cheekymunkee

[quote]Although I don't foster I have gone through something similar with [my dogs] since they have to be seperated 24/7. I felt as though I was ignoring one of them by being with the other & boy did [one of my dogs] let me know he was NOT happy about it. It broke my heart but I had no choice but split my time between the two. It wasn't as bad with [the other dog], although she did cry quite a bit at first when being left alone, she didn't really care who was with her, whether it be me, A. or little O.. [b][The first dog] is a HUGE momma's boy & nothing & no one could console him[/b]. He would howl like a hound. [b]He has quite a knack for playing on my sympathies.[/b] We've been dealing with this situation for a little over a year now & as time has gone by it has become MUCH easier. [The second dog] is now fine with being alone & [the first dog] [b]realizes he must be without his mommy sometimes & he won't die[/b]. They get used to it & so will you. Sneak in some "you" time with [your dog], even if it's just an extra few minutes a day, it'll make her feel special & it'll help you as well[/quote] Ahhh Primmy, quoting me directly from another board. Are you stalking me? Do you know where I live now based on the pictures that I posted & the breed of dog that I own???? Why don't you apply to join that board? We would LOVE to have you as a member. :evilbat: Oh and while I am at it, why don't you visit the Wolfdog boards anymore??? Please tell us. First, lets' talk about Justice. She was a PUPPY, they often cry when they are left alone. No big deal, they get used to it, it hurts them not one bit. In fact, I believe ( and this is ONLY my opinion) that leaving them to themselves prevents seperation anxiety. I could be wrong but so far it has worked with my dogs. I have not had any problems with seperation anxiety. Munkee will be 5 in October, until Justice came into my home, he was top dog ( in his mind) on top of being a HUGE momma's boy. Do my dogs look in the least like they are hurting by being seperated?? Neither of them suffer from seperation anxiety. Munkee is a velcro dog, he wants to be attached to my hip. When I am at work, he sits by the window & watches for me to get home. He howled when I was with Justice because he knew I was in the house but not with him, he wasn't howling becasue he was LONELY, he was howling because I WAS NOT WITH HIM. He was acting out because of jealousy, he wanted me all to himself. It is written plainly in my post, here I will bold it for you so that you cannot miss it. Munkee does NOT suffer from being without me, he is used to me going to work, therefore it was not THAT difficult for him to learn to be without me while I am IN the house. It took a while but like I said, he is a momma's boy & very spoiled. He knows how to play on my sympathies. He & Justice get MUCH MORE attention from me being seperated than they would by all being together. The reason being is that Munkee will try to grab ALL of my attention. Plain & simple, Munkee loves his mommie. If my daughter sits beside me on the sofa, Munkee will try to squeeze between us or he will try to sit in my lap. If that doesn't work he will sit ON my feet. He tries to push between Ollie & I also, I cuddle her one on one as well as the other dogs. She gets just as much "me" time as they do. Yes, at first it DID bother me that I could not have them in the same room at the same time, I would LOVE for them not to be aggressive towards each other but he fact is, they are & I deal with it accordingly. I'm sorry that you do not understand responsible pit bull ownership. Since you chose to only post a small prtion of the thread & not the whole story, I was consoling a person who is new to fostering & feeling uncertain as to whether or not she was doing right by HER dog. She is VERY picky about who adopts this dog and is considering adopting the dog herself but not totally sure if she is up to the responsibilty of having 2 dogs for life. She is young, single & at the moment living alone. Of course, I'm sure that is foreign to you since it has been soooo long since you have been young. [/quote]This is not to say that some kind of separation isn't necessary in the case (very common with seriously dog aggressive dogs, since there is rarely another home willing to take them on) where the alternative to separation is death. Just that this is another huge price dogs pay for being dog aggressive. [quote] Rehoming one of my dogs is NEVER an option. NEVER. My dogs are not disposable, if life with them is not a bowl of cherries, we have grapes. Death for my dogs is NEVER an option. If your wombats suddenly decide they are not too thrilled with each other, does one of them die??? That's pretty disgusting if you ask me, but that's YOU I guess. I said "Munkee knows he won't die" tongue in cheek. It was humor, oh wait, you don't understand that do you? I forgot that I had to explain humor to you earlier. :roll: Yeah, my dogs are miserable, their pictures really show that don't they?? Look at those miserable faces. Poor little pit bulls. You are really reaching here Primmy, although FOR WHAT??? No one is quite sure. Keep posting Primmy, you are only proving what others have already said about you. [b]Ignorance can be cured, stupid is forever!! [/b] Debby

They aren't necessarily dog aggressive but they can be. My nephew had one that was more dog aggressive than his pitties. And I think it's a GOOD idea to avoid any dog in the dog park that you may think is a pit or pit mix. They have no business being there any way. Debby

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Bella is ADORABLE!!!! Debby

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU are even WORSE than DrJeff & I!!!! YOU posted pictures of TWO pit bulls................ TOGETHER!!!!!!!! AAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!! I think my corneas just melted!!! Debby

Oh the HORROR!!!!!!! You are single handedly bringing down the entire breed! And by the way, thanks for that disclaimer! :D Debby

[quote]Anyhow, according to her I am doing my breeds a disservice by posting a pic in my sig of them cuddling. I hope people dont run out and get a pit and an Akita just cause they see them cuddling in my sig[/quote] Yes, Drjeff...... how could you BE so freakin irresponsible?!?!?!?! Shame on you young man!! :D Debby

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OH, wanted to add......I could have named my thread "Pictures of my pit bulls playing with kittens and another dog" and Primmy would have found a reason to complain about it. She is only pissed because I used one of HER catchy little phrases as a title. Debby

[quote]I completely agree, I have always owned a multie dog house hold and not once have I had a problem which would have forced me to seperate my dogs. There is no greater joy than to have all 6 of my dogs play together, sleep together and eat together...even share a bone. I own 3 females, and 3 males...2 males which are intact. [/quote] That is scarey. Maybe it is becaue I have been a pit bull owner all of my life. BUT want to guess which one of my dogs is the most possession aggressive?? My little Ollie dog, the spitz\pom mix. Any person can take food, toys, whathave you from her but let one of the cats or other dogs get close to her food bowl or toy she is playing with & she lets them know right away to back off. For that reason she is not allowed to have toys any where but her room, she is fed seperatly, as are all of my dogs. [quote]There was a girl in my area of the world who bought an APBT (well bred) just for the fact that they were supposed to be non human aggressive...the dog mauled her so bad she ended up in the hospital and she barely got away from her own dog by locking herself in her bathroom and yelling out her window. The scariest thing was the APBT due to having such powerful drives did not calm down at all and had to be shot when the police arrived. The dog was well loved and spoiled...it became top dog, when the owner did some thing the dog didn't approve of it took into her...the women started screaming and tried to run which in turn made the attack esculate. Possibly this owner could have ruined any dog...this was her first dog she had owned...but, the out come of the attack was by far worse than what she may have received from a breed without the full series of predatory motor patterns and the enhanced drives. [/quote] That was NOT a well bred APBT, either that or there was an underlying problem with the dog. I have witnessed many many spoiled APBT (I have two myself) and no way no how will either of them lay a tooth on a human being. Never. You can run screaming through my house & while my dogs will more than likely chase you they will NOT bite you. My dogs all know who is boss, but even so..... a well bred APBT will not do what this ladies dog did. I've had people around my dogs who at first were not comfortable with them, my dogs didn't act any differently around them then they did any one else. I have brought my dogs to work on several occasions. There are people here who aren't that crazy about them, my dogs act no differently around them than they do any one else. It's MY responsibilty to kep my dogs away from people who are not comfortable with them. Oh and MY dogs aren't even THAT well bred. Debby

OH, leahluvsherpups and ellieangel, THANKS for posting those pictures!! They are priceless!! But be careful, posting pictures of your dogs doing things that are "unbreedlike" for them shows that you MUST be irresponsible owners. Oh wait, that's only pit bull owners.....never mind. :wink: :wink: Debby

[quote]Why did you title your post "my murderously aggressive pit bulls?" [/quote] I named it that...get ready now... BECAUSE I FREAKIN FELT LIKE IT. Got a problem with it? Then why did you open the thread? Don't like the title...once again Barney style for ya....DO NOT OPEN IT. Pretty simple stuff there huh? I was being sacracstic, I'm a smart ass, there you caught me. Most people who read my posts figure that one out pretty quickly. Who knows, tomorrow I might add pictues of my dogs playing with ....gasp... PEOPLE!! Oh the horror!! Did you open the thread titiled " Ever been GLAD your dog bit someone?" I'm sure you did, realized that it was NOT a bully involved so decided to keep quiet. [quote]Well...now it turns out that you have two pit bulls who can't be together, even with supervision. That would be a big and quite heartbreaking problem for most dog owners because it is a huge hassle but much more so because it means that the dogs (the ultimate pack animals) must be isolated and ignored far more of the time. [/quote] It's not a huge & heartbreaking problem for me. I deal with it & so do they, quite nicely I might add. They don't have a problem with being seperated, neither do I. Why does it bother YOU so much what goes on in my home? My dogs are never ignored, never. They need attention? There are plenty people in my home that are willing to give it to them. And, uh, pit bulls are not pack animals, they are quite happy being the ONLY dog in the house. A problem for most dog owners? Maybe so, but I'm not most dog owners. ANd "it turns out" nothing, I NEVER hid the fact that my dogs can be aggressive towards each other. [quote]Why would telling the truth make people more likely to believe things that aren't true? [/quote] Where is the TRUTH in THIS statement? [/quote]Pit bulls are unique, because they are quite likely to be missing the equisite canine interaction skills that most other breeds have.[quote] Quote your sources. Can't can you? Didn't think so. [/quote]Do I talk about the downside of ownership of other breeds? Absolutely, I do. [quote] Obsessively?? Where?? Show me. You are quite a bizzare person. Posting pictures of my dogs together, playing with kittens makes me an irresponsible pit bull owner??? You are only making yourself look more & more ridicoulous with EVERY post. Look around Primmy, NO ONE is taking your side here... not even NON pit bull owners. Debby[/quote]

[quote]BTW is no one concerned about the Kitty Porn here? [/quote] Ooops, sorry, never meant to offend! :wink: :wink: Primmy is concerned about the fact that my pit bulls ar not together in the pictures. She does, however gloss over the fact that they ARE (well at least one of them anyway, I didn't post pictures of Munkee & Ollie together......my bad) in the company of another dog....cuddling no less. :roll: Debby

He's a real cutie pie. I'm sorry he feels so miserable. Snuggle him for me. :( Debby

[quote]By the way, Cheeky, I wanted to ask you about something. When I look at the pictures of your pit bulls, I notice that there aren't any pictures of the two of them cuddling up together. Are they ever aggressive toward each other? Would you leave them alone unsupervised together? If not, why not?[/quote] No Primrose, my APBT's are never together. WHy? They do not like each other & they have the potential to do damage to each other (and most likely would). I am not a dog fighter, have never attended a dog fight & have no desire to see one in my living room. Both dogs CAN however be with Ollie (always under supervision of course) and they are allowed around her on a daily basis. Someone is almost always home and during the day Ollie & justice are together (under supervision of course). In the evening Munkee gets the run of the house with Ollie (again under supervision). While one pit bull has the house the other is safely tucked away in their room (Munkee in my bedroom, Justice in my daughter's). On the rare occasion that no one is home, Ollie has the run of the house and the pit bulls are in their rooms. If she wants to be rid of them she has a room that she can go to as well. Why is this? Because I am a responsible pit bull owner & even if they were all happy as peas in a pod together they would never be allowed together unsupervised. [quote]It really doesn't prove that dogs are not dangerous if you show pictures of them not being aggressive. Very few dogs are aggressive all the time to all other beings. If you tell us that neither dog ever IS aggressive, and that both are trustworthy and gentle and non-aggressive with everybody (including each other) that means a lot more than showing pictures that show them not being aggressive at a certain point in time. [/quote] I was merely showing pictures of my dogs, some playing with each other, some with kittens. I can't really comment on the rest of that paragraph. It gives me a headache. My dogs (even Ollie, the spitz\pom mix) are wonderful with people of all shapes & sizes. They tend to be boistorious (sp) so the rare time a little one is in my home they are in their rooms until they calm down (they LOVE company) so as not to knock them down or step on them, they ARE good with kids though, once they settle down. [quote] If the dog actually IS aggressive toward other animals, then perhaps there ought to be a disclaimer saying that, just so people don't get the wrong impression of pit bulls. [/quote] Why should only pit bull owners post such a disclamier? Show me one breed that is NEVER EVER aggressive towards other animals. If I must put up a disclaimer when I post pictures if my dogs, so too should everyone. [quote]It isn't protecting pit bulls to try to cover up the problems owning them can present. It might be protecting irresponsible pit bull breeders, but it isn't protecting pit bulls. If you really want to protect pit bulls, you don't show a picture of a dog with the potential to be dangerously aggressive toward other dogs and sneer at the notion that this dog might have the potential to be dangerously aggressive toward other dogs. You tell the truth about it. If people who hear the truth don't want to get a pit bull, so be it. That isn't hurting pit bulls, that is helping them.[/quote] Where do you get the notion that I have EVER covered up the problems that owning a pit bull can create? Look around at my posts Primmy, have I EVER said ONE time that pit bulls do not have the potential to be dog aggressive & it's just might freaking dandy to take them to the dog park or let them run offleash?? I have repeated over & over that the breed tends to be dog aggressive. I don't cover up ANYTHING in regards to pit bulls, I just don't feel the need (UNLIKE YOU) to shove it down people's throats with every post. If any one at any time wants information on pit bull ownership, all they have to do is ask me & I will tell them. Bully breeds are NOT for everyone, they are for very responsible owners who are aware of the breed. Sure, NOT SO repsonsible owners do own them as they own every breed of dog. I don't like it when people spread misinformation about the breed. People will see my pictures & think "aww,how cute", but when people read misinformation they tend to " Hey Ethel, lookie here!! Right here it says that those durned ole pit bulls got somehting wrong with their brains that makes them unable to speak dog. Well, golly gee wizz, I already heerd the ones about their brains swelling & their jaws locking but I aint never heered this one!" There are enough assinine rumors about our breeds spread by clueless people to add any more. [quote]I don't dislike pit bulls[/quote] Really? Then why is it you never tell any other breed owners the horrors of owning those breeds? What are the "down sides" of YOUR breed? Debby

I conversed with an eBay seller who has a Corgidor. Corgi Lab mix. I asked her for a picture but never got one, I think I may have offended her. Debby

[quote name='odnarb'][quote name='Horsefeathers!'] You must have a different chain of Wal*Marts than we do. The greeters that stand in the front of ours were hired on to stand at the front and look menacing. They are like those palace guards over in England with their glazed expressions and wouldn't smile or speak if their lives depended on it. They undergo special training in how to grimace, snarl and look as intimidating as possible while at the same time they file all the buggy wheels to be perfectly square so they have that neat little clack clack clack thing going when you're shopping. Our greeters also undergo rigorous physical training so as to be able to dash out the door and nab those rotten ne'er do wells who dared walk out of the store empty handed for surely they must have shoved merchandise in their pockets. [/quote] Geez, no wonder you found my quote so amusing. I meant smile like that nice senior citizen that is handing you a shopping cart :o[/quote] Nazi WalMart greeters! :D Debby

[quote] Adress the individual points where she is correct, and go ahead and blast what is incorrect.[/quote] I did that, well...sort of, I quoted the part that I had a problem with. [quote]My own dogs ignore each other's pleas of "uncle." [/quote] If they lacked communication skills, there would be no pleas of uncle. It would be an all out fight. They know exactly what the other is saying, they just chose to ignore it. Just like kids, I may KNOW that the punch in the arm hurt like hell but I'm going to give you another one anyway. I have seen Hartagold post pictures of her dogs lying on the sofa, piled on top of her boyfriend. They seem to be communicating. I know she has very well trained dogs but there HAS to be some communicating going on between them for them to lie so content. Debby

Thanks everyone!! I think my babies are kinda cute too, although no where near as cute as THEY think they are! Debby

[quote]Fact of the matter is, our dogs should not spend time in dog parks because they lack communication skills. If they were masters at canine language, playing with the other nice doggies would be a nonissue[/quote] Our dogs should not spend time in dog parks because they have the potential to be dog aggressive, not because they lack communication skills. If they lack communication skills, how is it that they can be around each other at all? Your dogs seem to be fine around each other, if they aren't communicating, how is it possible? For the most part, Primmies post was correct, BUT I will not sit back & smile while someone spreads false information about my breed. If that makes me a thug, then I'll change my nickname to C-Dawg. Word :wink: Debby

Mine understand "dog speak" as well. They may or may not LISTEN but it is obvious they understand it. Ollie (non pit bull) & Munkee talk to each other all the time though body language & eye signals. Sometimes Munkee respects what she is saying, sometimes he doesn't. Same with Justice, she get really rowdy with Ollie, Ollie will give her signals to cut it out & she will react to them. Sometimes she will back off of her rowdiness, sometimes she will leave her alone all together & sometimes she ignores her. Mine have all of the equisite canine interaction skills they need & they use them. Not only with each other but with my neighbor's dogs as well. Granted, they are seperated by fences but they are still communicating. On one side of me live a pit mix & a dobie mix. The dobie is getting on in years but she still loves to run the fence with Munkee. Some days she doesn't feel up to it & she conveys this to Munkee. He understands this or he would be standing at the fence, trying to get her to run instead of going about his business. He prefers to run with her over the pit mix but if she isn't up to it he will run with the pit mix. However, on every return trip he will stop, play bow & try to get her to run but he isn't obsessive over it as he would be if he wasn't "hearing" what she is saying. Chosing not to listen & not understanding are two different things. Debby

Let's just let this drop. Sure, she made a mistake but thankfully no one had to pay the price for it. She is learning & is willing to learn. We ALL make mistakes, we ALL have done things & found out later it wasn't the best thing to do. Give the chick a break, she's learning. :wink: One reason we are so protective of this breed is that when something happens that effects ONE bully, it effects us ALL. Debby

No, you're not wrong. Pit bull owners DO need to be more diligent with their dogs. We DO need to be aware at ALL times of the potential for problems with our dogs & their interactions with others. No experienced bully breed owner will deny that. However , we DO NOT need to have such blatant misinformation thrown in our (or any one else's) faces on a constant basis throughout Primmies posts. Does she EVER have any links to offer as proof of the "information" she posts? Does she EVER post on any thread other than pit bull threads? Nope. Never. She only posts on threads that pertain in some way to pit bulls & their owners. With every post she makes she mentions "dog fighters" as if ALL pit bull owners & breeders are such. I have been a pit bull owner all of my life & not ONCE have I ever attended a dog fight or wathced a dog fight video. My dogs were NOT bred by dog fighters & I don't appreciate her insinuations. Debby

[quote]Pit bulls are unique, because they are quite likely to be missing the equisite canine interaction skills that most other breeds have. This is because a dog who has those skills (for example, backing away from a dog who postures to avoid a fight) is useless to a dog fighter. He sneers at such a dog and calls him a "coward" and a "cur." (Of course, any wolf who isn't a coward doesn't last long enough to breed--wolves are consumate cowards). While most dogs have the ability to stop fighting if the othre dog submits, this is the LAST thing the dog fighter wants. He wants a dog who will keep on fighting no matter what submissive signals his opponant give, and that is what he has bred for. Most dogs know how to inhibit their bites. Horrific looking dog fights (between non-pit bulls) quite typically don't result in any injuries at all. This isn't because the dogs COULDN"T put holes in each other, they could but they don't. But dog fighters breed dogs specifically for the ability and desire to inflict injury quickly and with great devastation. Pit bull breeders have intentionally bred dogs who can't communicate in the language that other dogs use. When a four year old bitch snarls at a rough adolescent dog, she means to say "Respect me, I am your elder. Do not body slam me like that" and she expects him to say back "Yes Ma'am, I'm sorry" The pit bull, however, may well take that snarl as saying "I am ready to fight." and he responds "I am a pit bull and I DON'T back down when I am disrespected. Let's fight." [/quote] Where do you come up with this crap? Why is it that you think EVERY pit bull breeder & owner is a dog fighter? What breed of dog do you own? crazy_canine, I know this person is obnoxious but please, don't let her get ot you. I realize it's not P.C. to laugh at the mentally ill but SOME of her babbling IS quite hilarious! Take her with a grain of salt, she knows NOTHING of what she speaks. Debby

Oooh, she's a DOLL!! Tell her I'm sorry I thought she was a poodle (I was going by the poodles in your avatar). :wink: Debby