Seijun

Although I don't think any dog "deserves" to be PTS for food aggression, things like this often have to be done in the world of rescue. With so many animals coming in all the time, many shelters can't afford to keep a "problem" dog. Most people don't want to or don't know how to deal with a food aggressive dog. A food aggressive dog can also be very dangerous (depending on how food aggressive it is). Rather than keep a dog like this around that could take much, MUCH longer to adopt out than non-food aggressive dogs, shelters usually choose to just put the dog to sleep. This leaves room for the much more adoptable dogs that are likely to be adopted much quicker. By KEEPING the food aggressive dog, they are taking up space that could have been used by several much more adoptable dogs, which now might all have had to have been put to sleep because of this ONE food aggressive dog that was sitting there taking up that space. I know, it's not fair, but in a shelter that is forced to take in so many dogs all the time, keeping back only the most adoptable dogs is the only way they have of saving the most dogs possible. ~Seij

[quote name='Cassie']This claim is false. Her NAIDs and the NAIDs of the other breeders [b]are a random mix of various breeds of dogs, and they have no real standard in either looks or temperament. In reality, they are just mutts.[/b] This I find very funny. You do realize ALL of our current purebreds come from mixed breed lineages. Our current purebreds have not been around that long. Our purebreds come from mongrels or races of dogs, humans saw some cute ones, or dogs which displayed a behavior they liked...took them in and started breeding them. To create a purebred dog all you have to do is inbreed mixed breeds of crossbreeds for a few generations. This will set a standard look and motor pattern (shaped behaviors). If you notice her NAIDS and the [b]NAIDS of other breeders differ quite drastically in appearance, which is not something you would see in a dog breed that was a pure breed.[/b] This is why purebred breeding is so unhealthy. To keep a dog in a artificial man made purebreed also creates genetic diseases. [quote]In fact, the Indians themselves didn't even have a pure breed of dog. Theirs were also mixed dogs. With the arrival of the Europeans, these dogs became interbred with dogs from Europe and other countries. Because the dogs were never a pure bred dog, and because no one bothered to study into them much, it would be impossible to "recreate" them[/quote]. Inbreed the dogs for a few generations and you can create what ever purebred you want. Seijun, you do realize that our purebreds are artifical and man made. There are some natural dogs in the world which could be considered natural purebreeds...but, they do not include our current purebreds. Some of the oldest natural breeds in the world are considered just mongrels. There are a lot of them on the island of Pemba which some biologists have been studying...they are a natural breed. Dogs evolved to be races or mongrels..they evolved to adapt to their natural environment. Man took from these mongrels to create our current purebreeds.[/quote] That's not exactly the point I am trying to make. My point is that this lady has bred a random mix of dog, JUST for looks, NO attempts to standardize, with absolutely horrid temperament (if your looking for a good family pet) and she is [i]lying[/i] about their temperament, their heritage, and just about everything else! (Not to mention she breeds at the first heat cycle and twice a year-have you looked at how many puppies she currently has for sale right now?- [url]http://www.majesticview1.com/New_Arrivals.htm[/url] ). I know that there are other breeds out there that ARE ancient, that DON'T have a set standard, and ARE really great dogs, but the NAID isn't one of them! They aren't like the Alaskan huskies or other mixed breed "breed." These dogs did not originate from some long lost breed of Indian dog like Karen claims, and she isn't trying to recreate the Indian's dogs. It's just a ploy to make money. Have you ever looked at the other Indian dog breeder's pages?? "Rare white spirit dogs," rare white brindles," "rare white parti-brindles," "rare reds," the list of lies could go on forever. :roll: Her Indian dogs are just there for money and to cover up the fact that she bred wolf hybrids. She went as far as to SHOOT many of her own hybrids and sell their pelts! How much more money hungry can you get?? The NAID is NOT a breed, it is a MUTT. I am aware that there are some breeds out there that are mutts, and that all pures came from mutts, but she is trying to make out like these dogs are recreations of the Indians dogs, which they aren't! If a breeder did make an HONEST attempt to recreate the Indian

[quote name='__crazy_canine__'][quote name='Seijun']If anything, he would lie about it being HEAVIER than it actually is, to make it more attractive to people who DO use weighted collars.[/quote] Well, if he wants to sell it to someone who might be concerned about it weighing too much, then he might lie saying its lighter but I dont know if, when he was asked, if there was an hints to that or not, so thats probably not the case. [/quote] My exact email to him was "About how much does this collar weigh?" So I don't think I gave him any hints about my concerns, unless he is just paranoid or something :D ~Seij

Heh, I knew someone would think the seller might be lying.. Why would he though? What would he gain? If anything, he would lie about it being HEAVIER than it actually is, to make it more attractive to people who DO use weighted collars. A heavy collar is more likely to confirm to the "macho dog" look this guy is advertising. A light collar might seem more "sissy" to someone looking for a macho collar, so I doubt this guy would lie about the collar being lighter than it actually is. I think he is telling the truth about its weight. ~Seij

I emailed the collar's seller. The collar is only 1 lb 6 oz. ~Seij

I honestly don't think it looks that heavy. I doubt that it has much more weight to it than would a choke chain. Besides, some dogs do better on a large, thick collar because it is harder to slip loose from. My dog has a 2" wide, .5" thick collar and she doesn't care a bit. She'd be gone now if I had tried using a thin lightweight collar on her. ~Seij

[quote name='Pumpkin the musher']The description of the dog that the buyer thinks has wolf in it because of it's behavior sounds like most untrained Siberians, Malamutes or Alaskans- with out something to do they will become destructive[/quote] Unfortunately the dog had been well-trained, as was Sedona. Karen does not breed for temperment though, and her dogs almost always turn out the exact oposite of a good family pet. It doesn't help either that many are sold highly unsocialized. ~Seij

I don't mind "interperitations", it's when they start turning their "interperitations" into "pure dog breeds" that I have a problem with 'em. If my interperitation of a Jack Russel Terrier is a 50 lb dog, that doesn't mean I can breed my Jacks to a Dobie and still have Jack Russel Terriers. ~Seij

Karen (owner of Majestic view and founder of the NAID) started out breeding high wolf percentage wolfdogs (wolf hybrids). Michigan later banned wolfdogs. To keep her business up, Karen changed the names of her wolfdogs to "Native American Indian Dogs." She kept her low wolf content animals and shot most of the high content ones and sold their pelts (a few were sent off to rescue, although it is rumored that she may still have a few high percentage wolfdogs). She inbred the low wolf content ones to get the animals with the large white spots to get a more "exotic" look. Her NAIDS are several generations removed from the wolfdogs and they contain mostly Akita, Husky, Malamute, and German Shepherd. According to Karen, the NAID is a pure bred dog designed after the dogs the Indians had. This claim is false. Her NAIDs and the NAIDs of the other breeders are a random mix of various breeds of dogs, and they have no real standard in either looks or temperament. In reality, they are just mutts. If you notice her NAIDS and the NAIDS of other breeders differ quite drastically in appearance, which is not something you would see in a dog breed that was a pure breed. In fact, the Indians themselves didn't even have a pure breed of dog. Theirs were also mixed dogs. With the arrival of the Europeans, these dogs became interbred with dogs from Europe and other countries. Because the dogs were never a pure bred dog, and because no one bothered to study into them much, it would be impossible to "recreate" them. According to Karen, the dogs do not shed and are hypoallergenic. Little could be further from the truth. These dogs shed constantly. Because they have a LOT or northern breed in them, they grow up with those same thick double coats as the northern breeds have. As is normal for a dog like this, they "blow" their undercoat once or twice a year, and shed constantly in between. As for temperament... Karen does not breed for it. Although she has very good facilities, the temperaments of most of her animals are horrible if a family pet is what you are looking for. Because they have been bred so poorly, almost all of her NAIDs have inherited the intense behavior of the high wolf content wolfdogs that they descended from, and in almost all the cases I have seen, have turned into nightmares for their unsuspecting owners. A few of her animals DO turn out nice, I have met at least one owner with a dog from her who was the best pet she ever had. However, last month I met three owners, one had given up their NAID, the second was on the verge of giving up their NAID and the third had kept theirs but it took a LOT of work. It is difficult to describe the temperament of the NAID, but based on what was reported to me by the three owners, three things seems to stick out, even before the animals were a year old and even when they had received vigorous training by professionals from a very young age. All three were VERY hyperactive. They were NOT good in the house (they were very destructive indoors). All three listened fairly well to commands but were sometimes extremely rough when they played and often could not be left around the children because of it, even though at times they would be very well behaved with the children. Here is part of the initial PM I received from the owner on the verge of giving up their NAID: "We purchased a NAID from Majestic View. She swears, and I still have the email, that there is NO wolf in my dog. She says it is a mix between husky, malamute, shepard, and chinook. Unfortunately, your description sounds much more accurate. Our dog is nine months old, 85 pounds, has eaten couches, chairs, the carpet off the stairs, and he plays extremely rough with my three children. Then, there are other times, when he is the best behaved dog we know (my child can even sleep on him). I do not know what to do. I even bought an electric fence for stubborn dogs and not only was he not deterred, he ate the wire! We paid almost $1,000 for basic training, and he does well with that unless he is off his lease, and then it can be more than an hour to get him back." The forth NAID I came into contact with (not mentioned above) is one we currently have in rescue now. She is named Sedona ( [url]http://www.liquinet.com/wolfdogadoption/Sedona.htm[/url] ) and is less than a year old. She reflects best the temperament you are likely to see in the average NAID from Majestic Views (although it was told to me that her temperament is actually [i]good[/i] compared to what you will see in most of Karen's NAIDs). Sedona is HIGHLY reactive. She watches your every move and will begin submissive posturing if she feels even a little threatened (for instance, if you try to correct her for being too rough). If she continues to feel threatened, she will begin to show her teeth and even nip. She is extremely sensative to EVERYTHING and her owners finally decided to give her up. I do not know much about the other NAID breeders, other than many have dogs from Karen and NONE are the pure bred dogs the breeders claim. Buying one would just be buying into a scam. A note on wolf hybrids, they are not the "ticking time bombs" you think they are. Please do some serious research before going out to bash my "breed". ~Seij

The American Indian dogs (AID's) are actually coydogs. At least the ones from Song Dog kennels are. ~Seij

Lol, if they keep it up they won't have any "homeowners" left! ~Seij

Does it count if your dog ignores commands even when it's not chasing its tail?? ~Seij

Tail-chasing doesn't mean a dog is unintelligent :D When dogs get excited and don't feel they have anywhere for the energy to go at the moment, they will sometimes release that energy by tail-chasing. It's a type of play. At least, that's how I have always obseved it as. ~Seij

Ok, then what [i]does[/i] make a breed for you? ~Seij

[quote name='"Mei-Mei"'][quote] As for breastfeeding children, well, not to insult anyone here, but I really worry about children who are breastfed as late as four or five years of age. Children shouldn't have bottles then either; why would one want to breastfeed that long? I'm not sure its psychologically sound.[/quote] Ahem. [i]I[/i] was breastfed until that age and I can't even remember it. It did not have any ill effects on me. :wink: Anyway, wasn't the baby refusing to take her milk anyway? I see absolutelty NOTHING wrong with giving your milk to a puppy if your own human child doesn't want it anymore. How can it be called neglecting the child if the child refuses to breastfeed? If I had a child who didn't want to breastfeed, and I had a puppy who needed to breastfeed, I would let the puppy breastfeed off of me. It only makes sense. Why spend money on puppy milk when you have some of your own right there and not even being used? I agree that the pup shouldn't be away from the mother that early, but we don't know the full story here. ~Seij

A friend of mine has a small dog they think was abused by men. She hates men and will bark and growl if one comes in the house. A few times she has even bitten. I am not clear yet on if the dog is attacking out of fear, but I don't think so since the owners have to lock her up to keep her from going after people and trying to bite them. What would be some suggestions on dealing with the dog's aggressive behavior towards men? Also, if a large adult dog is treating a 12 year old as it would a puppy, would it be safe for that 12 year old to use NILF to try gaining the alpha position? ~Seij

The Shiloh, although considered a pure breed, is also considered by many people to be a breed that is still developing in that issues such as health problems are still being worked on. The Shiloh is a very new breed, any breed that is [i]that[/i] new WILL continue to develope over time and improve even if it has already been officially labeled a pure breed. I cannot say how the health issues were able to get in other than that this is a large breed, and large breeds are prone to these health issues. The breeders really beleive in what they are doing and there is no doubt in my mind that they will, over time, improve on their new breed's health. ~Seij

The American Staffordshire Terrier did worse than the Shiloh in both HD and cardiac disease testing, but that doesn't make it a "bad" breed to get and I know a lot of people who have them, even on this board. The Shiloh actually does relatively well in comparison to many other large breeds. ~Seij

[quote] personally do not see the shiloh shepherd as a breed.[/quote] Why not? The reproduce predictably in both temperament and looks. That makes them a pure breed. [quote]How are they different from a GSD? I just looked up pictures of them, and they're identical (in my uninformed opinion). [/quote] They are bigger, heavier boned, and also more intelligent. They do not come in a short hair like the GSD. The Shiloh is an offshoot of the GSD, aimed at trying to recreate what the GSD used to be (mostly in temperament). It is a fairly new breed. More info can be found here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiloh_Shepherd_dog[/url] [url]http://www.shilohshepherds.info/origins.htm[/url] ~Seij

The most famous and well-known part of the race to get the serum to Nome was Balto and his team. Balto was one of Seppala's dogs. Here is a picture of the team: [url]http://www.depart-arrivee.com/albums/archives/balto.sized.jpg[/url] And here is one of Balto himself: [url]http://fluke.theicecave.org/realbalto10.jpg[/url] Balto looked very "malamute-ish". He didn't have the build desired for speed, long distance races, and breeding, so he was neutered and sent off to be a freight dog. Here is a website that tells the entire story, begining to end, of Balto and his team: [url]http://www.balto-iditarod.com/index.php[/url] If you have the time, I highly encourage you to read it. I know it's long, and even though Balto and his team's role in the "race" was greatly over credited, it is still VERY interesting. There is a lot there I didn't know. I mean, who would have imagined that Balto was discarded like a piece of trash to suffer as part of a dime-show theatre attraction?? ~Seij

[quote name='courtnek']Who remembers the Alaskan sled teams that hauled a** across country to bring vaccine to the outposts? They did a kinda baton hand off at every station, where a new series of fresh dogs were ready to go the next leg....were those Mals, or Huskies, or something else entirely? saved a bunch of lives those dogs (and mushers) did. There was apparently no other way to get the vaccine out there....[/quote] I have always heard that they were sibes, but in the pics they look like mutts. I think they were probably just the "original" sibes, what they looked like before being standardized. ~Seij

I saw a picture in a book on sled racing a picture of a Dalmation team... :o ~Seij

I know a lady who weaves dog fur into yarn for sweaters and other things. It was neat, I got to watch her spin it into yarn and I also got to see the things that were made from it. All were very soft, strong, and a lot like regular sheep wool. Next spring I am going to send her Shilo's fur just as a sample. She charges a LOT for the things she makes. ~Seij

[quote name='nea'] Who confuse a rottie with a husky? Do they have [i]any[/i] similarities in looks? :o[/quote] They both have 4 legs and a tail :D ~Seij

I honestly wouldn't care if it was a cat, opposum, deer, or any other animal. Milk is milk (different compositions for different species, but it is still milk). The only big difference is where it comes from. So no, I would see no problem with her breastfeeding a goat, or having a human baby breastfeed off of a dog! I don't see it as gross either, especially considering I like scrambled eggs and everyone knows what part of the animal body THAT comes from, lol. There are people who have dogs raise tigers and the tiger cubs nurse from the dog-no one sees any problem there. I was breastfed til' I was 4 (with other supliments of course), and my parents once slept with bird eggs to help incubate them. Yes, I come from a strange family and I have a different "view" of how things are able to work-and yes I personaly would have no problem breastfeeding a puppy or other animal myself-but I'm not crazy. I deffinately have a different opinion on this than most here, but that doesn't make me crazy, just different. ~Seij