Crystal

I must say the opposite on min-pins. We had two when I lived at home. They were great dogs. One died. The other is still living and he is great little dog. He plays with my kids. My son prefers him because he is small. Toby is to big for my son he scares him silly. Just in my expierence though.

:klacz: for courtnek. Great post. I have learned alot about dogs and the pack rules since being here. Perfect post, you are so great.

:cry: I'm in tears for your family. I know this was no easy choice. Your son is very sweet and even though he may not realize it now, what you did for pepper took alot of courage. You let her go and let her out of what miserable past she had. Now she can be at peace. I'm so sorry for your loss and I hope your family can cope through this hard time. I must tell you I very much respect you and the way you handled your situation. You tried harder than anyone I have ever seen. God bless you and your family.

[quote=Xena&Buddy'smom]Small town country vets are lazy I swear lol[/quote] Yes they are!!!! They still usually know what they are talking about though. Is there a place you can put the garbage that she can't get it. In a room with a closed door, trash can under a cabinet or something.

Good Luck, hope the vet can tell you if it was just the garbage or not.

Well, I don't know anything you can do for her. Good Luck and hope she feels better.

What was in that garbage, anything that could have poisoned her? Maybe call the vet, I would be scared if I didn't know exactly what was in there.

[quote name='IlBLisSlI']I may lack common courtesy but at least I would never put being a compassionate pet owner over being a responsible parent.[/quote] That's great, neither would I. I just don't think attacking her parenting skills was called for. You haven't been to her house, you don't know what she is doing to prevent this. In going back and rereading I found this. [quote name='PupsMom']I called him again alittle while ago and he is going to take Pepper for a week and see if he can make any progress with her. He told me he thinks its unlikely that he can but he said he would try. He also told me to prepare to make a descion if this does not work meaning to have her put down [/quote] Some suggested putting the dog down or seeing a behaviorist first. Which after seeing the above quote it looks like the dog is with the behaviorist now. I think she is being very responsible by doing this. She is also preparing herself for what happens if the behaviorist can't help. It appears that most likely the dog will be put to sleep, but she very responsibly tried to help. I think she did the best she was able and didn't jump into putting the dog down before all options were exhausted. I never saw her say anything about not taking the advice she recieved her. In fact she did just that.

From the main website [quote]ALL PUPPIES ARE AVAILABLE FOR APPROVED NON BREEDING PET OR PERFORMANCE HOMES FOR $900.00 U.S.[/quote] :evil: They are in it for money. Panda Shepherds, HA, People will do anything for money. Poor dogs I wonder if the even end up in good homes. I love it when there is a "new breed" to look at, NOT. :roll:

[quote name='IlBLisSlI'][quote name='Crystal'] When dogs are puppies or even grown and playing they bite, it happens. To another dog it is accecptable.(not talking as severe as the bite that started this thread) This is part of a dog, they bite and play. Sorry, Drew this time you are way off. I mean this two things are no where near the same. [/quote] Crystal are you honestly trying to tell me that a dog mauling a sleeping child is just "playing"? .[/quote] You quote me and then asked that question when in the quote it says..."(not talking as severe as the bite that started this thread)" NO I never said this dog was playing. I said your comparison makes no sense. It bite the child totally unprovoked, and that is a BAD thing. The dogs need to be seen by specialists and the decision of what to do should be made from there. This was never a question of if the dog was playing. My only problem was your insulting her parenting skills. I think she did a responsible thing by seeking advice. Do you honestly think if you insult people they will listen to you better? Most people just get mad and don't pay attention to you after you treat them this way. You catch more flies with HONEY than with VINEGAR. Don't you think your opinion would be considered more if you worded things in a way that people didn't take so much offense too? Or maybe you don't care. You just wish to be heard. You can tell the truth about a situation and get your opinon across without being so rude. You lack common courtesy.

[quote name='IlBLisSlI']Alright lets put a new spin on this... let’s say that your husband came home one day and stabbed your kids while they were sleeping. Granted he didn't kill them, just stabbed them a few times to the point where they had to go to the ER. Would you think it was wise to stay with your husband after that? I mean it only happened one time and maybe it'll never happen again if he gets some behavioral training... but then again maybe it will happen again. Do you think its good parenting to put your kids at risk in that way?[/quote] Oh yeah this is so totally the same thing. :lol: I know you aren't trying to be but you are hilarious. I'm sorry, but People and Dogs are not equal. When dogs are puppies or even grown and playing they bite, it happens. To another dog it is accecptable.(not talking as severe as the bite that started this thread) This is part of a dog, they bite and play. Never have I in my entire life seen little kids running around stabbing one another with a knife being an acceptable sort of play. Atleast not in my part of the country, I suppose it's different in Florida??? :roll: Sorry, Drew this time you are way off. I mean this two things are no where near the same. I'm not saying that this dog should never be put down, I'm just saying I see why she wants to help the dog if she can. I think it is better to help if at all possible. If she is taking the proper steps to seperate her son and the dog while having the dog seen by a specialist and a vet (which I don't know if she is) then why call her a bad parent. Your just jumping at her throat when you don't know the situation as of now. Nor do I, but I am giving her the benefit of the doubt that after the bad bite she is being super careful. Maybe she isn't, but I doubt that seriously. Now if she leaves this dog and her son alone while she is off in another room or runs out for a minute then yes she is lacking in proper parenting and dog owning responsibiltiy. I just don't think you should insult someone's parenting skills when you are not in there shoes and do not know how she is handling things.

A dog attacking a child that is sleeping is a valid reason to have a dog put down. I was saying that some people do it for stupid reasons. I've seen people do it with there hunting dogs because they were not as good as they used to be. Most caring people would try other things before resorting to this. I think she is just trying to exhaust all options before killing her pet. The dog needs help this is true, it may not be able to be helped. There may be something seriously wrong that can't be fixed, but I'm not going to call someone a bad parent for wanting to help the dog if they can. This has to be a tough situation for her, I just don't think insulting her parenting skills is going to accomplish anything.

I don't think her parenting skills are in question here. She is looking for help and trying to do the best thing she can for her son and her dog. No one wants to put an animal down. She was looking for another route other than that. I don't blame her for that one. I actually respect that she is caring enough to look for an alternative. Some people have dogs put down for stupid reasons. I think if she decided to put the dog down it would be for valid reasons, but she is trying to help the dog without having it die. I think that is great, but in all honesty the dog may end up put to sleep anyway. There may be no help for it, but she can try. As long as she keeps the dog and her son seperated while trying her options then who is she hurting. I don't think it's right to question her parenting skills. ~JMO~

Glad buddy is ok. Dogs and Kids are the same in the sneaky aspect. I'm overprotective about that big time with my kids. I never assume anyone other than myself is watching them. Drives some of the family nuts, they think I don't trust them. Better safe than sorry. I've started being that way with Toby too. Even when Brad is playing with him outside I am usually watching to make sure he stays in the yard.

Every situation is different and must be evaluated accordingly. It all depends on when, why, who, how bad the bite was, and if they are small children in the home. I believe most dogs deserve a second chance, but that depends on the severity of the bite. If it is just a nip or quick bite that only leaves a small mark and doesn't draw blood I would say try again. But on the other hand if the dog bit a child unprovoked and brought blood or the bite required stitches I can't say what I would do. I think it is worth trying a behaviorist, but I could not allow the dog around the child for quite a while. Each situation is different and each persons situation is different. It would be easier to keep a dog around and work on it if there were no kids involved. It's a tough decision and everyone must make it according to what is best for there family and the dog.

Hey it's fun here. Sometimes things get a little heated possibly, but it is all everyones opinon and honest feelings. It may get heated and may seem like flaming, but when you look back it wasn't. I think we sometimes read with an untrue attitude to a post. It may get crazy at times, but we are all still friends. Aren't we??? I wouldn't change things here for the world and incase you haven't noticed I had my fair share of getting knocked down a notch latley!!! I love most everyone here and they are great.

:lol: That was good

YAY..way to go coutrnek the pittie saviour!!!

Just in my expierence, every dachshund I have ever meet has been evil. I hear alot of them are cranky and yappy. I've heard the occassional good one in the bunch, but the one Brad's cousin had was so rotten. She growled and yapped at anything and everything. No one could ever touch her. They got her for there daughter to play with and that never happened. She was terrified of kids. Just in my expierence though, others may be able to be more helpful.

RIP Gizmo

WOW, I normally am not crazy about poodles, but that one is just the best looking one I've ever seen. They are much better without all the fluff!!! :lol:

Pugs, ahhhhhh, so cute and sweet looking. Don't have much expierence with them, but I used to be crazy about them. A friend of mine had one, and it was the greatest little dog. I must go read about them myself. Gotta learn!!! I love the way this is going, talking and discussing and really working to find what is perfect for you life. You are going to be a great dog owner. Good Luck in your hunt for the perfect pooch.

She could have been born with some kind of mental instability or something. Chemical inbalance? I don't know, but I know most dogs aren't that way so there must be something giong on. Good Luck

Nobody said "put that dog to sleep" We were just saying if we were in that situation that is what we feel we would have done. I do say seek a professionals opinion first, but a bite that requires stitches is a bad bite. Don't just jump and have the dog put down, seek professional help first if you can. Sorry if you thought we we were leaving you with no other options. That was just our well atleasat my opinion if I were in that situation. (guess I should say us, others may not feel this way)

Oh I want to add a couple of things. First Welcome to dogo. Next please please please, not saying that you do, never ever leave your son(and/or any other kids you may have or will be around) and your dog alone together. That is a disaster waiting to happen. If you can't be right there to watch them you need to take the kid with you or put the dog in a crate or closed room.