Hobbit

Well I just couldn't help myself --- I sent them an email inquiring about their Australian Cattle Dogs --- CKC registered, of course. I asked if the pups came from working parents. She said, "yes". I then asked if I could see the parents work livestock to see their style. She said that "they didn't put on shows". Welllll, I let her have it then. She said if I wanted to see them I could go to the "ranch" and see them work. I asked for directions....hum....NO response.

Something that I've been preaching, bitching, grouching, begging, pleading about for YEARS, is to NOT EVER, NEVER, give a herding bred dog ANYTHING containing ANYTHING from the "ectin" family. Ivom[b]ectin[/b] ...... moxid[b]ectin[/b] SAME family, just off a molecule. I am not blaming this guy, I totally BLAME the veterinarian for not being educated or taking the time to BE educated about the fatalies that "ectin" can cause to herding bred dogs. There is a study in the AVMA about the sensitivity in Australian Shepherds.

Marble --- POST your picture, pleeeese.

[quote name='Mei-Mei']Deep, About the Mastino (one of my favorite breeds) most of them are gentle as pie but excellent dog guards. They also provide a strong visual deterrent which is very helpful in keeping the baddies away from your door. Who in their right mind would approach a Mastino and his owner with violent intent? :o[/quote] A person with a gun......a loaded gun......with the intentions of doing bodily harm.

To visit a puppy mill in Texas, go to the listed web address. Unfortunately, they are within the "law" and nothing can be done, they are and will continue to operate. They say they've had over 100,000 visits in one year. At least it looks clean in the pictures. Feel free to email them and express your opinions --- :wink: [url]http://www.cndpets.org/[/url]

[quote name='K']But I don't see how apples will keep them at bay....spiders go where they like.....we have crabapples here if thats any help??? :lol:[/quote] My granny called them crabapples, because little spiders that looked like crabs would be just solid on them :o maybe they attract spiders instead of repelling them!! :lol: :lol:

In Texas they are known as Bois d'Arc trees. The thorns are hugh and can be used as spears to kill small animals ---- JUST KIDDING. The thorns are pretty large, though. They are very nice shade trees, long lived and pretty resistant to insects. BUT, TICKS LOVE this kind of tree. We used to have lots of them in the pasture and we'd have to spray them for ticks EVERY year! They are pretty, the females have the babies (the apples) and it's a mess when they start falling. Our dogs didn't really bother them, but we kept them from it. The livestock didn't try to eat them, because they were well fed even in the winter. I've always heard, from the old folks, they were toxic. But reading the literature at the website provided, research is showing they aren't....hum. Gigi....spiders, huh? Our old farm house is inundated with brown recluse spiders! We just used an insect bomb with an IGR --- and we um....still have spiders at the old house!

Aaaaawwwww....hee hee.....HORSE APPLES! Not really meant for horses, tho! Now, I know what you are talking about.

What are hedge apples? Being from a different state, we may call them something different.

Being micro-chipped is a good idea ---- BUT, what if bk escapes and runs amuck and whomever finds the dog thinks that since he has no collar on that he is a dumped dog and decides to keep him? [color=red][size=2]Okay bk, stop dancing around.....they WILL bring him back after the first day!! hahahaha JUST JOKING!! [/size][/color] OR what if the animal shelter does not have the chip reader?

[quote name='Carolk9s']Are some heartworm disease preventatives available without a prescription? I use Heartgard, I either have to get from a vet after the dogs have had their yearly test or get a prescription to send in. I have been getting it via the internet for a couple of years since I can save so much money. I get my dogs tested at the vets, she writes a prescription for me and I can fax it in to the company I'm buying from. I have heard some concerns on my belgian list tho about the safety of buying online. Is the product up to date, is it stored and shipped properly etc. I haven't had any problems at all but it's something to consider. With multiple dogs, the difference in total cost is substantial but I do not want to toy with their health to save some bucks. Here in VA my dogs stay on Heartgard year round. I also get Frontline online, again the savings are fairly substantial.[/quote] [color=blue]Carolk9-- that is fortunate that your vet will write you a prescription, MANY will not or will charge extra -- up to $50.00 extra for that prescription! [/color]

[quote name='eddix7@hotmail.com']does anyone know of a cure for heart worm outside of the cost prohibitive vet treatment. Mothers part chow is in early stage and vet wants 350.00 she does not have that kind of money thanks[/quote] [color=indigo]I know this is quite a bit after the post but: Treatment for heartworms is difficult on the dog and prevention is easy. If your dog tests positive for heartworms and you decide to treat it, here is what will happen: Your vet will want to take a blood sample to begin with to check the dog's liver function. The treatment that kills the adult worms uses a drug called [b]Caparsalate[/b]. This drug is given twice a day for 2 days while the dog is in the hospital. The dog must be kept quiet (caged) for 4 weeks after the adult worms have been killed. It takes 7 to 17 days from the time of treatment for the adult worms to die. Within this time, dead worms will fragment and travel to the dog's lungs. If dead worms are numerous, some of the blood vessels to the lungs will become blocked, and this is inevitable. However, if the dog is kept quiet and only allowed to move around enough to go outside, the blockage of pulmonary vessels may remain subclinical. If the dog is allowed to run around, the heart rate increases and many dead worm fragments will travel to the lungs at the same time. This is what you want to avoid. About 4 weeks after Caparsalate has been given, the dog will be given a high dose of ivermectin to kill the remaining microfilaria that are circulating. Although this is a high dose of ivermectin, it is below the lowest dose known to cause mild, self-limiting toxic side effects in Collies. Obviously, after being treated, dogs should be kept on heartworm preventative! Caparsalate contains Arsenic. Arsenic, being a heavy metal and also toxic to humans is why the treatment must be conducted at the vet clinic by a licensed veterinarian.[/color]

[quote name='GizmoRedNosePit']I've never heard of daily tablets, I have monthly tablets. I asked my vet about the shot every six months and he did not recommened it. It sits in this area on their body and basically decaes (sp?). It is not a good idea to have that done personaly....but daily tablets....hmmm check out about the monthly tablets...lot easier![/quote] [b][color=indigo]"Filarbits" is a daily tablet. It contraindicts itself if the Filaria are already in the bloodstream. [/color][/b]

Micheline: Does Chin Chin like to go for walks? Does she like to go outside to play? If so, she may be peeing on the floor in an effort to be taken outside. She has figured out that if she pees outside --- you bring her in and since she wants to be outside or play outside, then she's using the restroom in the house in an effort to be taken out. Just a thought, dogs are not as dumb as some people think they are. Then on the other hand....some are just not the brightest star in the sky. If you are using a carpet cleaner machine (that uses hot water) --- you may be doing more to set the stain and smell because hot water will do this and the smell will come back with a vengenance. If the smell is in the pad (underneath) the carpet --- there is NO way to get the smell out except pull up the carpet, take the old pad out and put new in its place. She can still smell the spot where she peed, that is why she's still peeing there. Just curious and you dont' have to answer this ..... but her not wanting to go to the back yard: think of anything unpleasant that may have occured in the backyard. Did you ever take her to the backyard to use the restroom and since she was taking so long, you became impatient, yelled at her, scolded her, jerked her, or anything else that may have made her think that being in the backyard was unpleasant? In another post, which was very long, I gave some ideas on getting a pup used to the backyard. Have you tried this?

Marble, I would very much like to see a photo because Australian Cattle Dogs have this type ticking that you are referring too, if I'm understanding you correctly. They also have a white tip on their tail, as does the Border Collie. Some Border Collies exhibit ticking coloration, also.

[quote name='K']Just to clarify Hobbit I meant [u][i]I [/i][/u]did'nt think to warn you about not letting your dogs hear...I had headphones...... :([/quote] Hey, no clarification needed --- I knew what you meant... :wink:

Hum....bandwidth limit --- I guess lots of folks were trying to view at once or maybe they were updating the website. Stiff it is well worth your time to view it since you have a Pitt. No, they aren't friends. In fact, I have never met them, but a good friend had/has some of the bloodlines and knows these folks. He said they are very informatitive and nice when it comes to "talking" dogs. I appreciated the layout, quality of the pictures and volume of information. It looks like someone put some time into the website -- for the LOVE of the dog.

I know better than that.....just wasn't thinking. I am still hugging and appologizing! Animals KNOW evil! And that was evil. A person can not tell me that a dog doesn't know what's going on --- THEY know, they feel, they are sad, they are afraid, they are begging for their life (howling, barking, whining). Dogs think, they reason, they calculate situations, they love, hate and are forgiving. For a person to abuse an animal or treat it with so much disrespect is criminal, it is the lowest form of cruelty. There is a special place in the bowels of hell for people who abuse animals, children and old people. Ever been on the kill floor of a livestock slaughter plant? I have...and I will NEVER do that again as long as I live.

OMG -- not thinking ---- some of my dogs were in the house asleep, I was going to listen to the audio clip. It finished loading and started to play -- DEAR LORD AN IMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM MY DOGS. They started frantically running around the house, some were growling, some were howl-barking ---- they were visably shaken by this! :cry:

Hey, I like that look --- it looks more masculine! :wink:

If anyone is interested in Old Family Red/Red Nose Pitbulls, here is a good website with some very nice pictures. [url]http://members.tripod.com/~redrangerkennel/index.html[/url]

Rowie that was a sad poem, but so very true. Yes, K -- I did sign it too.

Shave him first, maybe you can save a few dollars! :P For our Anatolians, they weighed 80lbs at the time, it was $80.00 each. So, hum, sounds like it was a dollar per pound!!

Do other places (England, Uk, NL...etc) have places like "Animal Birth Clinics"? There are some here in Texas that do nothing but spay and neuter. It's bring'em in by 8am, out by 5pm. I've never taken anything to one of these places, but some are ran by reputable vets and the cost is reasonable, very reasonable.

[quote name='roo']Most Vets in the UK like a b**** to have had a season BEFORE it is spayed and then half way between the next. Each country has different opinions and rules on things. Prior to reading about spaying on this site, i would not have had a b**** spayed untill before her first season. Roo Ps... i think it would be almost impossible to find a vet in the UK who would spay a puppy before its first season,,, but,,, i will see what i can find out. Roo[/quote] Yeah Roo that is mostly how it is here in Texas. There are some vets that will spay/neuter before 8 wks. Okay, imagine a person having a hysterectomy or being casterated at the age of 6 months old. Puppies and small children are almost the same, still babies. My thinking is all with Roo. Again, we don't have small dogs and our working dogs are athletes and we may have a female that is so athletic that she is 3 yrs old and still has not cycled. She is healthy, just no body fat --- all muscle. Our dogs normally have their first heat cycle around 11 to 12 months old.