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thats the thing Mei, I dont think I believe that "breed fighter thing" I've read alot more sites (now) that say they were breed guardians rather than dog killers, but maybe thats all the same thing :-? anyway yeah I watched that trial on court TV almost everyday. I was outraged that the purchase population jumped so much, people are sick!

I'm a dog lover guest, I love all dogs and love rare animals, I like to be looked at, asked questions and the like. I try to increase my awarness level of all breeds that interest me. This particualr breed (Presa/Dogo) has a quite unique "look" one that at I have not seen matched by your "more popular dogs." Dont worry Guest, I've much experience with exotic animals and almost a lifetime spent with large and huge dogs. I'm quite at home with gargantuan animals (grizzly bear story) and feel they are the only way to go. To answer your question, I want a "rare" breed because I dont want a popular one, exclude my boxer he's perfect. For instance I've done much looking into the Neopolatin mastiff, and had been planning on being a proud owner until I read more in depth about his inability to run at full speed, so now I'm stuck deciding if I could provide the right home for one right now. as it looks right now I can't. So I will wait for my old age to set in until I to can not run :-?. Dont worry the presa is not looking like my perfect match either but I still like to look. Guest, I will spend years looking at a breed until I even consider the purchase of any animal be it dog, exotic cat or reptile. So please give me some credit as I have givin you. I'm not an impulse buyer, I simply like this forum and what it has to say, but I do not consider it "gospal" I like info and when I get it "here" I cross check it "there" you dont need to worry about me I've got it under control. We need to worry about the guy posting in the Akita thread, :) if not for guys like me who would owner the huge and rare dogs? militants and cocaine farmers! (just saw collateral damage with Arnold, movie sucked but its got me on the cocaine farmer thing)

WOW that is a good one I can imagine it now..... I had a run in with a sea lion the size of a large truck once, he had been playin with the guys on the job for acouple days and on the last one, he would get real close and grab our fins, just playing. that went on all day well when I went to shore to get out (this was on SCUBA) he followed me. I stood there water line right below my chin and he just stood there looking right back at me. he was like....oh 4 feet from the tip of my nose, and the he blows the water with his nose kinda big and huffy like. He did it a couple times and when he would do it each time he would look at me like he was expecting a response. So I took my reg and purged it at him,......BAD IDEA I must have said something wrong cuz he got all weird and ran off. So I turn around and head back for the beach just as I look behind me here he comes FULL speed like he's gonna run me down like a bull. then stops RIGHT in front of my face, I felt like a little kid lost and in the wrong neighborhood. needless to say I scuddled out of there as fast as I could to the safety of land. whew!

I hated that day, the vet put a leash on her and to my knowledge it was the first time in her whole life she had one on. and she was fightn and pulling the best she could. I was only 13 and she had been with me since birth. it was a BIG deal

it's the coolest work I've ever done, completely undescribeable sometimes. other times its quite depressing oil spills and other human caused catastrophy

I've heard of a place here where you go in and get the injection and then you walk your dog through a little 5 acre garden with ponds and dirt paths there are benches everywhere and when he lays down to sleep the last thing he sees is you and him in the garden sounds pretty good compared to what my childhood dog whent through, I could just feel that she knew exactly what me and my dad were doing, and she gave me this look, :cry: that I still cant shake, freakin chokes me up man :cry: but I'll see her again :D

wow I saw the letter N in your location and figured you were from Nevada didn't notice the L :lol: funny you mention the willy movies some of the divers I work with built most of the sets for those movies, and interesting to note most of the up close shots in the movie were a robot aptly named willy he was designed and built on an island here in washington called bainbridge. I knew the builder but cant remember his name right now. I did a job in haines Alaska with a guy who was the real whales' "keeper" diver not trainer, I'm not real sure what he was "keeping" but whatever. kako I think was the whale, I read about him today in the paper I guess he's more in your neck of the woods now, but I hear he's not doing to well :( have a nice breakfast :lol: it's 1 in the morn here

does anyone have one, seen one.......do we REALLY know if they exist? or is it all a ploy.......hmmm

hey this reminds me did you all see CUJO, WHAT were they thinking, using a saint bernard as an evil man eater, sheesh :roll: K where are you from? just saw the tea time and all

just wondering how old are you? and yes those people do many things that would deserve them the fire and brimstone, unfortunatly the gasing of dogs is the least of my worries from that part of the world right now. but your point is still valid and they are hideous creatures only deserving of the most agonizing tormented deaths

I have 2 to but when do I get 3? hope its after 100 K.....here I come :lol:

hammer I'm not gonna freak out like I would if you were a guest, but as an Akita owner you NEED to know the inherited aggresiveness of your dog. The way your post read it seemed like a golden retreiver was of comparable danger level as an Akita. Now you didn't out right say it but one could easily have walked away under that impression. Hammer, the golden retreiver is arguably the most popular dog in America that means, considering akitas are not even on the list, there is most likely over 5 times the goldens in this contry than Akitas. So of course there is more bites, its a regular probability case. besides your deceptive attempt at statistics you have only acheived a false impression by your last post. A false impression that does YOUR breed absolutly no good. I know dogs aren't BAD by nature and if thats how you interpreted it I'll try to clear it up. Akitas are a very able attack/gaurd/war breed and are pros at what they do just like dobbies, pits and rotts. The only reason these dogs represented here aren't frothing man eaters are that their owners have succesfully overid that specific instinct, by training, affection, etc. I assume you have done the same for your dog. In the case of the Akita your right, a stranger [b]cant[/b] read the face like a short haired pitbull or dobie. And might not know that the dog is being aggitated. So a person possibly like Lee (our topic author) sees a cute husky looking pup and a picture of an adult with fluffy hair and a curled tail and thinks golden retreiver, husk.... must be an easy going good dog. Ok do you see my concern here? Maybe this person's only experience with dogs WAS a golden or a lab. The akita eventually grows up with OUT the proper training then the dog bites and you KNOW that Akitas bite if not properly trained. I'm not prejudice against this breed however it is my firm belief that an untrained Akita will look to instinct when in question (just like pits) and that dogs insticnt is, [b]attack now ask questions later[/b]. there is NO SUCH THING AS A BAD DOG just BAD OWNERS. and I'm pretty sure EVERYONE here sticks to it. especially in regaurds to the Akita so for the record [b]no[/b] they are not bad dogs but if you dont do it right from begining to end, they will emerge killers and it would have just saved you time and trouble to kill the poor dog at the start and save him the lack of good life okay

you made me think of this it was kinda funny in a "no sh*t what were you thinking kinda way I once saw a news show about a police dog assigned to live at an elementry school to sniff out drugs and guns that could get hidden in the woods of the school. at the end of the show the reporter gave his closing line and bent down to pet the dog. As he was coming down the dog lurched forward and bit the reporter from forehead to chin. The reason, the dog was trained that if at anytime someone went to choke him he was to respond and defend himself. The reporter unknowingly put both hands on the dogs throat. oops glad it wasnt a kid trying to pet the doggie

but hey the dog that turned me on to boxers "Otto" was around 130 pounds I was a 400 meter sprinter and held 3 district records and 1 state, I used to run with dogs for training and try to tire them out. It was great conditioning for me, cuz dogs really dont run out of steem. But Otto could run twice as fast as me for a mile and not break a sweat and he was FAST to this day I've never met a dog faster or fitter

okay here's how it is here, (at least for me) :wink: If [b]ANY[/b] animal dog, horse, whatever is harrassing my dog, snakes, family, whatever it gets shot, unless I can break it up with my hands, fists or a stick. If the conflict is beyond my ability as a 225 pound man who is in very good physical condition to resolve with a large 2-5 pound stick, something or someone is gonna die anyway and I'm gonna choose (with my shotgun) the instagater. you know what made me the sickest [quote]The potbellied pig was badly maimed and had to be destroyed, she said. "We tried to shoot her with a .22 but we couldn't kill her," Bowling said. She had to call a neighbor with a more powerful gun to do the job. [/quote] I dont know how everyone's gun knowledge is but in case you dont know a .22 is a large BB gun not fit to kill a squirl at 30 yards. To give you an idea on pig hide, an exparament was done by some private invetigators on the assassanation of lincolin, where a pig was shot in the back of the skull by an exact replica of the gun used to kill Abe, the pig gave a wheeee! and ran off. Later to discover the shot did not break the skin! my point is this pig sat in agony for god knows how long, until his owner and family came up to him lying in his own blood and shot him in the head, the shot didn't work so he waited till the neighbor could finish the job...How [b] :evil: FU*KING SICK IS THAT!! :evil: [/b]that sets me on fire, that an owner of livestock doesnt own a shotgun or something to protect his animals with and for that matter his/her .22 would not have stopped the dog attack either!! this story is pathetic in many ways :evil:

thats interesting because I'm also on a quest to find everything I can on the American Bulldog. As you said I come to the same thing as with the Presa just not quite as extreme. from the sound of your post you didn't sound sure on the reasons suurrounding the spur in addoptions, purely out of curiosity I wonder if it may be something wrong with the breeder, since you seemed to think they mostly came from the one guy. But on the other hand I do know how people get with new puppies. :roll: I also know how ANY dog gets in a home without proper training. thank you guest, I enjoyed your view and apprectiate the lack of negativity and sarcasam. If all our guests were like you this would be a better board

do any of you own or know this kind of dog? I noticed that popularity of the breed jumped dramatically after the "california killer dog" trial. I'll admit it peaked my interest of the breed as well, more from a science perspective than a need for a killer dog. I think it is absolutly pathetic the statistics I read about the "jump" after the trial. I found 2 very contradictory webpages about this dog a breeder page that flaunted a fighting history and instinct in this dog and gloated its ability to kill anything within 200 pounds of it. Then I clicked his gallery link to take a look his "stock" and to my dissmay I saw at least dozen pictures of a number of differant guys who looked like they were right out of some ghetto pride "kill everyone I see" rap video trying to look tough with their huge fighting dogs. The other site was a very well put together ( :roll: like that means much these days) rescue page. it had much more info and said in the breed history that the dogs were fought very briefly in europe when they were shipped back from the canary islands for that purpose. but that the breed should not be considered a "fighting" breed and rather is very confident and should not fight or strike out unless given good reason. but that they are guardians by nature (something about farm and livestock guards) so what do you guys know? the more I read the more I like them (except when I hear they are rabid beast killers)

actually gigi you might be suprised I know a boxer that is SUPER small and have met a couple of really small "runts" I think "faith" is 15-20lbs and she is 2 years old, really good health but also really small!

ok guys I'm gonna talk alot if you are for real I'm a SAR and survival FANATIC I've been training in as many areas as I can think of and absolutly love the rush but here it seems everything is governed by the fire dept. I've known a couple of guys in differant groups but all they really do is body recovery and while that is a valid service its not what I want to specialize in ya know? so where should I go and what should I say? I think the problem thus far is that I'm only 19 and most everyone else is in their 30s but I'm in excellant condition and have been trained in almost every aspect of diving at the nations top school I've also got survivalist training in parts of Alaska. I really think I would be great for the job I almost joined the FD on my 18th birthday but they didn't want a "kid" anyone you could hook me up with would be great and if not just tell me some stories, then I'll get all hyped and bust through the FD's door and not leave till I'm on the squad!

well said guest I agree with you comFREAKINpletely

well its good that you know then, could you give us a website of your friends rescue or email or something. I would like to complete my research on the breed, what ever you can tell me would be helpful (if we could stick to the facts and not get intangled in our conflicting opinions :wink: )

I need to know what kind of dog you have to credit you. I really dont care what you have to say no matter how profound it is if you own a jack russel. However if you own say, a bullmastif I'm going to be very interested and maybe I will put up with your painfully flambouant social retardation, and no it's [b]not[/b] a [b]bad[/b] thing. Some of us communicate with with words, others use farts, burps and numerous other vulgarities. It just so happens my best friend is like you, Guest, in this way and it very rarely offends me to hear people excreet in this fashion. It is a very valid question, what kind of dog you have, and I am quite amazed you do not see why. because as I see it now, you have no dog only a quick typing hand to enable you to obtain half ass knowledge around our already half ass internet. So please for my sake and the others who really do want to hear what you have to say, validate yourself and make me feel foolish about doubting your profound wisdom. by the way all our genius' are [b]all [/b] socialy "challenged"

yeah I'll tell you to, I lived with one, those dogs scare me like no other. I watched my friends akita [b]KILL[/b] other dogs (twice) walking by the house and she (the dog) was acting completely normal before and after. Those dogs are bred killers I've known 2 other akitas that have [b]KILLED[/b] dogs for what seems like no reason. I dont mean to say this for shock value the "friends" I speak of wrote the victims owners BIG checks to keep there mouth shut about the attacks. those akitas are on borrowed time one of these days they will be caught and my buddies are gonna be ears deep in guano! I am very wary of these dogs I [b]do [/b]completely agree with proper training and exp these dogs can be great pets. but all the owners I mentioned before thought they were able and ready to handle the dog and were proven wrong with the quickness! and guys dont jump on me for this opinion I really do think they can be good dogs....I've just never seen one, and out side of here, never heard of one either

my mom flies alot and when she takes her dogs with her she would make a mixture of 1 part honey 2 parts water and freeze it in the dogs water bowl. This has some kind of sleeping effect on the dogs when they lick the ice, it also allows them to drink while in flight. I tried it with my husky quite awhile back and it worked great, he was much more normal when the flight was over

hey we're not that bad....I can vouch, I am one 8) [u]oh yeah[/u] give him a beer order a pizza and watch a good [i]romantic[/i] movie like........[b]lethal weapon[/b]. those movies really get me going good get the latest one where Mel gets on all fours and starts playing with the rott :lol: oh thats good! or.......[b]SNATCH [/b]holy cow thats what you should do watch snatch, then you get to see brad pitt and he gets to laugh his arse off (no subtitles though they ruin it) geez I'm gonna go watch a movie! and eat pizza :D see I feel better already thanx gigi