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It always amazes me the person that uses the "Landlord doesn't allow dogs" excuse, so I have to get rid of my dog. There are lots of other places to live or move. I would not give up my dog(s) for anything; nor would I debark them. That is a personal thing, because I am confident in my handling of my dogs. Several of the loud barkers have been taught to "speak silently". It CAN be done. BUT, I have to remember that some people just want the easy way out.

Wildbunch there is nothing sweeter in this world than hearing a Bloodhound bay! Or my Border Collie howl. He has never barked, just howled. It's music.

[quote name='Butterfly']I am anti puppy mills, but they take alot of crap on this board. [b][color=red]So, you are saying the "crap" should not be dealt to the puppy mills? Sure sounds like it. You think we should cut them some slack? Think NOT![/color][/b] I know just as many show breeders who debark. For some reason when you have 30 dogs in a townshouse or 15 in a small apt. your thinking is off. Debarking makes perfect sense to you. [color=darkred][b]Yep, if the barking of 30 or 15 dogs is bothering someone, then MAYBE they shouldn't be living with 30 or 15 dogs in a small area! It is really hard to show all those dogs at the same time. So, please do not even try to say they are ALL being shown! [/b][/color] Puppy mills are usually a distant from close neighbors, they do not care if the dogs bark. They rarely live in the same area (house) with the dogs. It is wise to look before you speak.[/quote]

[quote name='Poofy2']Debarking is not cruel, Debarking is NOT only done by puppy mills, Debarking is NOT only done by drug users/dealer to their pit bulls. Barking in dogs is the end result of the guarding/alert behavior that many breeds, especially herding and guardian breeds ( toy breeds also do this). Dogs do not care if they can bark. [b][color=red]Please tell me how YOU know this?[/color][/b] They do not care how loud their bark is (as that is why deaf dogs bark). [b][color=darkred]Deaf dogs can not hear, therefore; they bark loudly. Dogs can be taught to bark softly, at least mine can and have. I've heard dogs bark softly and very loudly, depending on what they are barking at, the level of their stress, or competition. [/color][/b] Debarking is often done by ***Contentious*** people who do not want their dogs to disturb the neighbors. [b][color=red]Maybe, but it's done because they do not want to take the time to teach the dog not to bark loudly.[/color][/b] Behavior modification, for SOME BREEDS, is IMPOSSIBLE. Yes, in some cases, where barking is due to boredom or to get attention, behavior modification can work...but when it is a genetic trait, in the dog, to act in that way, it is actually CRUEL to try and correct the dog. [color=darkred][b]WHAT? So a genetic trait to bite is cruel to try and correct because the dog doesn't understand? It's the same thing. There are various things that a person can do to get the dog not to bark. [/b][/color] In these cases, the dog does not understand, that he is being corrected for the bark, rather he thinks he is getting corrected for the "behavior" (be it guarding, herding, playing) associated with the bark. [b][color=red]That is the shortcoming of the handler. If done correctly. There are ways to correct a bark without harm to the dog (mentally). Teach the dog to bark on command, then be silent. Teach him to bark softly --- it can be done with patience. [/color][/b] I have seen way too many ruined dogs, where people tried to "train" them not to bark. I have seen way to many dogs, LOOSE their homes and wind up euthenized because of the ignorance associated with debarking. In a perfect world, you would not get a breed prone to barking, if you lived close to neighbors...but many times you move, people move in, development occurs (or the dog you get decides he is a recreational barker)...and suddenly you are not alone. These dogs are much happier debarked, and able to run and "bark" their heads off doing what they were bred and are genetically predispositioned to do, rather then have to sit quietly under the stress of not being able to "dance" the "dance" in fear of correction or displeasure. [b][color=darkred]Even being debarked, MANY still make some sort of noise. NOISE is NOISE to many neighbors, regardless of the level of pitch or decimal. [/color][/b] Collie breeders debark their dogs, because many, many (way to many) collies are recreational barkers....they will walk around happy as a clam bouncing and "guarding" alerting the world NON STOP FOR HOURS ON END. They bark when something moves, they bark when they move, many bark in anticipation of something moving.... These breeders have to live with these dogs...they have to live with their neighbors as well...and it is the kindest thing to human and dog to do. I have known many, many, many debarked dogs of various breeds...none of them were "less" of a dog... Debarking is no more cruel then neutering and spaying to prevent unwanted behaviors that come NATURAL to a dog, such as roaming, leg lifting, humping, dominance behaviors...etc. [b][color=red]Neutering and spaying does NOT stop all these behaviors. It only stops reproduction. Many neutered dogs still mark, still roam, still hump, still display dominance behavior. Many females are still just as dominant as before.[/color][/b] And like neutering and spaying, it cuts down on unwanted dogs in the shelters. [b][color=darkred]That is debatable. MANY dogs still end up at the shelter for lots of other reasons....many times it's the owners inability to manage or handle the dog. [/color][/b] [/quote]

Those Frenchies are adorable.

[quote name='eggrolyn1223']yellowlabs-She's a Lab.But sometimes I wonder if she somehow got some Golden in her.Her hair is longer than most Labs...and yellower than most.All the other Labs I've seen here are white-cream. :-? Hobbit-I don't think she's on a deworming program.Is it supposed to be done by vets or some kind of preventative medicine I could give by myself? :oops: Our vet doesn't usually tell us about stuff...he didn't tell us to give her Heartworm preventative...like our old vet in US did.Could you give me more info on deworming? :oops:[/quote] She is at the age where she should be on a heartworm preventative. The brand you use is up to you and your vet. Heartguard is Ivermectin (keep in mind that this drug has ONLY been approved for cattle, NOT small animals...but is still used); Interceptor is Milbemycin; Sentenial (sp) is Milbemycin and something for fleas (can't think of the name right off hand). If she is on one (a heartworm preventative) that also deworms for Hook, Round and/or Whip worms, then you don't have to use anything else. Unless, she goes somewhere where there is an infestion of worms, then I'd say to deworm her 2 wks after the heartworm pill.

[quote name='gigishiba']I know, I'm a MENTOR, I should KNOW this...and I thought I did. Here's the situations we have with Kenzo and Kika. Kika came in to the house and established being alpha dog. If Kenzo wants to play with Kika, she'll bear teeth at him and sometimes will growl. Kenzo will always back off eventually. Kika doesn't play much, so this happens at least twice a day (when I'm home to see it). Now, because of this, Kika has always been alpha in our mind. But with Kenzo... Kika will be sitting on the couch next to me (nightly) and Kenzo will jump on the couch and sit on her. She wont even move. Not only will he sit on her, but he tries to almost push her off the couch! And your opinions are.......????[/quote] Sounds like Kika is truly the alpha, but Kenzo is going to try his placement every chance he gets. If she doesn't snap at him for sitting on her, then he'll take it one step further until she puts a stop to it. He knows exactly how much he can get away with! :wink:

I live in Texas. Raise and use herding bred dogs > Australian Kelpies and Australian Cattle Dogs. They are indoor/outdoor dogs. We are both able to stay home (for now) and work with them. They are loaded with natural herding ability and mostly we want to stop work a long time before they do! :wink:

You can tell by looking as his teeth.

That is a hard situation. Listen to your heart and do what's best for the dog. Good luck!

Can you post a picture??

Pick up his crap......for a week......and deposit it on top of the hood of their car, or throw it into their yard or on their porch. Even if this dog is in your yard, being aggressive with your dog --- if something was to happen that a dog fight started....Goo would be to blame, just because of the breed that she is. NOT fair, but you know it would happen. MAKE THE CALL. Do you think that they would hesitate, if Goo was the one doing the aggression? Nope ......how did the other problem ever turn out with the white tri-pod Pit?

Constipate.....boy, that's a pain in the.......

Pumpkin, did you use to live in Alaska or just go there periodically? Maybe that's why I thought you lived there. :wink:

:lol: okay.....[size=2]you take all the fun out of life! [/size]

I can't resist.....everyone in my family can eat yams (really sweet taters), except me. They give me very ..... um ..... a loud bodily function. Some dogs do well on Old Roy ( :-? ), some do not. Every dog has a different digestive system (even though they are all the same, they are still different). We used to feed Purina --- went thru them like a funnel. Purina One doesn't. But, we still won't feed Purina. We switched to Diamond. They like Diamond and do very well. Then had a little 3 month problem with Diamond, seems to be all cleared up now. BUT, we are now feeding Strongpoint, also (along with Diamond puppy). They LOVE it and their poop shows it......clap your hands....if your poop is happy, clap your hands....oh....got off topic. So, each to his own. Some people condemn others for what they feed their dogs, this is just not right. Not everyone has the resources, finances or ability (not meaning intelligence, other situations exist) to be able to feed Wellness, or a natural diet, cooked meal, etc.... We all do what we do to keep our dogs healthy and us happy.

Martha Stewart........ :lol: [url]www.marthastewart[/url].[b]con[/b]

If you go to that website you posted, they are also having a win free dog food for a year......and YOU get to chose which dog food you want to win.

I think that's a puppy thing. They don't know if there will be a next meal! :lol: Egg, just curious > do you have Duck on a regular deworming program? When was the last time she was dewormed?

Yep, can hardly wait!

Gigi, sometimes the bitch will not let down her milk until after the pups are whelped. She will lick her teats, then lick the pups. This stimulates the milk let down and aids the pups to know where to nurse. Hormones play an important role in this also. Some bitches will drip milk the day of whelp, some will not. Some will drip 24 hrs prior to whelping.

Oh yeah, that's what I want to do ..... give one of my Kelpie pups to a family that can't afford their own food!! She sure knows how to smooth talk the public. All women up there bawling and squalling because Oprah's doing something nice for them, GIVE ME A BREAK!

GSD, every state is different concerning civil law. Even if a contract attorney drew up an iron clad contract, another attorney could find a loop hole. There are several Border Collie breeders that have in their puppy contract that if the new owners dual register the ABCA (American Border Collie Association) registered pup into the AKC that they will automatically pay the breeder a fee of $10,000.00. So far, no one has been able to collect on that, yet. You could always take the buyer to small claims court if you think the contract has been broken. Again, it just depends on your state's civil laws.

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