punishment is being banished from the pack, like being tied up outside ( :cry: ) and ignored. Dogs do not assign value to things. They have no way of knowing that you spent $500,000 for that carpet. All's they know is that they felt bad when they had to poop, they pooped and now they feel good. And they know that you seem to be drawn to their poop. Now some people say, "My dogs knows he's been bad when he poops in the house--he cringes!" No, he knows you get psycho when you see poop, but he has no idea WHY you go ballistic. He also knows if his response to the situation is to cringe, you seem to calm down. So you still have a dog that poops in the house, but now you also have a dog that cringes. and if you called him to you before you went ballistic, now you also have a dog that won't come when called. Where, if you had ignored the poop in the house, but loved :roll: the poop outside, that is where he would go to try and please you and get your attention.[/quote] Exactly, in the wild the poop is cleaned up to keep preditors from finding the pups, the den, the living area. It's really a self sufficient order, if you think about it. They also will move the den and the entire pack when fleas get out of hand and the den area gets too "messy". For the life of me, I don't understand why a person will stand there and yell at their dog. They yell at their children and other people in the same fashion. And it does confuse the dog as well as people. If there is an accident in our house (it's rare), it's like -- oh well, no big deal. About 97% of the time if was the humans fault for the poop to be there in first place. All of our dogs/puppies are taught the difference between "outside" and "inside". I do pick up the poop in their presence and the entire time I'm talking to him saying, "poopy outside" and then I take the poop outside, all the while he is following behind me --- I place the poop in the designated poop area, still saying "poop outside" with an emphasis on outside (and he's thinking....well, yeah if you hadn't been so late coming home I would have pooped OUTSIDE! :wink: ) This works for us, it works for our breed of dog (known for their intelligence, reasoning and free thinking). This may not work for any other breed, any other specific dog, or any other....anything. Every dog is different in it's thinking and what works for one, will not work for another. This is a very good and useful tip. Thanks for taking the time (everyone) to post. Now, remember..... :wink: everyone has their own opinion, so think before you :roll: and slam me!! :wink: :P

Koolie, Indian Runner Ducks are good. You want to either get them as ducklings and raise them very tame, or buy adults that have been handled. Because you don't want them frantically running in all directions (which normally, they won't because they do flock well). Any duck will do, as long as it doesn't fly frantically around. The main thing you want to do is always let the youngster win, while showing him some basic commands. Do you train in a round pen? and then graduate to a larger area? I've heard pros and cons about this, it's all in how your dog acts and his maturity level. PS/still working on the other stuff for you--just been busy, I'll get it to you soon, promise.

[quote name='Aroura']Why do people always insist "it doesnt hurt the dog"? Ear cropping, stripping, plucking poodles ear hairs.... OF COURSE IT HURTS!!! What, just because they don't say 'ouch' they don't feel the pain? On another note, mouse, getting a dog spayed after its first season is a BAD IDEA! Waiting for the b**** to go into season once increases the likelyhood of ovarian cancer by 40%!!!!! Each time the b**** is in season after that it increases more and more.[/quote] There are still alot of vets that will not spay a bitch until AFTER her first heat cycle.

Hey being devils advocate....just giving you something else to kick around! :wink: :wink: I have to go outside and play now.......I'm being ordered!! :lol: :lol:

eeeooooowwww, slobber........... where is that puking emoticon!?

The normal pet JRT isn't stripped, just the show dogs. My friend swears it doesn't hurt, but the first time I saw her do it --- the dog was some kinda uncomfortable. The next time, she picked up the stripping comb, she took off and hid. If it was just dead hair....wouldn't the same be accomplished with brushing? or maybe using a rubber mit?

Okay, try not to throw squeaky toys at me too hard..... I have another theory: When a pup is small up until it's about 3 to 4 wks old, mother dog "picks" up the poop; the pup sees this; she is dominant because she is "taking" away the poop. I have a female that will "pickup" her pups poop until the day they die, if I'd let her (yeah, they're 2 years old and she is still picking it up) and she is still dominant (not the only reason, but a good theory).

This is a pretty good website, very informative: [url]http://www.rescueeverydog.org/jack_breed.html[/url] [url]http://www.geocities.com/maria_mbe/official_standard.htm[/url]

[quote name='K'][quote name='Hobbit'][quote name='dottiemo']My jack russell terrier puppy is almost 6 months old. Is that to young to get her stripped?[/quote] Stripping is the removal of coat hairs. [/quote] And why would you want to do this?[/quote] It's a show dog thing. It is said to improve the coat texture and help it lay correctly. Same thing as pulling the mane of a horse (which I refuse to do and stopped showing western pleasure horses because of it). Wrap a comb around a few strands of your hair and give it a yank. Now, does it hurt ----- HE!! YEAH, IT HURTS! Like having your hair yanked out during a bar fight. :o Websites: [url]http://www.terrier.com/advice/grooming.php3[/url] [url]http://medonnabp.tripod.com/s5.htm[/url]

She said it just depended a lot on the hair coat and genetics. I know she has some that aren't stripped until they are quite a bit older. Personally, when I was little and mom would be mad.....brushing of even short hair was a stripping!! :o I used to beg for flat tops!!

[quote name='dottiemo']My jack russell terrier puppy is almost 6 months old. Is that to young to get her stripped?[/quote] Stripping is the removal of coat hairs. I spoke with a friend/breeder and she said to let a professional groomer take a look at her first before you strip her. Sometimes, depending on the individual dog, this could be too early, or just right.

[quote name='Gordonmom'] JUST KIDDING!!! I agree, though. The AKC says it is not doing that, but in my opinion, with all this striving for a perfect "show coat" and "perfect" body parts, it could be generations before any breeder even know they bred out the dogs natural working ability. Just try taking a dog that has been out in the field and had it's hair ripped out by the underbruch into a show ring! I think the Europeans have it right. A champion should also have to prove his ability to still do the job he was breed to do AND be sound of mind before he can be a champion.[/quote] [color=red][i][b]"Border Collie's were breed to Herd?? I thought they were bred to play fly-ball??"[/b][/i][/color] :o You left out frizbee! Show breeders are breeding for one thing -- a specific "LOOK".

[quote name='Carolk9s'] Not totally true, not ALL Border people embraced AKC recognition. The MAJORITY of folks who raised WORKING Border Collies wanted nothing to do with the AKC. Their dogs were bred to work not just to look a certain way and conform to a rigid standard. These folks fought against AKC recognition, the battle got bitter at times as it pitted Border breeders against other Border breeders. The working dog folks fear that AKC recognition and standards will ruin the working dog. Time will tell on that one.[/quote] Carol you are so right! We have working Border Collies that are registered with the ABCA, and they never will be registered with the AKC. The ABCA (American Border Collie Assoc) chose not to join the crusade to enter into the dark side with the AKC. I have heard this more than once from some of the ABCA registered Border Collie people; they changed over to the AKC because they can sell their puppies for lots more money! The show people are rapidly breeding all of the natural herding ability out of the Border Collie and they are taking on a different look than the working Border Collie. Soon, they will be like the AKC registered Australian Shepherd --- no desire to work and all they can do is just look pretty. Then there will be two separate breeds like the "Bench/Show" Kelpies and the working Kelpies. Two totally different dogs ---- The AKC show people may be able to get more for their puppies, just because of the AKC papers, but that doesn't mean the pups are quality. Herding trials are starting to pay lots more (uppers to $10,000) for the top winning herding dogs. I think that would be an incentive to stay with what the dogs were bred to do.....HERD LIVESTOCK.

[quote name='starcastle']You seem to forget something important. AKC only matters in USA. And the world is whole lot bigger place than just USA and outside USA AKC does not mean squat. Sorry, but that is the truth. Kennel clubs and what breeds they recognise or not, is entirely on national levels. What is a recognised breed in one country is considered a mutt in another. There is no such thing as a universal concept of what is a recognised breed. Not even inside FCI the same breeds are recognised everywhere. And many countries associated with FCI recognises breeds that are not recognised by FCI. And certainly not by AKC since there is not one single dog from those breeds within USA. The "recognition" is actually not such a big deal, it is a pretty local phenomenon. Something people always seem to forget as they go on in their own little duckpond believing it to be the center of the world.[/quote] Thank you, Starcastle.

[quote name='Carolk9s']Well I do want to feed my pack a decent food, I also want it to be affordable and available locally. I also would like to be able to feed both of the older dogs the same food, having 3 dogs I do not want to have 3 different types of food to juggle. I do not want to do BARF, I do not want the food to have to be shipped to me and I'd like to keep in the range of no more than a dollar a pound. Heck I think they already eat better than I do anyway. A local belgian breeder has been feeding Wayne Dog Food for decades, many of her dogs hold multiple titles in varied fields, her dogs have huge amounts of energy and they live well into their mid teens which is pretty good for belgians. Her Midas was just shy of his 16th birthday when he died. Wayne's second ingredient listed is ground yellow corn. It can be very confusing, our old mutt we had has kids lived to be 15 and he was fed plain old Purina Dog Chow.[/quote] The main concern with corn is the Vomitoxins (Aflatoxins) that can develope on the corn during humid/wet weather. This is a pretty good website: [url]http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=79[/url] This is one is good also, it talks about 25 dogs that died from dog food tainted with Aflatoxin: [url]http://agnews.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/VETM/Nov0498a.htm[/url] [url]http://www.husky-petlove.com/dogfood2.html[/url] [url]http://stormkloud.com/API/body_api.html[/url] [url]http://www.isco.purdue.edu/mycotoxins.htm[/url] [url]http://www.fila.org/peak/dirtydogs.htm[/url]

A cheap and easy toy (because it will get destroyed) is a plastic pop bottle with a light weight cotton rope attached. We use this to test for prey drive. The rope is about 100 foot long (bought at Walmart) and I throw the pop bottle as far as I can and then pull it back to me or take off running and drag the thing. Dear Lord, they love it. HOURS of entertainment. OR, you can tie it to an "O" ring on a "zip line" where it barely touches the ground ---- the dog will push it back and forth for hours. The only draw back is that if you use a plastic bottle, you have to supervise them and make sure they don't eat it!

:o <<<< in reference to you PM -- :wink: I am guessing that he considers the ball is his and he is possessive of it until the time that HE wants YOU to have it. You are holding out your hand and asking for it and he really isn't ready for you to have it. Have you tried --- when he is almost to you to give him the sit command? Then ask for the ball at a lower level (maybe he thinks he can't reach you). If he tries to rise up to meet you, give him the sit command again. Don't let him rise to meet your hand. Our Border Collies are not ball dogs, at all. I throw the ball, they herd it until it stops, then circle it with extreme "eye", but will not pick it up or bring it back. The male BC will play by himself all day --- he tosses the ball in the air and catches it, rolls it, throws it (by hisself) --- as did his father. One of the Heelers LOVES to catch stuff, but won't bring it back, he just likes to catch, he catches and spits it out and waits for another one. The other heeler, once you throw it....it's hers! She used to have a really good, "release", but has decided in her old age that she'd rather walk around with it in her mouth than to chase it down.

I feed "Diamond", Lamb and Rice.

Deep it also depends on what type of work the dog is needed for. Like: is the dog for K-9/protection, Narcotics, or Tracking. Mostly, you will not see a Lab being used for K-9/protection because their temperment is too kind. K-9 (protection): Rotty, Dobe, GSD, Malinois, (the Belgian breeds). Narcotics: Malinois, Lab, Golden Retrievers, GSD, Rotty's, (I've seen some mixes also used). Tracking: Bloodhounds, Lab's This is for the Texas area.

[quote name='Gordonmom'] New breeds have to start somewhere, and if they aren't regitered by the mighty AKC, well then it will be their loss. I seem to recall that if you can trace a dogs lineage back so many generations you can apply for AKC registration. I can't remember how many.[/quote] Speaking of the AKC: The Kelpie Registry and people that own working Kelpies chose to NOT allow the AKC to get their hands on the Kelpie and make it a recognized breed. Mainly because we (Kelpie owners) and the Registry did not want the AKC show people getting a hold of our working Kelpies for "show" purpose. A registry doesn't have to be "THE AKC" to register a dog breed --- WAIT before you blast me......hear me out. As long as the registry is striving for the betterment of the breed and is ETHICAL and not like Continential Kennel Club and some others ---- which will register ANYTHING as long as you send in the money, they don't care, they just want the money. Where is it written in stone or is law that EVERY dog MUST be registered with the AKC to be worthy of being called a "breed" or worth something? Who made AKC the GOD of registries? It started as a gentleman's dog registry for the rich and wealthy ---- personally, they are still a bunch of snobs. I know....I know.....it's ALWAYS been that way and it will ALWAYS be that way forever. Personally, take like the Bullboxer people---if they want to keep records on the dogs, be strict about the dogs they register --- yeah, then start a BULLBOXER registry, and to heck with the AKC. When enough people have registered their dogs, have shows, do something educational----but be ETHICAL.

Hey Abusser, I see you survived the tropical storm :wink: . Yeah, wait until you open cereal and it has maggots in it --- now that will make you think twice about eating in the dark!! :D Dust mites.... pesky little critters!

[quote name='Jacsmom'] Hobbit, would the local police dept. not handle the local animal cruelty cases?? If the neglect is bad enough it would be considered cruelty!?!? :-?[/quote] Jacsmom: the local authorities should handle the animal cruelty case, but will they? Some departments just don't have the resources, time, care to, or knowledge to handle cases as such.

[quote name='Hobbit']Contact the UNITED STATE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE - ANIMAL AND PLANT HEALTH INSPECTION SERVICE (APHIS), they are in charge of inspecting and licensing puppy mills. Stay after the USDA/APHIS to do thier job! Here is the website: [url]http://www.aphis.usda.gov/[/url] There is also listed the location where you need to call or email your complaint.[/quote] AGAIN --- contact the USDA/APHIS in conjuction with the local authorities, local Newspaper and TV news station.

Starcastle: your information is informative and seems that it is well welcomed and appreciated by the [b]members[/b] of this board. Thank you for taking the time to post the information.

Contact the UNITED STATE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE - ANIMAL AND PLANT HEALTH INSPECTION SERVICE (APHIS), they are in charge of inspecting and licensing puppy mills. Stay after the USDA/APHIS to do thier job! Here is the website: [url]http://www.aphis.usda.gov/[/url] There is also listed the location where you need to call or email your complaint.