Hobbit

[quote name='gigishiba']Oh my. Never fear, this pup would be their loving pet as well. He/she would be an inside dog most of the time, just as their labs are. They are very good and caring of animals. Honestly, I doubt this is something they will end up doing, but we were just wondering what this breed would be (at airports) and weren't sure where on the net to looks...so I said I'd ask you guys!! Deer are beautiful creatures. My dad is a deer hunter. It saddens me when I know he's got one hanging in his garage, but I also understand the need. A few years ago the government hired sharp shooters in our area to take care of the deer population. Don't go there.[/quote] Border Collies are the number one dogs being used by airports to keep the ducks, geese and other avians off of the runaway. More Kelpies are also being utilized as "shoo dogs" or "goose dogs" or "duck dogs". Take a look at this website: [url]http://birdstrike.bcrescue.org/sunsentinel2.html[/url] An Australian Cattle Dog would work, but may be too rough on the deer --- if it corners the deer. A "deer" fence is the best advice. A fence will be needed regardless, because it is not (highly not) advisable to allow a herding bred dog free roam of the country side (any breed of dog for that matter).

[quote name='working koolie']I had a working dog that was a fair worker but used to bark non stop drove me insane I keep my dogs in runs and when they backed I used to tell them to get to bed but I couldnt say that in a working situation as he would have gone home to his bed so I decided to retrain them to quiet ,so I did it in the runs for a week and my dogs will bark on command and then transferred it to the yards with sheep and no more barking ! I guess i am just lucky hes a very intellegent doggie weve had some really interesting ways of training !!!!!!!!!!! and hes taught me some valuable stuff[/quote] We've had herding dogs, in the past, (not Kelpies) that were barkers while on-line waiting to go work. We done the same thing, taught them to be "quiet". It worked rather well and stopped all the barking. The barking really gets all the dogs going --- sometimes in the wrong direction!

[quote name='Anonymous'][quote name='Hobbit']Oh noooooo, it's better because "GUEST" can read but she/he can't speak!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote] I noticed most of the forums had nothing on them - gee you must be missing the guests a great deal or maybe no one here really cares to learn or discuss anything about dogs just to repeat gossip and falsehoods to make themselves feel good....[/quote] Guest, did you also read the other part of my post? If you are looking for a scratch fight --- go somewhere else. I am secure in my knowledge and do not need to pick fights, be rude or belittle someone else to make myself feel important/intelligent/better. Every one on this forum has something to offer rather it be something small or something of volume --- someone, somewhere, learns from these posts; someone, somewhere, has a happy thought from these posts; someone, somewhere, could care less about these posts ---- so, see everyone benefits. Including you, because if you didn't --- you would stop posting.

[quote name='K']Rowie you are so funny...most of us DO have pictures of our own dogs up...do you think they would have a "dracula dog" in the gallery :lol:[/quote] Hey IT IS a nice halloween costume! DUH --- I still can't believe I thought that!! Everytime I see that picture, I just have to laugh.

She slobber-dogs you, huh!

Sometimes when they are coming out of the anesthesia they will not have total control of their bladder. Let baking soda soak on the pee places. The baking soda will soak up the smell and then you just vacuum it up. Leave in on the spots for awhile.

Abusser....you are his prey! He's stalking his prey. You're just his playmate because he doesn't have anyone else to terrorize. :lol: This does indeed scare a lot of people, they think it is an aggressive move. There is a different between the play-stalk and the "I'm going to kill you" stalk. I've seen the aggressive stance --- and it will scare the be-geebee's out of you.

Are you sure it's mites and not those "evil" weavils? :wink:

Abusser is this what your puppy looks like when he "stalks" you? I was going to put it in the original thread, but didn't want it to get overlooked. [img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7b5fe9f3/bc/Pets/Kelpie/Sam+cropped+for+site+stalk.jpg?bcUl0r9AXMNvtJa.[/img][img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7b5fe9f3/bc/Pets/Kelpie/Sam+side+stalk+091702.jpg?bcUl0r9AHUht_LLV[/img]

What natural ability! Genetics at its finest!!

Weenie method --- does kind of sound bad, huh --- :o It's not, it's method to guide the dog onto what you want him to track. There are so many different smells, sometimes it's confusing as to which smell you want him to track. Put his tracking harnes on: drag the weenie on the ground, have someone with a weenie hide a few yard/feet away, show him the scent and the weenie --- let him track, be able to run, as soon as he finds the person with the weenie --- he gets a weenie and lots of praise. Extend your distance as soon as he can find "weenie man" with no problem. Soon, you can wean him off the weenie and go onto other stuff --- like scarves, socks etc... Keep the treats at the end of the track, and wean him off gradually. He'll just think it's a big game with a treat involved. How did you teach Jac to track?

[quote name='Jacsmom']So true Hobbit...With Jac we don't hunt birds now but we hunt people... We are training Jac to track! He loves it! :D He seems to be a natural but this is because it is a quality found in the Lab. At 7 months he can find people and follow a scent that is 20 minutes old.. We stared this at 4 months and it is a game to him... Most Labs that excell at this are also great hunters! Surprisingly enough there are show breeders who are taking their dogs now and getting hunter titles on them and trying to breed a "dual" purpose Lab![/quote] Darn....now you can't lose your kids on purpose at the mall! :wink: I hope the other breeders and show people follow suit instead of just breeding for whatever "look" a certain judge likes. Did you use the "weenie" method teaching him to track and "find"?

Chase? :o My thoughts exactly! I'd be still standing still and she'd be a mile away and back before I took a step. :lol: I guess that's why "Wind" is in their name --- :wink: There are some breeders listed with some really good websites at [url]www.breeders.net[/url]

Labs are probably the most misunderstood of all the dog breeds. There is something like 6327 Labs listed on "Pet finder". It really is sad, because like Jacsmom said --- they are extremely intelligent and very much worth the time and effort. Unfortunately, most/lots/majority (?) of the people aren't willing to give them a chance (a total chance of years). AND no offense here but, Labs are hunting dogs and should be hunted. The AKC show people are doing their best to breed this characteristic out of the Lab. I dont' mean a person should go bird hunting (if this is not possible) --- there are other ways to satisfy the "need" to hunt. Play hunt with them, have them hunt stuff and retrieve it, that will satisfy their genetic tug to hunt.

[quote name='corgilady']I don't know about kelpies, but the non-working border collie barks incessantly! :roll: Seriously, Hobbit has some beautiful kelpies. I can't find the thread now, but one of them had a tan face and was a darker shade? That's my favorite. I've never seen one in person.[/quote] Thanks Corgilady -- the Kelpies are an absolute addiction! Thank goodness our Border Collies do not bark when working and rarily bark when not working. One of the Border Collies howls instead of barks, because when he was a puppy --- we thought that was so cute and praised him for it --- yep, he has done it ever since. We have a rescue red Heeler that went from being used a turn back steer dog for ropers, she was so fast that a flyball person saw her and offered so much money that she was sold to be a flyball dog. ***NO offense to the flyball people*** but she became a barking maniac, then sold (because the people "lost" interest in flyball) to be a turn back steer dog (again), this time she just would not stop barking when she got excited, so they tried to beat it out of her and broke her back leg at the hock and injured her back, then she ended up in a kill shelter because she just would not shut-up. After MUCH, and I mean MUCH work, we have been successful at curtailing the barking. She is an excellent dog other than that, knows all of her commands, very obedient as far as walking on a leash, and being a nice dog, we just love her to death. But let me tell you---her barking causes something like a shark feeding frenzy among the other working dogs. She is the most aggravating dog that I've ever had in my life. She starts more dog fights with her barking than you can shake a stick at (She sets back and watches and I think she likes it!!). We have to take a hold of her in order to maintain the other dogs. As long as I have her by the collar --- she's okay. Sorry...that was so off the subject...... :oops:

[quote name='Aroura']I think it is the non working kelpies that bark alot. All the obedience classes I have been to there have been kelpies or kelpie crosses who just bark and bark. Dogs that are born to work and don't have propper mental stimulation often pick up bad habbits, like barking or digging.[/quote] Oh yeah, you are so right about the mental stimulation, lack of that is. Are these Kelpies the "Show or Bench" Kelpies? They were inbred so much by the show people (looking for one trait) that they actually created another breed --- totally different from the "working" Kelpie. The Bench/show Kelpies look different, act different, and are just different in all ways from the working Kelpie. That's mostly the type (Bench/show) of Kelpie you'll see in the obedience classes and sports dog classes (that's what we see in the US, anyway). What about there? The Bench/show Kelpies are usually solid dark red or solid black. A boxier look, with a short, small, pointed nose (reminds you of a spitz nose), small feet, more of a square head.

Something that we teethe our pups on is apples. Red juicy apples. They love it. It's juicy and tastes good; crunchy but soft for baby teeth to sink into (like your arm! :wink: ); soft enough to bite and massage the gums. The seeds have hard coats and will be pooped out -- a seed. We also use potatoes, carrotts and watermelon rind (which they LOVE). Even the adults still like apples and watermelon rind (with some watermelon left on it).

Will you just look at the expression in those eyes! That picture should be a post card or on a calander. They are truly built for [i]SPEED[/i]. :wink:

Becka, your husband is right --- they are crunchy like potato chips. On the stairs: It's not safe for some older dogs -- being that some old dogs are like old people, some of them are frail with poor eye sight.

I made those hotdog, weenie, crunchy things......they were great....with mustard! But......er......hum...... :oops: ......have to make them now FOR THE DOGS!

Personally, I would just buy the ducks, or get some "dog-broke" sheep. "Dog-broke" sheep are sheep that have been worked so much that they know the drill and pretty much are like push button. The kindergarten dog has no problem putting them where you guide him, thus building his confidence up.

It should work.

Get ducks for the boys to herd, supervised --- of course. Unless, you like duck for dinner.... :wink: Don't blast me, that was a total joke!! Ducks flock together very nicely and are easy to start the kindergarten dog on for herding.

Becka, if you can't figure out the picture thing...email them to me and i'll see if I can post them for you. Also, Sasha and Bullboxer are the wiz-kids for the computer technical stuff. :wink: [email]heelnippin@yahoo.com[/email]

Jacsmom, What about a salve made by "Happy Jack". The name is something like .... hum, I can't remember the name, but it's for cracked pads and it's used by alot of hunting dog owners. "Corn Huskers" hand lotion is what a friend uses for his Jack Russells, he swears by it. I think Vit E would be great, because if he licks it --- it's not likely to hurt him (of course if he ingests alot of it, it could). Vit E is great for our hands and it keeps them soft and supple. Isn't that amazing....in the house away from sharp objects, rocks, sticks, grass, hot-dry sand and their pads get dry and crack!!! It sure couldn't hurt to try it (the Vit E).