courtnek

I have this ongoing issue with the dogs when going into the yard. one of them slams past me and gets to the door...I got sick of it and started training sit stay at the kitchen door before the stairs. (they will kill me knocking me down those stairs) TONIGHT..FOR THE FIRST TIME! they BOTH obeyed. sit/stay was ordered, both stayed till I got down the stairs (without injury) and they were both let outside and played with. WOO HOO!! laugh at me if you want, but they are not easy dogs... I WON!! 8)

Kat they are JEAULOUS and thats what its all about. they couldnt stand the site of Meg breaking formation to run to you in the trials. they know she loves YOU, and she will never respond to them the way she does to you, and its eating them up inside. If this moron wasnt so full of himself he would have realized long ago that you were the best trainer Meg ever had. he's ruined it for himself, AND HE KNOWS IT. so now he is doing petty "get even" stuff, because he doesnt have the balls to say he's sorry and ask for your help with Meg again. sorry if thats brusque, but its true. I know you love Meg and wants whats best for her, but he has made that impossible. NOW you need to move on and do what you can for other dogs like Meg. sorry if that sounds harsh, but I dont honestly believe this moron will ever come around... luv ya! Katy

NO dont bathe her yet. talcum sticks like glue when its wet. brush it out dry first, then bathe here, or you will have a nightmare getting it out... hope this got there in time... :o :o :o

[quote name='Kat']HF yep you gussed it, its a control thing. My Dad was brought up with strict parents and a very strict father who always had the final say and my Nanny never argued with my Papa. This is however another generation of course and times change and my Mum isn't a wee meek mild thing. She is strong and believes that he shouldn't have the final say. Shes talking to Dad now and I hope to be posting pics of my own wee Border collie puppy who will be called Kes (Kestrel) in a few weeks when I get back from Texas. I'm now just thinking of a brilliant kc registered name. The pet name I've had picked out since I was in 1st year of school. We read a book called Kes that was about a boy who tamed and trained a kestrel and I have always loved the name. :D For the registered name I have to think a little bit harder, but perhaps something like "Worth the risk". Have to think of something that will go well with obedience/agility champion before the name 8)[/quote] How about "Took a Chance"?

I personally would not rely on AKC breed standards without a strong disclaimer. Labs are USUALLY good with kids, not always. A Lab that show shyness is not breed standard, and ALL dogs should come with disclaimers that if they are not trained, they will not react according to breed standards. just my take...

fostering is "pre-adoption"...people keep the dogs in their homes to assess them as to how they react to children, other animals, loud noises, etc. a properly assessed dog(hard to do in a shelter because its not the same environment as a home) is much easier to place. the foster parents can tell the adopter what needs this dog has, how it reacts to situations, etc. it makes for a much better adoption when the people know how the dog will react in a home setting. of course, sometimes it backfires, and the fosters end up keeping the dog, but I still think its better. Laurel was fostered, and her foster mom was able to tell me all her isues, fears, problems, so I knew what I was getting into going in.

[quote name='desertlady'][quote name='courtnek']ok I'm going to pay devils advocate..what are the odds of these dogs being adopted? and if they are extremely high, and the dogs will have to live in cages, in a shelter, which is better? what they are doing is wrong, I agree with that, but whats best for the dogs? really...[/quote] OK I think I know where you're going and will try to answer. I don't know what the chances are for being adopted (probably pretty good) or whether they would work out in most adoptive homes (probably pretty bad). To me the point is not just, what about these 250 dogs but, what about the hundreds, maybe thousands to follow if he is allowed to remain in business? I believe he is breeding them himself ... they are a commodity. So I guess the answer as to what's best for the dogs is ... that they are not born to begin with? I personally don't have a problem with the shooting versus injection part. It is the fact that they are disposable when not money makers, that makes me sick.[/quote] I agree 100% with that. the breeding should be stopped. but the dogs already born, used, what of them? should they live their lives in cages, never being adopted, or should they be allowed to go quietly, without pain? I have a lot of issues with rescues. if the dogs have to live their lives (years and years) in a cage, in a shelter, is that good? or is it better to let them go where there is no pain. no suffering, no hurt? what kind of life is it to spend years in a cage? where do we draw the line??? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

ok I'm going to pay devils advocate..what are the odds of these dogs being adopted? and if they are extremely high, and the dogs will have to live in cages, in a shelter, which is better? what they are doing is wrong, I agree with that, but whats best for the dogs? really...

actually, I would suggest onleash in the house during training. attach a small 2 or 3 foot leash to your beltloops, and make her follow you everywhere. do obedience training the whole time. institute NILIF. she gets nothing without working for it. under those guidelines she will come around in no time, and you have stopped a dominance issue in its tracks without harshness. good luck.

good lord go for it. if you're giving water regularly, and they are enjoying it, not an issue. I think most larger dogs would beg for this run if they knew how.. :lol:

the "no pull" part is based on the logistics of how a dog walks. the harness wraps around their front legs and then comes up along the back and secures at the neck, behind the collar. it causes a leg pull when they pull. if they pull too hard, it can cause the front legs to collapse. most of them dont, because they feel the tension on the front of their legs and stop before they fall. it will pull their legs in and out from under them if they dont stop. they will stop instinctively, in most cases, rather than fall. its a great tool in training "no pull" if you add the command while you're walking. the problem is that with a strong puller, like Free, the harness will rub the armpit area raw if they refuse to stop. this needs to be used with a strong NO PULL command, and pull them up short, during training. Once they have adjusted, they wont pull because they dont like the outcome. I put foam on hers for training. I no longer need it, as soon as she sees the harness she knows she is going for "walkies" and behaves very well the whole time.

without realizing it you did exactly what needed to be done. Myself and others suggested it. he now knows how you feel,and with training in psychology I can sense that he is breaking down a little. he is a controlling personality, and when you flat out said "I'm bringing a puppy home" he realized he has lost his control. your mom backing you up is icing on the cake (moms are good at that). I think from here it will be downhill. you needed to stand up and say "ENOUGH", and you did. he will give in, trust me. he wants control over everything, and everybody, but he's not willing to lose you in the contest. pm me if you want. My dad was like this, I understand, trust me... 8)

I have a no-pull harness for Free, and it works great. for the armpits part I wrapped foam around that part and duct taped it. no rash, no soreness. and Free pulls like she's running from hell without it... 8)

ok as long as we're doing specifics, is this going to interfere with the ability to "lock"? 8) sorry K..... :oops: :oops: :oops:

you will have to make it a three layer, with the bottom layer being big enough to encompass your dane when full grown. of course, that will make it stand 8 feet off the ground, and you make have to remove the couch or the lazy boy, but hey....wouldnt want to disappoint him now would we? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: pictures are a MUST 8)

[quote name='pollysmith']We had a bat come out of our chimney once. I'll take a bird anyday![/quote] we had a raccoon...there were two fireplaces, one in the living room and one in the bar room. the raccon managed to get into the bar room one... 3 am and the dog is barking and we hear glass breaking, run downstairs, the dog has the coon cornered on the bar, and its knocking bottles off left and right....hissiing and fluffed up. my dad called animal control. they came out, made us leave the room, then went in and threw his jacket over it! picked it up, took it outside and let it go...now he was a big guy so it was a big jacket, but still...**I** coulda done that I think.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

also have him checked for Lymes disease. it can cause anything from severe fear to severe aggression....... poor Zeb....

Laurel needs to be DEMOTED...she was so scared, so shy, so timid, I gave her extra privledges to get over it, and she has taken FULL advantage of it.... she takes up my whole bed...whether I'm on it or not. she steals food from my hand I'm trying to give it to Free... she only obeys when there is something in it for her (like a treat) hmmmm... have I been taken in or what? :evil: never underestimate the power of a wimpy dog to win you over, then take over.... she is now on complete NILIF...and she has to bow to Free because Free always responds first. I made them both sit before I let them out just now. she griped about it, but I made her stay until I got through the doorway. she griped. I griped louder and MADE her sit before she could go out. she tried the"I'm so sorry please forgive me" crap. not buying it anymore... She has been playing me!! not any more however....sneaky devious little..... :evilbat: :evilbat: :evilbat:

I hate to say it Eric, but Free woulda had a field day. not only would she not have waken me up, she would have destroyed the fireplace glass and gone INTO the fireplace after the bird.Once she had caught it (and she would) she would have brought it, very dead, and presented it to me. I had a bird fly in through the back door one summer. Free chased it all over the house, even knocking the couch over to get at it perched on the drapes rail. she was always one step ahead of me and ignored everything I said, until she caught it as it swooped low to fly away. this dog can jump 3 feet straight up into the air. she had destroyed most of the living room in the process. including breaking a few lamps.... she got it, and then proudly presented it to me. it was too late to save the poor thing after all that......

when you're fast asleep at 5 am, and your hound starts banging her tail on the door (the one that has given you multiple leg bruises) because she wants to go out, she heard/smelled/saw something out there -and if you dont respond she licks your whole face until you do. when your cooking dinner, and both the lab and hound come in and sit, lay down, give paw, without being told to, because they like what you're cooking, so you give them some. they will ignore these same commands under any other circumstance.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

well, since ai own both, here is my take on the Lab and Foxhound.... MOST Labs fit into those categories, but not all. "CAN BE" is a definitive with Labs, because they have been touted for way too long as the "perfect family dog"....also "requires training" should be listed, because they do. they are wild if not trained properly, they are not trustworthy off leash if not trained properly, and they can become aggressive if not trained. "Shy" is not a general trait, unless something bad has happened to this dog. "affable" is more accurate. but they need serious obedience training, even if they never hunt a day in their lives. Foxhounds - I noticed you did not put anything for how they are with children...hounds in general are "usually" good with kids (depending on training, like all dogs) they are mellow creatures at heart, most dont have an aggressive bone in their body unless they have been treated badly or are mixed with a guardian type dog. also, it is wrong to suggest that they will only be good out in the country. I live in a cit environement. I have a retired hound, an 80 x 60 back yard, and another dog fro her to romp with. thats all it takes. for special treats we go run along the river in the woods. there are fox back there. she trails them and bays her fool head off. she's never caught one, that requires a pack, and Free is not interested. so some changes are definitely needed to this document

actually, an even worse smell convinced Kyle I was right. One of his friends was petting Ford on the belly, and got sprayed.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Kyle was like "God, thats awful!! will he always do that?" "yep. no way around it without getting him 'done'" "when can we take him in?" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

welcome back Crested!!! good to hear from you again! as far as the inbreeding issue, yes, wolves do inbreed in the wild, but in most cases like was mentioned if the cubs cant survive on their own they are allowed to die. harsh, but necessary in a harsh life. my take on inbreeding...I dont like it.Genetics is an iffy subject with some people, but I feel that the smaller the gene pool, the more defects, diseases, temperament problems and generalhealth issues are going to be seen in future generations. remember, the french and british royalty inbred to keep their lines pure, and it caused bleeding issues, inabilty to stand sunlight, downs syndrome type problems, a whole host of health issues until it was discovered why it was happening.

we all thought he was a she when we got him. no sexual organs yet, and the guy Kyle got him from said it was a female. I just kinda accepted that, until he "matured".....Kyle never even noticed, I did while he was sleeping on his back (talk about full of himself, he was sleeping on his back on the couch in between two very large dogs...not the least bit intimidated by them) and I pointed it out to him and said "They gotta go...." he argued with me about it, but on that vote I stood firm and said "GOING!" and they did. He likes to tell me I de-manned him...(he's only kidding, he understood my reasons) and I usually tell him "same can be done for you if you dont watch out...." its an ongoing joke here.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

well, I told him how I feel about it, and he says Brandi (the girlfriend) loves Ford and really wants to take him with. as far as care, Kyle does feed and take care of him. he's been good about that. and he does play with Ford every day. I told him I felt that Ford would not be happy alone,since he is used to being around other animals. Kyle is thinking about that right now. I think if he decides to take Ford, then I will take him and Brandi to the shelter, and pick out another kitty to give them as a housewarming present, and I'll pay for the adoption and neutering fees if not already done.... that makes me feel better. I dont think he'll be happy alone all day while they're at work, since he is used to being around other critters all the time. I also told him Ford could come back here anytime, if it doesnt work out. and they could bring the other kitty here too. I'm such a sucker for an animal....