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BK..WHERE'S 'BK'??????

More MIN PINS! Look out board, we will take over the world :drinking: Welcome! Friend and I would go showing for weekends, her with her three Shibas and my three. We classed the overnight weather as 'one dog night' - two dog night - three dog night' depending how many we had under the blankets to keep us warm! Hint here, girls - besides yourself, who else takes up most of the bed? This doesn't apply to Newfiemon, she has that worked out already :lol:

Gooeydog, would love to have known that cat. Had me giggling sitting here picturing the light going on, heads under pillows, light getting brighter and brighter :D

Sounds like he's part Affie :lol: I took my first Affie to obedience, what a laugh, luckily I knew the instructor, so it wasn't quite so embarrassing. Got Kush where he would do sit, stay, stand, trouble was he did sit on stand command, everything his way, and I swear he was grinning all the time :oops:

Smart Girl, Nikki. Don't you love the look they get on their faces when they are thinking? Ben sleeps on the bed with me, started off on a small blanket, then one night when it was cold, I had this persistent tap on my arm. Took me a while to work out what he wanted. Now I know if I get a tap, I have to lift up the blanket so he can get under it. Sam has a funny tummy, anything cold gives him a cramp, so his meals have the chill taken off in the microwave. Had a friend here one evening, fed the crew, Sam came over and pawed at my leg. "Sam thinks his meal is too hot, have to blow on it" I told her. She picked up the dish, waved it in the air, put it down again. Sam looked at it, her and me with the most comical look, came and pawed my leg again. I picked up the dish, gave it a couple of blows, put it down again. Sam gave my friend a look to say 'that's how you do it', and ate up. Friend nearly fell off her chair. Last one - we have gone to daylight saving. My lot are fed at 4.30pm - one minute later and they let me know. So how come they adjust to the daylight saving time? There must be lots of doggy smarts out there, how about sharing?

I guess this is what I am getting at. Back in the days when I had Affies, they were the hardest dogs I had ever come across to TEACH anything to, but to live with them and see the way they could work out things for themselves was incredible. There were just so many instances about different things that it was past coincidence. They were a wild pack hound originally and I have seen them work in their unique way with a snake bailed up, seen them work together to open a gate, had one show me where a pup had got out and tracked it. Just so many things, but 'sit, stay' not on your life!

OK, can I just throw this one in here, (neck on the block AGAIN :o ). Does anyone think there is a difference between 'obedience' and 'intelligence'? I have had dogs, particularly the Afghans, which would look at you blankly when trying to get through the basic obedience, sit, etc. but could work out things for their own benefit. I think the working dog people may agree with this, Hobbit, Koolie?

I have had numerous breeds over a lifetime of dogs and have seen the 'dreams' where their legs twitch and they making little whimpery noises. I have only had one which I would class as having nightmares. Ben will start howling in his sleep, all the calling his name, making a noise doesn't stop him. The howling just gets louder and more pathetic until I actually hold his head, talk to him and wake him up properly. I have had to climb behind the couch at times. He sleeps on my bed at night and on being woken up, just want to cuddle. He will sometimes do this a couple of times in one week then not again for ages. I have had him since 9 weeks of age, he's nearly 10 now, and he has never had a bad experience to warrant this. He is a totally happy laid-back little Terrier, cant remember the last time he was trouble for anything (not like the other two!). He even loves my Vet. so the occasional visit doesn't hold any fears. Anyone staying overnight is warned not to have a fit if they hear the Hounds of Baskerville in my bedroom, it's only Ben having a nightmare.

As I said "FRUITCAKE", and that's me being polite. Before he decided to go off the planet, we had a few doggy discussions, ------------ Wont spey---"it's cruel" Disciplines with a stock whip. Not allowed to pat his dog - "Bad for discipline" Only feeds dry food and 'road kill' (brings home dead 'roos, they stink) Dog must heel at all times, never seen her run anywhere. Vaccination, worming, "Waste of Money". Earlier discussions with him were in friendly manner, but he doesn't want to hear anything but his own way. So no contact on my part is a relief as I hate to see a dog treated like that. Still he used to say he loved her and wouldn't part with her. What can you do except :2gunfire:

:lol: Because we are kind :wink: considerate :lol: good neighbours :) love our dogs (and most people) 8) think of others :D etc. etc. Enough, enough!!! One more thing---------- [size=7][/size]WE ARE ALL ON DOGO!!!!!!!!

It's a big problem when you have 'nutty' neighbours. I have no solution to this problem. I have a 'fruitcake' living next to me. There is a house block (mine) between his house and my house and yard where the dogs are. He moved in about 5 years ago, has a dog too, so I thought we would have no problems. Things were fine for about 3 years, then he started yelling over the fence whenever mine let out a peep. They are small dogs, mainly inside, but with free access to the yard. One is a great watchdog, so would bark if anyone was around. I would bring them in every time they made a noise, which would be, maybe, once or twice a day. He threatened to poison them at one time, so I never left them home alone, even to quick trip to the shop. One night I got home at 1.30am, dogs in the car, walked in the door, phone rings, 'fruitcake' yelling with abusive language" that dogs barked all night, he was going to shoot them!". Since that time I have let my dogs live a normal life, queried others around and they said they didn't even hear my dogs. Still get occasional phone calls and promptly hang up. BTW- He is a great dog owner, his bitch has puppies to whatever is around. He had to shoot one of the pups after injuring it with a stockwhip, last lot just vanished, heard them crying in the shed for a couple of days, then nothing. Leaves her locked in a small tin yard for a couple of days at a time when he goes somewhere, then guess who barks?

Happy Holiday Season to you, from 'Downunder'

:D :D Even a stopped clock is right once every 12 hours! :lol: :lol:

I see that Hobbitt backed up my statement that bitches fighting were worse than dogs and then so many agreed with Hobbit. I don't think anyone can say that some things do not work. We have all had different experiences and with different breeds, so if you know your dog/breed you will be more likely to have the correct method to deal with most things, including fighting.

I have heard and read of all sorts of ways to break up a dog fight, kicking, twisting testes (wont work on bitches, no way) throwing salt, never did find out which end you threw it on, bucket of water, hosing, not really feasible in the lounge. Fortunately, over the many years I've had very few fights among my dogs. Small dogs aren't a problem, one in each hand does the trick, good shaking and stern words have fixed it. Big dogs, another problem. My first dog fight was with two big dogs and I was in a panic. Lot of screaming later I got them apart, I was later told that the high pitched yelling makes it worse. I was told you must be totally dominant over them, let them know you just wont stand for that behaviour, give them a whack with a newspaper, stick, not your hand. I had big breed bitchs get stuck in one day and this worked, maybe I was lucky, then they were put in opposite corners of the room and made to stay, if one looked sideways at the other I would sternly reprimand whoever. When they were both totally aware that the 'boss' was cross with them both, they decided it was not worth it, and settled down. I guess there will be lots of others with experiences to relate and then you can sort out what is best for you. One other thing, I found that a bitch fight was always more serious than a dog fight, Do others find the same thing?

They are a good distance from me, but I have a son living close to their area, I will email him, he may know them, everyone knows everyone in the country :lol: Looked at their site, they appear very well set up, lovely looking kennels, I imagine they have quite a number of bitches, so 50 pups a year is maybe not excessive, average of 5 pups per litter, particularly as they appears to have a wide market for them. And they have only the one breed!

I had answered this in the original post (Breeds, Teacup Heelers) and wont repeat the whole thing again. Roo, we have some here in Aussie doing the same thing. They give the appearance that puppy sales are all important. There are also some who breed consistantly for the overseas market. You only have to look at the export certificates issued to whom and where and from which breeder. These people mostly have numerous breeds. Had looked through some working dogs studs and now through some working gundog stud sites and they appear to have only one breed. The interesting place to look is in the 'for sale' ads. in the paper or on the net. Ickle, congratulations. There's nothing like that first homebred Champion. Had a grin on my face for days when my first homebred title came up. 3 years since your last litter, don't think you qualify as a puppy mill :lol: Looking at the posts, I think we are talking to the converted here. In my opinion anyone who breeds 3 or more different breeds has to be borderline. That's a lot of pups on the ground over a year. We are talking BREEDING here, NOT owning. This is not said to upset anyone here, just my opinion, and discussion on this topic would be interesting, lets hear from both sides.

I can only comment with experience on the show dog scene and there are some to my knowledge who are breeding more than one breed and most of those do seem to have a different attitude to their dogs. They appear to be more interested in puppy sales than anything else. Some places I have been to, while the dogs are all very well cared for, only a few would get the home enviroment, the rest living in kennels. For a lot of these people it appears to be a business more than a pleasure. The vast majority of showies concentrate on the one breed, treat their dogs as family and breed to improve their own lines and have another to show. I did a quick surf around some working dog studs in Aussie and found they all appeared to concentrate on one breed. I guess the thought of anyone breeding, say three or more breeds, would have to be a bit sus. as they would have a fair turnover of pups for sale.

In Aussie we have had both the Parsons and the Jack registered as two separate breeds for some time. If you go back to September 4th under 'Breeds', there was a discussion on the two types in a post from "bkblue". I think the heading was "Parson's Terrier". It explains a bit about the difference's in Aussie. Hope this will be of interest to you.

You can use my Min Pin stud dog and I'll go you halves :lol: Looked at those Mini Aussies. I know they have the supposed measurements with them but my Min Pins are 11ins and 12ins and they appear a lot smaller than those Minis. I was trying to get a comparision, particularly with the ones with an adult in the background and the one against the cushion of the couch. Maybe it's the coat, I don't know, but I would have said more 15 to 18ins, even those babies look big, then I'm comparing them with Min Pin baby size. Would be interested to actually see them. If anyone does please let us know.

Would you know what Aussie paper this was in? Some States are waging war on Pit Bulls and wondered if this was from there.

Friends in Gippsland had ACD's which they used with their dairy herd and also showed. They had one called Russ, a lovely dog, could have taken him home but a bit too much dog for me. When I saw the advert for the miniature Australian Cattle Dog, I had visions of one about the size of a big Min Pin. about 12 inches. That I could cope with! Trouble was it was in Texas :cry: . Lucky for me, because I cant find the darn thing again, but would have been tempted if it was in Aussie :lol: Still I don't agree with any dog being miniaturised (sp). A breed is a breed is a breed.................. Why do they have to mess around with them let alone cross them. I'm sure there enough around now with enough problems without getting into unknown territory :evilbat:

Same way in Australia. It's a great thing to do apparently, but I don't think (I know) I could ever part with a dog after having it so close as a baby. The people who do this are hero's. :angel: My last Min Pin was going to go to a pet home once he was titled in the show ring. Got his title at 13 months, that was 5 years ago and he is still here!

Hey, I think we had better block out this thread - all this talk about New Registers, it's scary - what if our "Burk" gets to see this, he will be right on the band wagon!! :evil: I don't think the Aussie designer breed promoters are that far into it yet, I just hope they never are.

Why do people have to do this, what's wrong with breeds as they are? The wording of some of the advertisments you see really stretch the imagination :o Saw one for you BK- Registered Australian Cattle Dog, MINIATURE male heeler. Perhaps for those small cattle they breed, darn, can't remember what they call them :lol: