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Hello, Koolie, It does conjure up some great thoughts, that's why I'm now walking around the ring with small dogs, a couple of times of collapsing in the steward's arms totally out of breath after a couple of laps with a big dog gave everyone else the giggles so bowed out of the race gracefully. Good luck at Seymour, let me know how you go. I'm not entered anywhere at the moment.

Steady on there, Gordonmum, How old are you? No disrespect meant, but my grandkids reckon I'm 100 and I remember when I was young (yes, I can remember back that far!) thinking that anyone over about 45 was absolutely ancient! Now, of course, anyone under about 30 is still a kid to me. I cant believe the ages of my own children, I say they aren't my kids, just relations (kidding of course) then the 19 grankids line up and I have to give in. You're only as old as you feel, OK so some days the 100 tag fits. Gordonmum I'm guessing you have Gordon Setters, I had them a while ago, lost the last one to cancer about 9 years back, just broke my heart, that girl was not a dog, but one of my best friends. Have always had Min. Pinschers as well, and never tried to replace my last Gordon. Anyway getting too slow to run with a big dog in the showring!

I have had Border Terriers for a number of years and they are a breed who's coat gets stripped. Some need very little stripping, just keeping the dead hair removed but if they are inclined to have a softer coat then it is needed more often. With the Border coat no amount of brushing will remove all of this and the dog will quite often get very itchy if it is left. A few that I know of have been clipped but this can lead to skin irritations and the coat never seems to come back correctly. Some dogs will 'blow' their coats all at once and others keep losing nearly all year round. If the stripping is done on a 'need to' basis it does not cause discomfort to the dog as you are only removing dead hair which taken between thumb and forfinger in small quantities in the direction the hair grows comes away very easily. It is only when someone tries to strip out the growing hair that naturally pain is caused. So with this breed the main thing is to keep the coat tidy at all times and a little often is the way to go. It's Terrier coat so would imagine this would apply to most of the Terriers.

Reading the history of the 'Staffordshire in Australia' I came across a reference to 'Blue Paul'. Briefly it is - "1951 saw the arrival of John Sheward (Broomesquires) with three bitches Liz of Broomesquires, Jezebel of Broomesquires (both reds) and Arriet of Broomesquires, a Blue Paul as they were then called." Reading this I assumed it was a reference to color. In Guests reply they appear to be a different breed although a foundation of the Staff. Does anyone else have any info on this, it's always interesting to find out the origins of phrases.

I'll start this by reminding you I am from Australia, where we have two types, the Jack Russell and the Parsons Jack Russell. On my friend's Web site it says the Jacks were bred to bolt foxes (as are the Border Terriers) and the Parsons to follow horses. The site is --www4.tpgi.com.au/users/rgh/ I am only repeating what is on the site and what I was told by the breeders. There are often varying opinions on the origins of lots of breeds so others may come up with something else. (I dont want to get into any discussions with a certain 'guest' :roll: )

Deep. I love your optomism of the ideal world! But I think you would have to keep the DNA (is that what they clone from?) until a species of human? were 'uncloned'. It's hard to see what future some breeds have due to the ignorance and cruelty which seems rife in some parts. We all sound off on this and other places but sometimes I feel we are preaching to the converted. It's a shame the only dog news in the media is bad news slanted at the dog and not going into more background re the owner and treatment of said dog. Hope this makes sense, I get so mad about the usually one-sided view of all these stories :evil: No-one ever mentions to me about a dog biting a child, they know my first question is 'what did the child do to the dog?' There's always two sides to every story. There I'll put my soapbox away. Have a nice day :D

No, You might get a look-alike, but to me the memories are of the things you did together, the places you went and the reactions to situations and those are individual to each dog. I've had a few really top winning show dogs over the years but again would not clone as the enjoyment of showing for me is to bring along a pup with potential to the top and having a clone would take away all those hopeful expectations. Even on the breeding side, I guess there might be some advantages, but who wants life to have no surprizes!

Hi, Mei-Mei, I did a quick search of recognized breeds of the American Kennel Club and the Kennel Club of United Kingdom and they both have only a listing for the 'Jack Russell'. Aussie has the two separate standards. I have no idea how this came about as we generally follow the English classification, so maybe there's someone who can enlighten us all on that! I have friends who are among the top Aussie breeders of JR's, so know a bit about them, have only seen Parsons at a few shows and as mentioned they are taller and finer, probably other differences, but that's the point that strikes me. Looked at a couple of Web sites for JR's in America and some of pics appear to be more like what we call the Parsons over here, taller and finer. Trying to recall the the Parsons here, I'm not sure if the tail might be longer, could be completely wrong on that, couldn't find any sites in Aussie for the Parsons. Baylock Kennels, the JR friends here, Web site is www4.tpgi.com.au/users/rgh well, anyway, that's what I've got written down, except it seems a bit long, maybe it's wrong, knowing my expertise on this thing it probably is :oops: but worth a try! So you weren't wrong, it was just us Aussies confusing the issue :P

In Australia the Jack Russell and the Parsons Jack Russell are classified as two separate breeds. Both originated from England and while I don't know a lot about the Parsons I have seen some at shows. There are not as many being shown as the Jack Russells. I believe the Parsons were named after the breeder and the Jacks after their originator, Rev. Jack Russell of Devon in the 19th century. The Parsons I have seen are a leggier animal with perhaps a finer body. The height standard for the Parsons is - dogs 14ins, bitches 13ins. approx. The Jacks are between 10ins and 12ins. Hope this helps. There are a number of sites on the Web for Jacks but I couldn't find any for Parsons.

Lily - not Lucy, please forgive an old lady who has NEVER been able to remember names be they animal, vegetable or mineral :oops:

Hope you will be able to get the problem solved, it's a worry when you know there's something not right, but sometimes you have to just accept you have done your best. My Min Pin, Sam, has always had unusual bowels motions, he will always go 3 times every morning, the first is perfectly normal, the next very loose and the third just runny water, all this within 15/20 minutes. Occassionally he also get a stomach cramp, tum goes as hard as a rock and he spends the time on my knee, this can last for half a day up to 24 hours. My Vet. has done every test he can think of. Main problem is I'm 150ks from the Vet. and three times I've raced him over there, once at 5.30am, but each time it's worn of by the time we get there. There is just no common denominator for these attacks. I used to think Sam wouldn't live long, but he's 6 next month and still behaves like a puppy, looks fine and has heaps of energy, the only time he is still is when he has his tummy ache, sometimes none for months then maybe 2 in a week. I know your Lucy's problem is different to Sam's but some things don't always have an answer and you have to be guided by your dog's attitude to life. So try not to worry too much, we can only do our best for our mates.

Min Pins are among the best (see how nice I am, I said 'among' :lol: ). Mine are one chocolate and 1 red, never had a black and tan, but have shown one for a friend, then a color is a color is a color. As for leaping, all of the ones I've had would always leap high in the air, but never seemed to actually jump over anything, just up and down like a jack-in-the-box! I did have one who was a climber, went over 6ft fences until we put a inward slope (I know those things have a name, can't think what though!) on the top.

[color=red][/color][size=7][/size]THANK YOU - SASHAGIRL!![color=#444444][/color][size=3][/size] The 'rose' has gone, now I feel like a doggy person again.

On these two types in Aussie, while it's hard to pinpoint, they should never be confused. The Cardigan should have a slightly wider earset than the Pembroke, and be slightly longer in body. The Cardigan tail is described as 'like a fox's brush, and the Pembroke 'short, preferably natural'. The colors, for the Pembroke 'Any color, with or without white markings, but white should not predominate. The Cardigan, self colors in Red, Sable, Fawn, Black and Tan, or with white markings on legs, chest and neck. Some white on head and foreface permissable. I have a friend who used to breed Pembroke's and while some were born with a very slightly longer stub tail, she never had to actually dock any. This doesn't read as a great deal of difference, but when seen they are really very different. I haven't looked, but there probably are some sites with lots more info than I can give, and probably clearer too :roll: .

There's a lot of politics in everything - I was a member of a mother's club when my kids were at school - now there's was politics! Dog showing can be a lot of fun, as long as you know your dog's limitations and are not kennel blind. I find most times the judging is pretty good, keeping in mind that Judges, unless personally involved with a breed, will have an overall picture of any breed and will give THEIR interpretation of the Standard. If they all judged the same, there would only have to be one show! There are a diverse range of exhibitors here in Aussie, from T.V. personalities to poor old pensioners like myself and we all enjoy our day out.

I have been involved with showing, judging and club administration for about 40 years, and enjoyed most of it. I have mainly shown at country venues, meeting friends and relaxing with my dogs. These country ones generally have great areas to walk the dogs and are generally two days, so no housework, cooking, etc. My dogs enjoy these weekends away, they love meeting everyone else and specially sleeping in my van with me overnight. They have all been good travellers and know when I'm packing to go away, they jump in the van and I have to pack around them. I've made some wonderful friends through my involvement with dogs. I've owned and shown Rough Collies, Afghans, Gordon Setters, Cocker Spaniels, Border Terriers and current showing Miniature Pinschers.

The more I explore all the posts, the more I find, so thought I'd put my piece in here. I seem to have the littlies of those posted, but they all think they are BIG people :lol: . Here's my three:- Miniature Pinscher female, (hey, Roo, I'm learning, no ****'s) Grand Champion Barambah Baynilla, (answers to 'Pebbles') Chocolate and Tan, 11.1/2inches 8 years old Miniature Pinscher dog, Champion Lienard Stampy, (answers to 'Sam') Red, 11inches 6 years old. Border Terrier Foxfor Ferret, (answers to Ben) Red Grizzle 9 years old. Pebbles is the boss lady, not into cuddling unless she feels like it. Sam thinks he is very macho, but a chicken at heart, loves smooching. Ben is a typical laid back Border, more thinking material than any dog I have had, wouldn't know what 'sit' means, but has me totally trained to obey his every command. Didn't make it to the showring, as his teeth are crooked, worst luck, otherwise a lovely looking Border. Guess you can see where my nickname came from :roll: .

Well said, Newfiemom. I am retired, have been involved with dogs and dog people for over 40 years, showing, breeding, judging and club administration. I may be a newbie to this forum but at least I have as many details permissable on show and am available through private messages and email. So I figure it's not us hiding behind a 'name'! Can we please stop all this slanging, I, for one, am going to now stick by my original post on this subject - "IGNORE IGNORANCE". :roll:

Woops, I see there are a number of posts from "guests", but if anyone wondering if 'the shoe fits' just go to the most recent reference to the 'guest' I am refering to in the 'Outside Dogs" who always seems to cause a lot of dissention. AND TO ALL OTHER 'GUESTS' I APOLOGISE ! Lets get rid of any nastiness in this forum.

I'm fairly new to this forum and really enjoy reading all the topics EXCEPT FOR ONE ---- please can't something be done about this 'guest'? I noticed that when I posted with the word 'bitch' it was blocked straight away. Sorry about that, it's usual speak in the show world over here! Anyway can't something be done before the posts appear or failing that - how about just ignoring them, nothing cools off a troublemaker like being ignored. Hope no-one minds me having my say on this, as it really is spoiling a great forum.

Wanted to put a doggy pic. under my name on any posts, they look so good. When I went looking, couldn't find any of my breeds, used to have Afghans and Gordon Setters. My current best friends are a Border Terrier and two Miniature Pinschers, couldn't find any on the pics supplied and haven't had my PC long enough to be clever and get them from anywhere else :oops: I'll keep looking in case any come on, I'm not really a rosebud :lol: ! Love this forum and visit nearly everyday.

:lol: I'm an Irish Setter, that's OK, had a friend with those and they are great, a bit rattle-headed, but lots of fun. Past life I was monkey, wasn't too keen on the heading,but it read all right, guess I can cope with that, sounded cute.