Queen Bitch

Congrats Kat and Meg!

Oh god, it drives me batty! A guy I used to date had a Pug that would lick his jeans or socks or whatever else was sweaty and gross. ( He was a bike messenger( the guy was, not the Pug :lol: ), so there was a lot of sweat.) I put anything of mine that I wasn't currently wearing, like uh......socks.......up on top of the dresser and would usually get up and move all of his stuff too. Fortunately it isn't hard to put dirty clothes out of a Pug's reach. I could deal with the snorts and snores and other sounds that he made ( the dog this time, not the guy, though he snorted and snored too :wink: .) but oh god, anything but the licking. I also hate being licked by a dog. I can stand a few licks to the hand but anything else, arg. But my reason for that is because it gives me hives, I don't mind the licking itself, but the aftermath of it.

[quote name='K'] "You should not be making it walk/run/jump/play/live they are not meant for that" [/quote] Oh lord that live part at the end cracked me up. :grins: :evillaugh: :evil_lol:

Funny Nea, I'd think that you'd get "Is he a black Golden Retriever?" I actually heard that at the dog show I was at this summer. The sporting group was up and some woman pointed and said " Oh look honey it's a black Golden. We should get one." This was as the dog was standing next to the sign that said "Flat Coated Retriever." :roll:

Turns out the pup is 4 weeks, a little better than 2, but not by much. This girl is in Los Angeles ( I'm in northern Minnesota, I just know her through the board.) so the authorites there probably will care. The vet "prescribed" a formula and I guess she's taking to it well. I'm giving her a bunch of links to various things, including the ASPCA, AKC, and MinPin Club of America and encouraging her to register complaints with them all. I'm also going to tell her to check out the advice here and any other thing I can possibly think of.

Oh yeah , I loved it when I was asked "Are you sure?" Conar has also been mistaken for a Great Pyrenese. He may be bigger than the average Sammy, but he's still shaped like one, even if he doesn't bother to exert the effort to carry his tail up unless he is running, he is L-A-Z-Y. ( I usually refer to him as my dog shaped throw rug. :lol: )

Thanks for the input SRC and I totally agree with you Newfiemom, but I don't think there is any other option in this case so I want to give her the best advice for the situation, even if it isn't the best situation. Since she is going to keep the pup , I want to try to give her the best advice possible for raising it into the best dog it can be. She's already said that she will be taking it into the vet for weekly checkups, so I do think there is hope for her doing other extra things for the pup as well. I fear that even if it did go back to the "breeder" that it would be gone the next day to someone who wouldn't bother with the weekly visits to the vet, much less anything else. So in addition to recomending a behaviourist, what else can I tell her to do? I still think and HOPE that there was miscommunication about the age, it looked older than 18 days in the picture.

Ok since I was inspired by SPG's post, what sort of dumb or silly questions have you been asked about your dog by people? I used to get asked if my dog Ivan, a very well(read muscular and thickly) built Dalmatian was part Rottie. "Well he's too wide to be purebred." " What's wrong with your Dalmatian? His spots are the wrong color." me--- He is a liver spotted Dalmatian. "No they are SUPPOSED to be black spotted and his are brown. He can't be purebred, he HAS to be part Chocolate lab." I know I've got a couple more,but let's see what you guys have while I remember.

Well she said that she had brought it to the vet and the vet said it was in good shape. She did say that she was bringing it back every week to be checked up on. I highly doubt that the socalled breeder would take it back in any event, if they allowed it to leave that early in the first place. I do think that the puppy is older than it was stated as being. I am of course giving her as much advice as I can. So on that note, any advice for raising an "abandoned" puppy so it can be as normal as possible?

A girl on another forum I go to says she just got a puppy that is 18 days old! :o From a breeder :o :o I saw a picture and it doesn't look like it's that young. It isn't a "lump" like most pups look at that age. It looks like it is either a Min Pin or a Chi ( it fits on her hand) If it is actually that young, what care would she have to perform to ensure that it grows up well? What age do puppies elimination functions still need to be expresseed for them? ( That also might help nail down the age)

Also Cryzanna, that dog in the picture was from working Border Collie lines, show Border Collies do tend to look a bit more like the dog in the commercial and are a little bit thicker in the body and rounder in the face, and the markings of that pattern can very quite a bit. That being said, it's entirely possible that it was Border Collie mix. There are quite a few dogs that have mixed parentage that can look like a purebred. :lol: Glad I could help you narrow it down though.

Get well soon , honey dog.

[quote name='Elle']...eliminate some of the genetic blundering. Don't be a hypocrite.[/quote] [quote name='Elle']the breeder I purchased my mix from, altho I can't vouch for the genetic tests, did fulfill all the other guidelines you listed[/quote] Can you tell me how those two quotes don't totally oppose each other? If the breeder isn't testing for genetic problems, wouldn't that fit the definition of genetic blundering to a "T"?

And a beautiful hero she is. I'm assuming she got the dinner of her choice? Or perhaps the more desirable cuddle of a lifetime. Good girl Chole, we're proud of you.

[quote name='Elle']quite humorous, imho. Purebred buyers seem to think they are privledged in a class of their own. Their reasons for purchasing seem to be ok for THEM - I so far have read basically "I bought a purebred because I WANT...". My opinion is that if you have bought a purebred then you have absolutely no right to express a negative opinion about anyone who buys a mixed. You can of course have your opinion, but how dare you assume the RIGHT to judge anyone else for doing the exact same thing you're doing. A purebred owner justifying her reasons for purchasing a purebred admitted to already having owned others who died too early due to poor genetics. Geesh. Duh. Guess what - it's cause all the purebred buyers are also encouraging breeders to breed the genetically inferior purebreds. If you insist on purchasing a dog, you should instead encourage an effort to mix MORE breeds to eliminate some of the genetic blundering. Don't be a hypocrite.[/quote] How has ANYONE implied they were in a privledged class of their own hmm? Anyone who purchases or gets ANY dog gets it because they WANT it, including you my dear. Not one of us have slammed on mixed breeds, just the people who are trying to sell hope to someone about something that doesn't exist. If you have not noticed, we are here because we love all dogs, not just our own breed(s), if that was the case we would be on a breed specific forum. If you had read what I wrote and referred you to in my other post, you'd also see that I want to rescue as well. Yes, I had two dogs die too early because of bad genes. Saying I "admitted" that makes you sound like you are saying it's my fault and that I should be ashamed for some reason about it. How DARE you try to pin the blame on me for that for "encouraging the breeding of genetically inferior purebreds". I was a kid when we got them and they came from a very irresponsible breeder who didn't give a flying fLIck about her animals. One of the dogs in question was pretty dam neglected, covered with bug bites, tied out in horrible heat with no shelter from the elements at all. Gee, sounds like we saved his life and allowed him to live out the rest of it safe and loved. Oh and did I mention two of our other purebreds living til the age of 15, by and far exceeding their life expectancy? Or how about our two other dogs that were mixed breeds that had horrible temperments? A dog is a dog is a dog, be it purebred or mixed. And I love them all,I just don't love the people who breed indiscriminately, whether they are breeding "fashion mutts", like the ones we are discussing or purebreds. Hmmmmm mixing breeds to eliminate genetics blundering... how about careful selection of breeding stock to breed out those problems instead? I think that's a much better idea than just throwing any two random dogs together for reasons of "hybrid vigor". In order to do what you are suggesting, wouldn't the sire and dam have to be perfect examples of health in the first place? Mixed breeds have ALL the same health issues that purebreds do, genetics are funny that way, it's not just the good ones that get passed down. If mixed breeds were screened and tested for all the things that purebreds are, guess what you'd find? But because they aren't it is ASSUMED by some uneducated people that they are indeed healthier. If you are going to accuse us of being hypocrites and such, do you think you could please step off your high horse before doing so?

[quote name='SexxieRacerChik'] And what purpose are they serving? They are being developed as hypo allergenic animals. Because the animals they are being bred from are considered that, but as Hillside stated are not "truly" hypo allergentic...but isn't that how the current breeds were formed? From trial and error, to see what combinations worked? I mean the doberman has atleast 10 breeds in it...[color=red] But they are trying to do something that really is totally impossible. No amount of breeding can produce an animal that is actually hypoallergenic. There is no combination on earth that can produce that.[/color] How are these new breeds, bred with a purpose..the hypo allergentic quality..any different at this stage in its developement any different from any other dog that is the result of several breeds being crossbred against each other in teh past to get what we have today? [color=red] Because there are already breeds that serve the purpose they are breeding for, several in fact. [/color] You say there are already breeds that fit this profile..same can be said for any of the terrier group or toy...they all were bred for pretty much the same purpose. And I don't hear anyone saying they shouldn't be bred anymore..because there are so many and they don't perform their function anymore...I don't know too many dogs being used to kill vermin or badgers anymore. Maybe people don't want a small dog because of their allergies..there aren't very many big dogs that fit this criteria..I would think a lab or golden would fall close to that[color=red] So are you saying a Standard Poodle is a small dog? In addition to Standard Poodles, if someone wants a bigger dog that fits that bill they have a couple more options, what about the Portuguese Water Dog or some of the other "non shedding" breeds? And really ,it's not their hair that causes the allergic reaction; it's the dander, saliva, or urine. Even short-haired pets have dander. Nonshedding dogs such as Poodles still drool and lick themselves, and saliva can be just as likely as dander to trigger nasal allergies.[/color] ...and these dogs don't have the same coat type as their parents...the golden version doesn't have a long coat to tend to..[color=red] So is a Poodle that'sbeen shaved down. If it is grooming costs that are the trouble, it's easy enough to learn how to shave your dog yourself. [/color]it's short and curly.[color=red] In some of the pups of the litter it is, but when I watched the Designer Dogs show that was on tv a while back, even in thier litters ( and they have been doing this for quite a while) there was still a large difference between pups of the same litter.[/color] Also, when you breed the "hypoallergentic" animals together with a non hypoallergenic, even though the 2 seperate animals aren't fully hypoallergenic, who knows how the offspring will be of the crosses?[color=red] Exactly, it's a crapshoot.[/color] Thats why you do research on them...I'm sure there were alot of dead ends on the road to creating several of the breeds out today before they came to be what they are today. ...they would ask that the prospective new owner hang out with the dog for 30-60 minutes then go home and see how they responded before their purchase. [color=red] As far as my personal expierence goes, my allergies are far worse around the Retriever breeds than just about any other and my allergy to dogs is by no means severe. I think it is because of their coat type. Not because it is long, at least in the case of Goldens or Flatties, but because it is rather oily. I have a Samoyed that I barely react to at all and let me tell you he is one fluffy boy.( I'll try to get a picture of him for you soon, he's a beauty. :wink: ) I've also heard from others that they have the same reaction. So I wonder why they use Retrievers. :hmmmm: [/color] [/quote]

[quote name='Elle']I'm sorry, I don't remember who asked the question, but imo, it's a very legitimate question that needs answered by ALL owners of purebreds who purchased their dogs, who did NOT find them at a shelter: WHY did you PURCHASE a purebred?[/quote] I think some of this has been answered in the debate forum under "Is dogo anti purebred", but I'll take a stab at this one here to keep things rolling. I as to date have not had "my own" dog. All of my dogs have been family pets. I am, as we speak, in the process of writing out a letter of inquiry to a breeder about her dogs. My reasons for buying a dog versus going to the pound or through a breed rescue are: I have wanted to show dogs since I was 5 or 6. I feel extremely lucky that I can fulfill one of my childhood dreams, not many people can. How many firefighters, ballerinas or Astronauts do you see running around? Not as many as you would have in elemantary school I'll bet. My dog will be first and foremost a beloved pet, but a pet that I want to do very specific things. To be shown in conformation a dog must be intact since the whole purpose is to exhibit your breeding stock, whether or not you have any intentions of breeding, which I don't, but I can't change those rules, so I'll just have to follow them eh?. I have seen many dogs in rescues that could have been champions if thier paths in life had been different. If it were possible to go through a rescue and be able to get my dog that way, that would be great, but it's not. I want something specific. I want to know what my pretty much what my dog will act and look like. Dals, like all dogs, have various health problems that turn up and I'll feel better knowing the rough odds are lower of any of those things occuring in my dog because of careful breeding. I lost two previous dogs to inheirted health problems much earlier than I would have liked. I'd like to not have to go through that again. I know there isn't such a thing as a full guarentee though. I have decided on Dalmatians mainly because I grew up with them, but I also made a list of all the things that I wanted from my dog. I wanted a dog that was somewhat large. I wanted a dog that was smart and easy to train. I wanted a dog that was friendly yet protective, but I don't want a "guard dog". I wanted a dog that was versatile so I could do various activities with it. I wanted a dog that was outgoing , not an aloof dog. There were a couple other things on my list as well, but a Dalmatian fit all those things to a "T". They are a medium/big dog. They are friendly, but are naturally somewhat protective until the "new guy" gets the okay from mom and dad. They are smart and easy to train if you know what they will work for. They are versatile, just as at home running around the ring as they are running next to you or doing agility or whatnot. They are very outgoing with their family and are total "love pups". In addition to my list, my boyfriend had a couple of his own requirements: He wants a dog that will be happy to see him when he gets home, one that he will feel is a deterrent to intruders when he's not home, one that will bring him his slippers :lol: , one that he can do "doggie stuff" with ( fetch, wrestleing etc) and he doesn't like cropped ears. So a Dal fits the bill on his side too.

[quote name='SexxieRacerChik'][quote]Do you know what I have heard about the "-oodle" and "-poo" dogs? That they have been made for allergics so that all allergics can have a dog without any problems. [/quote] I was under the impression of that's where the Bichon Frise and Mexican Hairless (and a few others) came from..for those reason's..because they are meant to be "hypoallergenic" dogs??? LMAO though...I seriously could not walk up and tell someone I had a Schnoodle dog..that just sounds, well, lol very silly..atleast give the dogs a normal name instead of making it sound like a cookie (snickerdoodle). I think people would take the animals and breeder's a little more seriously if they didn't make the names sound like a gimick/fad. [color=red] Why shouldn't the names sound like a gimmick or fad? That is exactly what they are. [/color] All dogs come from mixing different types together over a period of years...God didn't make all these different breeds from the beginning you know. Each dog breed out there was created, from many type breeds, for man to enjoy...how is this any different? [color=red] It's different because there are ALREADY breeds that fit those requirements.[/color] Is it so wrong for someone who is highly allergic to dogs to want a pet that doesn't send them into sneezing fits? Or where they have to constantly take medication to prevent them from having a allergic reaction? [color=red] Some breeds may cause less reaction in allergy sufferers than others but NO dog is hypoallergenic. It's not wrong for somebody to want what you described, I, myself have allergies to various things, including a slight allergy to dogs. Not much but I will hive up if I am licked or brushed up on by a wet dog. Dry dogs don't really bother my allergies. I have the same reaction to the "hypoallergenic" breeds too. They are by no means a "cure all" , they are still an animal after all. If a person wants an animal THAT much, I think they'd be willing to put up with the medication and/or allergy shots if it's THAT important to them. What I don't understand is why people breed these mixes. let's use Labradoodles for this example. What traits are they getting from the Lab that don't already exist in a Poodle? Poodles are friendly and smart and easy to train. They were bred to be retrievers. They already don't shed. They come in colors that are comparable to the Lab. Poodles come in sizes that can fit into just about any household. Perhaps "just plain Poodles" carry too much of a "frilly" stigma?[/color] Is it so wrong for them to want a dog like this that they can go back and have health guarentee's and such on just like your purebred pet? [color=red] That's the whole thing though, these aren't breeds, yeah they may have some health testing done, but these people can't guarentee too much more about them. They can't guarentee that they won't shed or cause reactions, there are still to many discrepencies between dogs in the same litter to do that. It takes way more than a year or two or more to develop predictable, reliable results in puppies. I think that it's pretty dam horrible and totally irresponsible that anyone is touting these animals as hypoallergenic, like I already said, they are still animals and can still cause allergies to react. There is NO SUCH THING as a hypoallergenic animal. Allergies are caused by proteins and every single animal and plant on this earth has them. Allergy sufferers are still going to have some sort of reactions to them, though maybe not as bad as they would normally. [/color] They can't get that at the pound. And most pounds (not rescue's..don't get me wrong here) do not have restriction's on who takes the pet, or make sure they are compatible..they just want the animal out the door and gone. [color=red] Take a guess at where these dogs will end up when the owners allergies flare up despite the "hypoallergenic" qualities.[/color] [/quote]

Heehee. I mean she does look like she could have any sort of spitz in her.

You know, I could swear that Sasha is a Shar Pei/ Spitz mix, isn't she? :wink: Unless my eyes are failing me, I didn't see Peis on the list.

Eureka, found its twin [img]http://www.gis.net/~shepdog/BC_Museum/Permanent/TriJaffaAdult.jpg[/img] The markings aren't refered to as tri, they are called Saddle Patterned.

Happy Birthday Ruby, don't :drinking: too much.

Ok this has been nagging at me a bit. I have read this thread and the other one at the pittie board and RnP, I'm actually a little bit worried about you man. Drey hasn't yet reached full adulthood and Deja is still a pup ( albeit a big one.). Don't you think it may be better to let them grow up a bit and see how they get on as adults before adding yet another dog? Take the time to enjoy Deja and Drey while they are still pups before adding another pup to divide your attention between four dogs and your daughter. I know that you are aware that a dog's temperment can change by extreme measures from puppyhood to adulthood, what happens if you have four dogs that can't be around each other at all? Is your house big enough to safely seperate everyone without driving you crazy, while still giving them all the attention they deserve? It just seems like you have a bad case of puppy fever and are getting dogs at lightening speed. This pup does seem to be from what you described, an impulse buy and I really think you should reconsider it. You said that you can't control your heart and I completely agree, but you can control your actions. I met a Catahoula pup that I fell totally and competely in love with. I thought about him constantly, even had a name picked out ( Dexter to be precise.) He and I connected like I had never connected with a dog before and even the people who were selling him said they had never seen him react to anybody the way he reacted to me and were frankly amazed that this out of control wild pup would calm instantly with me. I even watched other people interact with him to see if they were feeding me a line of bull doody. They weren't. He would be going nuts grabbing pants legs, you know, being a normal bratty puppy. All it would take to calm him down would be my hand on him. I asked other people to do the same things that I did and they didn't work. He was like that with me from the first second I met him. I didn't get him because I wan't in the right "place" to give him the home he deserved. This blue pup is totally adorable, but there will always be another totally adorable squishy faced darling down the road. I'm not trying to get on your case man, I like you and all, but I just honestly don't think it's a good idea right now.

My old roommate, er downstairs neighbor*, went by the name of Drat. He was an amusing guy. I think that would be a perfect name for a pup. * We lived in a split level duplex, Drat and Jesse lived downstairs and my actual roommate Abe and I lived upstairs. I would come home from the rock club/bar between 2-4 in the morning ( from work thank you very much, not just partying) and one of the boys would pop their head out the door as I was walking up the oh-so-noisy metal stairs to ask what I was doing. When I'd say going home, they would tell me no, I was coming over. Many times I would end up sleeping there because I was too tired to go home. :lol: ( and no, there was no funny business going on.) It got to the point where half my stuff was downstairs at their place and half was upstairs. I even had pjs there and food in their fridge. My official roommate wasn't home very much and was obviously surprised the first time I came home in my pjs and carrying my clothes from work. It was an unusal set up for sure, but it was pretty fun.

It's not anything like a Bernese Mt Dog. This dog was long and lean. Seriously this dog looks like a show bred Border Collie ( you know how show bred BCs have the shorter, more squared off muzzle as opposed to the pointy-er working BC muzzle) with a tannish orange head. I seriously doubt that it is an Aussie or a Sheltie, it is too long in the body, Aussies and Shelties are a bit more square eh? My first thought upon seeing said commercial was "Dam that's an unusaully marked Border Collie".