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We don't have a canoe, but in summer we take Goo and sometimes Annie out fishing in one of the little boats (one is an 8' sailboat without a keel, so it's similar to a canoe in stability :lol: ). Goo usually just lays down or sits and watches, and I try to keep her in the center of the boat. Depending on how far out we go, sometimes Goo wears a life jacket (simply because I don't think I could keep both her and me out of the water if we tipped), and sometimes she doesn't. If the area you're canoeing/swimming in has any areas of fast moving water or if it's cold, it's definitely a good idea to put a life jacket on him. You might want to consider it too, if he doesn't swim a lot, since they can get tired pretty quick. Goo is usually pretty good in the boat (last summer there was a big snapping turtle out by where we fish, and she would watch him the whole time, barking and whining if he got too close), but I doubt she'd jump overboard, since she doesn't like the water much. We have to watch Annie carefully though, because she'll jump over after anything that moves (fishing lines, dogs, fish, and probably the big turtle :o ) if she gets the chance.

[quote name='Labsrule']I found this on that site about that poor dog and it's not his fault. READ THIS: I've been getting alot of emails asking about Damage's feet, some of them nasty. Damage was born bold legged and pigeon toed. It is a birth defect most likely from how tightly he is bred. >>>>>>>>>>> You can keep on choosing to bash my dog and his feet and yes it may hurt but he is a GOOD, GAME, A.P.B.T. I myself am breeding for gameness above all else, looks are not as important. I thought that was how we were suppose to breed these dogs. People are so worried about his feet but have yet to ask what has he bred or what has he accomplished or how does he act hhmm???? :lol:[/quote] I suppose it's not his fault if when he breeds the dog and produces more dogs with the same birth defect, either? After all, if the dog "goes for anything he puts in front of it", then who cares that it has such a structural deformity that it will likely be crippled later in life? The dog's structure is a major fault, and one that greatly decreases a dog's strength/stamina... not something people need to be breeding for. The fact that the dog's owner paid $1200 for that dog is a complete give-away to his ignorance. Of course, he'll breed it several times, sell the pups to more ignorant people, and they can deal with the heartbreak down the road when their pups' health fails.

[quote]i would keep the sire away from the mother and pups. pits are not the best dog lovers in the world and if a fight breaks out you might find yourself with 10 dead dogs. which would be a shame to lose all that money.[/quote] Even worse, imagine if some of them [i]lived[/i], but needed [i]vet care[/i] :o . That's even more money down the drain :roll: [/quote]

[quote name='Poofy']Inbreeding nothing, more like just BAD breeding[/quote] I just thought his excuse was amusing, never actually believed it. There are thousands of tightly linebred pit bulls out there, and I've never seen one that looked like that before, so it's obvious that that wasn't the sole reason for the dog's problem. I also was a little disturbed that the owner thought that just because the dog "went after anything he put in front of it, it was "game"... aggression has nothing to do with gameness, and the owner looks amazingly foolish by making claims like that.

[quote name='HARLEY & GEORGIAS MOMMA']ON THE 7 OF JANUARY MY FEMALE PITTBULL GEORGIA GAVE BIRTH TO 8 BEAUTIFUL PUREBRED PUPPIES :D THIS IS HER FIRST LITTER AND THE FIRST TIME IVE EVER BEEN AROUND NEW BORN PUPPIES ANY TIPS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR HER AND I. OH WILL SHE EVER STOP BEING AGGRESSIVE TO THE FATHER WHEN HE WANTS TO SEE THE BABYS[/quote] Uh huh... and I'm sure that being a "pittbull", she's registered, or that you can at least trace back to some other purebred, registered dogs, right? "Pittbulls" aren't even a breed, so unless you were just calling her that to save your fingers, there's no guarantee that she really is "purebred". Not that it matters anyway, since she probably shouldn't have been bred even if she was purebred, unless of course she's at least OFA good on hips(dogs have to be at least two yrs old for this), free of allergies and skin problems, and had her eyes CERF'ed (eye problems are becoming more and more common in "pit bull" breeds, and should be taken seriously). Also, since "pit bull" breeds are supposed to be working dogs, what titles has she earned in performance events like weight pull, hog hunting, Schutzhund, or even agility or obedience? How about conformation? Is she put together well enough to be able to handle the job pit bulls were originally bred for? Or is she just another poorly bred dog pumping out pups for her owner's benefit? It also would have been wise for you to do some research on the breed before you got a dog... pit bulls are known for being dog aggressive, so she very well may NEVER stop being aggressive to the father of the pups, and there's a chance that she'll become aggressive to even her pups once they're older. Dogs aren't humans and they really don't care much about being a "happy little family". The dog could just be trying to protect the pups, but chances are good that now that she's started to show dog aggression, it will never "disappear". How old is she?

Since you feed BARF, you can just take some of her normal diet (at least the meat and veggies), cut them up and put them in there, add water or broth, then freeze it. Make sure to clog up the small hole at the top with peanut butter though, or it'll leak out before it freezes :wink:

Look at this poor dog... [url]http://www.geocities.com/wiseguyskennel/studs.html[/url] Someone on another board emailed him about the dog, and the owner said it's a birth defect because he's "linebred", and that he's going to [i]breed[/i] the dog because he's got a lot of champions in his pedigree. He also paid $1200 for the dog :o and thinks that the dog "is everything you could want out of a game american pit bull terrier". Here's the link to the board I got it from, if anyone wants to see what else he had to say... [url]http://pub89.ezboard.com/fdogcommunityfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=2189.topic&start=1&stop=20[/url]

[quote name='Poofy']So you want to limit this to DOG on DOG agression?[/quote] Right. No other "issues" taken into consideration, just dog/dog aggression :D

Many non-dog owners (and actually quite a few dog owners) think that all dog aggressive dogs should be PTS because they pose too much of a danger to people/other dogs. I know that different people will tolerate different behaviors/levels of behaviors in their's and other peoples' dogs, so I'm just trying to "broaden my horizons" a little, and get a better idea from a "normal" dog owner's point of view.... Is it acceptable for someone to own a dog aggressive animal, provided they can do so responsibly (ie: dog on leash when in public, enough obedience to get by, etc)? If you were doing rescue, and you ended up fostering a dog aggressive dog (no other issues), would you place the dog (responsibly), send him to a different rescue, or have him PTS? Would you own a dog aggressive dog (assuming your living situation permitted it)? If one of your dogs became dog aggressive, to what lengths would you go to "correct" it, or rid them of the behavior? [b]Edit:[/b] Forgot this one: How much dog aggression will you allow/tolerate in your dog (ie: one who "wants" to fight if challenged, one who "wants" to fight if another dog gets in "their" space, one who "wants" to fight as soon as they see another dog, etc; also/or: one who will calm down when told to, one who is so "fight crazy" they'll do anything to get to another dog, etc)? [b]Notice we are only talking about [i]dog[/i] aggression here, not human aggression. [/b]

[quote name='K']Dont A&E Collars do a wide nylon collar with a "fuzzy" inside for this purpose?..I know what you mean about the hair loss Storm has it too but she only ever wears a collar on our runs ...[/quote] I just did a few searches for A&E collars, but didn't find anything (the one link I found said "site doesn't exist anymore" or something along those lines). So far, I like this collar: [url]http://www.jjdog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=jj&Category_Code=3CATLeatherFieldCollarsLEAFC[/url] and this leash: [url]http://www.jjdog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=jj&Category_Code=3CATHarnessLeatherLeashesHARLL[/url], and have heard from several people that they are sturdy, but I'm still not sure :roll: .

From the pic you linked to in your post, he looks like he [i]could[/i] be a purebred pit bull. Although most are under 70 lbs, there are quite a few that are larger (people breeding only for size, etc). Since he's a rescue, you'll never really know for sure, but I'd say he's probably not a Dogo Argentino. He could [i]possibly[/i] be an American Bulldog mix, but seems a little too pit bull-ish :lol: He is really cute though :lol:

I've always used a nylon leash & collar on Goo, but I noticed that when she had some trouble with her allergies in fall, the collar rubbed most of the fur on the underside of her neck off. I don't like leaving her without a collar on, because there's not much else to grab onto in an emergency, so I'm wondering if leather wouldn't be better for her fur/skin (it's (well, was :roll: ) very fine and thin on the underside of her neck). I've also heard though that leather isn't as strong/won't hold up as well as nylon, so I'm not sure which would be better. And I'm wondering the same about the strength of leather vs. nylon leads.

The dog has to have an extremely stable temperment, and be thoroughly well trained (not that Ben doesn't/isn't :wink: ). I've heard that at the tests, they sometimes really put a lot of pressure on the dogs to make sure they can handle anything that might come up... they have to be "accepting" of all the strange equipment (crutches,wheelchairs, machines, etc), be able to have loud noises/fast movement around them (what if a person falls a few feet away, or they accidentally knock something down beside the dog and it makes a loud noise... will the dog dart across the bed, knocking things over as they go?), and be very tolerant of people who may not know how to or be able to handle a dog the way dogs are normally handled (ie: they may talk a little loud or "strangely", or "pet" a little too hard, etc). Another place to check out for temperment assessment (a little more in depth than the CGC, although I don't know if therapy groups take it into consideration) is the American Temperment Test Society ([url]atts.org[/url]). I hope this has helped a little, and good luck to you and Ben :wink:

[quote=ROTT'N'PIT]I am thinkking of getting into Pulling with my Rottie and my APBT when he gets older. I am curious where to find a good Harness though. When di you start and how difficult is the training.[/quote] I got my dog's harness from [url]Nordkyn.com[/url], but there are other places you can find them (both online and in stores). Your APBT should be fully grown (joints closed) before you start him pulling heavy weights, usually at least a year old. If you plan on doing heavy duty pulling (competition, etc), then you should have them checked over by a good vet before you start into the serious pulling. The training isn't very difficult, but it does take time to keep a dog in good shape, and one not in good shape will likely injure itself if you let it pull too much before it's ready. To get started, first get them used to wearing the harness itself, then you can hook an empty soda bottle to the harness and let them get used to something behind them, then when they're comfortable with that, you can add some rocks into the bottle for noise. Once the dog is comfortable with that, you can start adding a little weight. I just filled the soda bottle with water and let her pull that at first. Don't hurry to add weight, instead have them pull the light weight over longer and longer distances (however long you feel like doing). When they can pull the light weight for the distance you want (lets say a mile), then you can add a little more weight, like 5-10 lbs. Repeat the above process withthe distances until they're completely used to pulling that weight, then you can add a little more. Keep adding weight slowly until you reach the point where your dog understands the concept, and is starting to get in shape for pulling. Then you can start doing shorter, heavier pulls one day of the week, long, with a rest day afterwards, and long, light pulls the rest of the week. Start with one short pull of heavy weight, then you can work up to 3-5 on the day you have the dog pull heavy weight. Once the dog seems comfortable with that, you can add in another day of the heavy weight/short distance, so your week would have: 1-Heavy pulls/short distance 2-Rest 3-Light pull/long distance 4-Heavy pulls/short distance 5-Rest 6-Light pull/long distance 7-One day left over for whatever you want (if the dog needs a break, you can take it, or you can use this day to take him running and build up his endurance more) If the dog ever seems to be having too much trouble at a weight, drop the weight down to one he can manage. This is just what I used for my dog, so I can't guarantee that it will work for every dog, but it did work well for us.

People like the ones that run that site would rather see the dogs bought by people who want them for pets, then not be able to handle them, and chain the dog(s) out, than have the dogs fullfill their original purpose. Then they wonder why there are so many in shelters, etc... if the dogs had been doing what they were "made" to do, they wouldn't have been so bored, or considered too prey driven (at least not too prey driven for their situation), or too hyper.

Advantage is safe for dogs even 6 weeks old, I'm not sure about frontline and revolution though.

BTW, the dog doesn't bark at people.... he prefers to stand a few ft away and growl like he'd like nothing better than to kill you. And they wonder why the neighbor didn't want him loose when her kids were out playing :roll:

Carol, I like that idea, and would feel a lot better knowing that they wouldn't be blaming me for getting their dog "put in jail" (they accused their neighbor of trying to get the dog "put in jail" when she called AC on them). Mei Mei, I think that's what they think, that he needs to be "free", and they once told me that he likes to go visit all the "girl dogs" :roll: :x (there's no need for more dogs with temperments like his). There's a rotty pup up the street from them/us, that will probably be going into heat soon, and they leave her outsdie all the time (along with a fixed male boxer, he's fixed only because he peed all in their house), and I get the feeling that there's going to be a litter of lab/rotty/who knows what mixes by the end of spring. Of course the rotty's owners are the local crack house residents, and they won't get the dog spayed because "they don't have enough money", and they think they can make some off her pups. :x They even had the nerve to call and ask my mom if she could steal some vaccs from the vets and give them to them for the dogs :o

During summer, there was an Adidas commercial that had a pit bull-ish dog on a balcony watching some shoes run around :lol: . Before that, there was one in one of the Advantage commercials, and one in a Febreeze(sp?) commercial. There's also the Target Bull Terrier (it's a bully breed anyway). That's all I can think of :lol:

If it's mites, there's probably blackish/brownish/reddish "crustys" in there. It could also be an ear infection, if so, the inside of his ear might be red and irritated, but that could just be from him scratching. It's best to take him to the vets, they'll check him for mites/ear infection, and give him meds if he needs them. If not, and they only need cleaned, he'll show them how to do it. This is a little OT, but Goo used to get ear infections all the time (hasn't had one since last spring, but I'm sure they'll be back :roll: ), and she would pick in her ear with one of her hind feet (all the while whining softly), then lick the wax off her toes :o . When I caught her doing it, I would clean them and put meds in them, which she hated, so she would always try to hide when she was "picking" :lol: .

About Haley... she's lost a bunch of weight (was 42-43, now 35), and we couldn't figure out what was wrong with her, but one of the vets said it could be that her pancreas isn't producing the enzymes needed to digest fats, etc, so all the food she was eating was passing right through and she wasn't getting any nutrition from it (I forget what he said the problem is called). She's on dietary enzymes now, that she gets with every meal, and if that's what the problem is, there should be improvement within a couple weeks. My friend has been on time with her shots lately (after the vet told her that not being on time could kill her), so that's an improvement over the situation a month ago. Also, her blood sugar levels were way down (41) when we took her in yesterday, so they dropped her insulin amount down another unit. The vet is saying now that if we keep having to drop her insulin amounts, she may eventually be weaned completely off of it. It could also be that because of the lack of enzymes to break down the food, she didn't need as much insulin to "process" the sugar, so the amount of insulin might need to be increased again now that she's on the enzymes. She goes back to the vets in two weeks to have her blood sugar tested again, be weighed, and have her enzyme amount checked.

Thanks everybody. Like Cheetah said, I'd really rather not have a bunch of trouble with the them, but other neighbors have complained to them, so they really won't know who called, as long as AC stays quiet. The first time they had AC called on them, they started keeping him on a long leash tied to their porch, then started letting him loose only at night (hence the poo in my yard every morning), now it's whenever they let him out. They open the door, he goes out, he comes back later and scratches to be let in, or they go looking for him. He's not afraid of squirt guns (they tried to use one when he was stealing food off the table), and though I imagine there are some things that would scare him, there are probably others that would get him even more agitated. Squirting him with foul smelling stuff might work, especially since they can't bath him (he tries to bite them). Their fence is actually in pretty good shape, just needs the gates put back on, and one side pulled back up, but my friend's mother already said he can't go back there because he might bite a neighbor's kid (the neighbor who called AC on them) and "he likes to go up the street to see other dogs". I like the poo idea, but his is so runny I don't know it would come up off our grass (one of the main reasons I don't like him in our yard, who knows what's wrong with him, and I don't want any of our dogs getting sick). They don't want to do anything that might inconvenience themselves, even if it means their dog ends up dead (although they've assured me that that will [i]never[/i] happen). After AC came the first time, they were all mad at their neighbor, so when they would see the neighbor's cat outside, they would let Manson (the dog) out, and he's go chasing after it. I suppose it was "payback" for reporting them (if their dog hadn't been growling at the woman's kids, she wouldn't have called). Another thing I was thinking as far as calling AC, I'm only 17, so if they were to find that out, would they even believe me? And how much should I tell them (ie: do they need to know Goo's breed, or that she's dog aggressive, etc)?

Why is it so hard for some people to keep their dogs in [i]their[/i] yard, or at least a little under control?? I had Goo out in the backyard earlier, and my friend's aggressive lab x came darting out from behind a car, growling, while we were walknig back up to the house. It took both me and Goo by surprise, and he stood a few feet away, growling at us. I got Goo on the other side of me, and started walking, but he ran around behind me and started growling at her from behind, then ran up right behind her (I think he though he was going to mount her :o ). Goo managed to twist herself around (all on about a ft of leash, that's how close he was) and tried to grab him, I guess it scared him, and he ran off. A few seconds later I heard someone down the street yelling "get outta here", and the dog came running back into my yard again, still growling. Goo was more than a little disturbed at him bothering us so much, and started screaming (that hideous scream that they do when they're completely outraged by something, like getting left when everyone else goes in the car :lol: ) as we walked up the driveway. I got Goo into the house, then came back outside looking for him (to take him home and complain again), but he wasn't there (they probably heard Goo and came running out to get him). This isn't the first time he's done this kinda thing, either, but it seems as if he gets more sure of himself every time. Almost every morning when I walk Goo, there's a new pile of "poo" in our front yard from him, and everytime they let him out he runs down here to mark our yard (Goo's morning pee break now takes about 10 mins because she's gotta sniff every spot and cover it up :roll: ). I've asked/suggested to them several times to keep him in their yard or walk him on leash, the excuses I've gotten so far are (my thoughts are in parenthesis): "we can't walk him on leash because he's too strong" (he's real fat, but not real strong, easier to control than Goo is sometimes), "he won't poo on a leash" (you mean if he's on a leash, he'll poo in your yard, then [i]you[/i] would have to clean it up :roll: ), "he needs exercise", "likes to run", or "he needs to explore" (all can be done much more safely from the end of a leash), "he got hit by a car before and it didn't hurt him" (he's not superman, and if the car's going fast enough, he won't be hurt, he'll be dead), "he's in heat" (you better run out and get some doggy diapers then :lol: ), "he won't hurt anything" (suuurrre), and if he did (they've now admitted that he would bite someone, given the chance) "they shouldn't be there anyway, he's just being protective" (you mean obsessive). When I told them to keep him in their yard, because if he should happen to get too close to Goo (ie: trying to mount her) and she hurts him, it'll be their fault, they told me "then you shouldn't have a dog like that, you should get rid of [i]your[/i] dog" :o . I just have a hard time understanding that... my dog is under control at all times, and will hold a sit around another dog until it's safe for us to move away, unless that dog is jumping all over, or invading her "personal space" (about 10 ft away). [i]Their[/i] dog is outwardly aggressive toward people, has no manners towards other dogs, and they let him run completely out of control. Yet if he and Goo were to get into a fight, it would absolutely be Goo's fault :mad: . I'm debating right now on whether to call AC on them or not, but would rather they not know it was me, since they'd probably get all p*ssed off about it and start trouble. They've already had AC called on them once, and got a warning, so I assume this time it would be a fine. I really don't like the idea of calling AC on a friend's family, but no matter how many times I ask them (nicely, rudely, calmly, whatever) to keep him away from my yard, they don't even make the slightest effort. And I can't think of anything else that I could do about it, unless I've missed something?

He does look like an American Bulldog, or at least an AB mix. :lol: The dog on "Homeward Bound" was also an American Bulldog.

It's not [i]big[/i], but it's pretty big for this area, I'm guessing the backyard (the part we'd be fencing in) is 100' wide and 300' long, maybe a little bigger. Our property is layed out a little strange though... our house is up closest to the road, then we have a parking area that fits several cars, then my grandparents' house, then the backyard, so the backyard is about 200 ft back from the road. There's a driveway that runs alongside our property up to the backyard, then turns, so the neighbors are right next to our backyard. (Not sure if any of that made sense.) The fence we need is probably similar to what you have, but if we were to fence all four sides, we'd need two big gateways (car size) and at least two smaller ones. We would probably only do the two sides that don't have water surrounding them, but I don't know how well that would work, as far as keeping the dogs in.