courtnek

ok in small words..bitch wars are not uncommon for two female dogs int he same house. mine do it all the time. all you can is pick a term and teach it to them (mine is KNOCK IT OFF NOW) and enforce it. they stop. they dont follow the same set of pack rules as males...

I LIKE this guy....I DONT CARE what he wears.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

of course you are!! so am I, and any female who alpha's the pack. this is not a bad thing, the dogs are actually thanking you, in their way, for being the top dog and still paying attention to them 8)

[quote name='newfiemom']Good girl Kes!!! I swear they know who they can trust and who they can't.[/quote] yea they do, and these kids may not have been as innocent as they seemed...keep that in mind Kat, cuz even at only 15 they can still be problem childs. good job Kes!! trust your dogs instincts... 8)

this is a loving gesture in a wolf. they snuggle together for warmth and put paws on each other as if joining hands. my dogs do it too. this is not a dominance behavior, but a request for affection. other dogs arent hurt by it as we are. its used especially in the pack when the dominant alpha "mingles" with the lesser ranks. they will put paws on him/her to let him/her know that they are aware of his/her status and appreciate the affection he/she is showing them. not a bad thing by any means. 8)

by his description of himself, I think I want to have an affair :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: dont panic Alan, just kidding.... 8)

yes you are correct. and the wholesale slaughter of wolves has pissed me off for decades, which is why I STILL fight it.... nature provided for predators and prey. we screwed the offset..and now we have deer getting hit routinely by cars, causing mass destruction and human and deer deaths... I was coming home from a shooting range (yes,I target shoot) and a deer had been hit by a car...and was not only stopping traffic, but looking miserably in pain and trying to get up. couldnt. both front legs were broken by the impact. I called AC. they couldnt have anyone there for at least an hour. I told them I had a gun, could I put this poor creature out of its misery? they asked the cop on the scene. he said it was hopeless, and the poor creature was in terrible pain. they asked for the number on my FOID card. I gave it to them. they ran the check, and said "put him down. we will pick him up later" so I did. a clean shot right between the eyes. he died instantly. he would not have survived, and I couldnt leave him there in pain... I took a lot of grief for that....but it was the humane thing to do... :cry:

mitigating circumstances make all the difference. X got bit because he put himself in the middle of a bitch war, the wrong thing for a child to do. Mine go at it, same scenario, but once stomp on the floor and a loud KNOCK IT OFF! NOW!! sets them straight. X was not the Alpha, and I was one who said dont put Asim down, work with them to realize who runs the show. we as people have a bad habit of treating our dogs like people in furry coats. X's mom realized it once it was pointed out, and her dogs are now very well controlled and not fighting. it all comes down to what the owner of the dog is willing to do to make sure this doesnt happen. we sometimes expect people to do things they simply dont know how to do...honestly, how many people here realized the workings of pack rules before coming here? and how many have benefited by it by being here? one poster tonight said she loved me, I had solved her barking problem. the suggestion I gave her was nothing more than what a mom wolf/dog would do to a pup that wouldnt be quiet. in the wild, quiet is everything. we have to realize that our dogs never reach the maturity of wolves. they remain puppylike their whole lives. thats how they must be treated. there are exceptions, like poor Pepper, but his beginnings were horrid and he could not be trained. most arent like that. so in my opinion it all depends on circumstances, and the severity of the bite. If my child was mauled, the dog would be put down, to benefit my child and the psychological problems that could erupt. a nip? no. I would have that dog doing flips over furniture to pay for it. thats me. my take. 8)

Pups, you made the hard decision, and the right one. you exhausted all of your options truly trying to help Pepper, without setting your son and family in harms way. this is for the best. I am proud of your son, and please tell him so. His actions tell me he wont let this scar him, and he will move on and still care for animals. what a sweetheart, to want to play one more game... I wish there were sterner laws for dealing with people like Peppers first owners, who apparently hurt him in ways that were not correctable. He will wait for you and your son at the bridge. No harm, no foul. this was for the best for everyone lots of <<<<<hugs>>>>> to you and your son, and Pepper, now free to never hurt again. 8)

whats one or two dogs, between friends??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ok I see your point. they have run roughshod over you, and I understand. I am Court there. PM me if you need help, but trust me. If you really need help, without all the bashing, come here. I TRY to help newbies there with real problems. but there is no real sync. for Sync, come here. 8)

no. its not punishment. its pack training. rarely do wolves ever actually get punished in a pack. they get "corrected", they are warned, they are are snapped at, they are isolated....punishment in a pack is not pretty... they get rolled, bitten and sometimes killed. real punishment is often death in a pack... all of that can be avoided, with correction. PM me if you need help please. 8)

Pups, you didnt answer my question..was a complete bloodwork and brain scan done? If it is something curable, its up to your vet to check and diagnose. Lymes can be treated, some brain tumors can...if you are not able or not willing to do this, then the dog needs to be put down. its up to you....I am not slamming you, just looking for the best outcome for everyone...

if exercise is a given, and with a runner that usually is, consider a lab or golden. I dont normally advocate labs, but you are here and we can help you. labs need exercise, discipline and training. they are wonderful dogs to run with, they'll wear out the runner!!! make sure he is trained, obedient and he will make an excellent running companion. they are good running alongside bikes as well... when trained well and exercised they make excellent house dogs as well 8)

not shake, hold. just grab by the nape, hold firmly and stare in the face. give the same command every time. do not release until the dog has complied, just repeat the command. some will squirm, shake and try to get loose. dont let go. stare and command. once they've obeyed, then make them sit, and treat. it takes time, but they get it. 8)

for the hard core barkers, grab by the nape (loosely, dont hurt) and stare at them, in the face directly. say SILENCE and do not look away until they do. this sounds harsh to some, but doesnt hurt them and its how a dog mom would do it.

frozen socks/cloths, and ICE....they love ice, and you can buy unsalted chicken and beef broth, and make ice with it. they love it, and it helps with both pain and needing to loosen the teeth so they fall out.

well, I wont answer all the questions, just the ones that apply to me. I dont breed, dont buy from BYB's, but I have nothing against good, reputable breeders. I wish everyone who wanted a dog would adopt one from a shelter or rescue, but in reality that will never happen. I prefer totry to convince people to check out their breeder, see mom and dad, and the conditions at the kennel, before making a decision. as far as the other stuff... I have a very large totally fenced in yard, that I can see from my desk and the kitchen. I leave my dogs out there when I am home, because they like to be outside. I work full time, while I'm gone they're in the house. so weekends in the yard are a joy to them. my neighbors all have dogs and they all run the fences together. I take them for walks and to the river for new experiences and running time. I walk them on harnesses. Free pulls like a dickens. I treat my dogs like family, but only to a point. They are not allowed to get uppity with me, to growl, snarl or refuse to release something I want to take away. aint gonna happen. I've been called a "hard-ass" by many people because of that, but I train by pack rules. I firmly believe they are animals, not people in furry coats, and MUST, for everyones safety and welfare (including theirs) be treated as such, and dominated as such. however, in my defense, I have NEVER been bitten by a dog. mine, or anyone elses....I have never beaten a dog, or even had to consider it, because mine dont step over the lines I have drawn....and yes, they love me. I dont object to people training their dogs with other methods, I find this one works for me. Mine can sleep on the furniture, because if I say OFF they get off. I noticed some of the comments to HF, but she does basically the same thing, and has dogs with issues, problems and 9 of them. that is a pack, plain and simple, and need to be controlled with pack rules. my take.

you need to train in a "SILENCE" command. when they start up, yell SILENCE and stare at them - hard....when they quiet down, give them a short obedience run (sit, lay down) and then special treats. after a while you can stop the obedience run."silence" alone will quiet them down,and then they can be treated just for that. Laurel was making me, Kyle and the neighbors nuts baying at the squirrels (I feel the heartache of the 2 beagles.....sheessshhhh) so we started her with this. I let her bay at strange noises, but not squirrels anymore. 8)

I had Pushy at the vet in his carrier, the plastic ones with not a lot of viewing room, and someone asked me if he was a Potbellied Pig.... :lol:

well, not necessarily, and here's why. Now Kitty, dont get upset, but you have a pack problem with this dog. He should NEVER growl at you, whether you be putting on a leash or taking his food out from under him. I mean NEVER......he may have been perfectly behaved at training, because the trainer is recognized as high above him in the hiearchy, and thats what he needs most. leave his leash on him inside at all times. find a place for "time out"...in another room where you can enclose him either behind a baby gate, or tether his leash to a chair. when he disobeys, try regular commands such as "sit", "lay down"...run him thru a short obedience course. treat him when he obeys, the better the behavior, the better the treat. hot dogs and cheese work well in this scenario. if he GROWLS at YOU, about ANYTHING....time out. seperate him from you and everyone else, and leave him there, minimum of 15 minutes. the worst punishment in a pack is isolation. it is the one thing that tells them straight out "I screwed up..." you need to be alpha to this dog, without hurting him. its safer for everyone that way.

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now here I have to disagree. I dont think wolves consider us so much "predators", (used in the term as someone who hunts them to survive) as in "competition"...most predators tend to avoid each other, and try to not walk on another predator's turf....an instinct we dont have. we are the ultimate competition, and dont play by normal predatory rules. in some situations, one predator may take over another's territory, but you can bet its because prey is minimal, and its do or die in those situations. survival of the fittest is not just a term, its a reality. remember though, that it is commonly believed that the wolf chose to join us,not the other way around. we had food, fire, and warmth. it was a long time coming, but eventually both parties realized they could benefit by joining forces. however, its not the same as with a dog. wolves joined us, but didnt necessarily trust us. they made out from the deal, as we did by using their superior hearing and smell capabilities to protect us. but it wasnt the same as a dog/human interaction. dogs have been mellowed by breeding, and by continual contact with people. wild wolves have not. not to say it cant happen, but they are still more wild then tame, and for that reason, IMO, do NOT make good housepets for JQP. 8)

U guys crack me up. I am laughing so hard I'm crying..... "Amen" simply means "I believe"...so not necessarily religious, so go for it K! :lol: :lol: :lol: actually Kitty, you want to see what REAL infighting looks like? Spend some time on Petfinder.....man those people will sometimes rip you a new one if you disagree with them. its much nicer here, in my opinion. yea, we spar, but it doesnt usually get to nasty levels, and everyone is entitled to their opionion... and besides, anyone who gets out of line too badly gets K-slapped...being the recipient of some of those, trust me, you dont want to go there.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

and this part of the reason why beagles, foxhounds, greyhounds end up in shelters...no one looked into why they behave the way they do... :evil: