Crested

Hmmm.... I haven't really thought about that... Thanks Cassie! It's just that I pictured my two snuggleing on the sofa together and... well you know... :) So I guess I've just become impatient as Bella has been here for 5 months now...

Thanks DP. I agree with the attention thing. I will continue that. They haven't really hurt themselves. Only scratched eachothers skins. (no blood or anything, just visible claw scratches)

It's taken me... umm... 3 hours to read this thread and I'm sure I've missed things... :oops: This is a very, very interesting thread to me as I've wonderd long what is the critical thing that shows who is a BYB and who's not. Therefore, can I ask you... do you think I will be a BYB in the future? Let me explain my "dreams" so to speak. :-) First of all, as many of you know I have two dogs - Ben and Bella. Next year I will be moving and I'm not sure if I'll be able to take Ben with me. He's completely 100% my mom's dog. So I'm afraid there will be separation anxiety and if it doesn't work out, then I think it's best for Ben to stay here. I am going to try and take him with me, but if he just cries and cries, don't eat and becomes very lethargic (I think that's the word for it), then I think it's best for him to stay with mom. I will ofcourse visit him whenever I can! He's still my first dog and the one I love the most! Anyway... That would leave me with one dog (if this happens. If everything goes ok, then two). Oh, and I have to allso note that Ben is fixed, because he's got allergies, he's very scared and frightend of his nature and he allso is too big for my taste (for breeding that is). And I wanted a girl, so I didn't want there to come any accident babies. Anyway... I'm looking for a breeder course in my area, and I've found one that is in a couple months about 130km away from me. So I'd be away for a weekend to complete the course. Then off to send my kennel name application to the Finnish Kennel Club. My first litter with Bella would come (I counted today) when Bella is about (a very, very rough calculation) 19 months (allso Bella's first litter). I might be keeping one of the pups. Before breeding I will get her eyes and knees tested and I will require that for the male aswell. I've allso been thinking about doing the DNA test for her (not so common here). I've allso been planning on importing a dog to increse the genepool. That would increase my number of dogs to four. Wich at this point of my life is the absolute maximum. Mabye in the future I can get fifth or even sixth dog, but I see that as a maximum for everyone - including myself. I have a dream of someday owning a peruvian hairless, a mexican hairless and an american hairless... but that in the coming 50-60 years of my life (if I live that long. ;-)). I always deworm my dogs twice a year (not needed any more times where I live) but if I'd live in a bigger place, then I'd probabely deworm up to 4 times a year. Both my dogs are vaccinated and microchipped. Both eat a good food that I think work well with their body (skin, hair, teeth etc. in good condition and both have got clear papers in the overall health checks) wich is called Nutro. (I allso give them a home made porridge daily made especially for them) My dogs are washed and groomed every 1-2 weeks, they know the basic commands and are housebroken (well not Bella yet, as it's still cold and snowy and I see the spring as a better time for that and I'm currently training Bella the basic commands. So far she can come when called and sit. I'm moving very slowly with her.). I would have pups only once a year or once a couple years. It depends on my dogs, our life situation and yes - me. All puppies would be registerd, health checked and sold only when I see they are ready for that. I don't care if it takes seven weeks or six months and they will be sold to good homes. I have even thought of adding a few paragraphs myself to the selling contract that will give me the power to take the puppy away from it's owners if the puppy is beeing neglected or abused in any way. (the contract wouldn't affect the owners and the puppies lives in any way unless the puppies are mistreated) Oh, what more? I will show Bella, but I don't really care if she becomes a champion or not. If she does, it's hooray for her, but if she doesn't it's ok. She's still my little diva and I love her to bits. Oh, and I nearly forgot... Even though Bella will not be bred for about a year... I'm allready looking for a good mate for her. I want to be very specific to what I want. Showing her will just clarify and confirm that. Mabye even give me more info that I've not thought of. I'm sure you're sick of this post allready, but I'd really like to know if you guys would list me as a BYB. The reason for that is that it's the [u]last[/u] I want to be!

[quote name='"SexxieRacerChik"'][quote name='"Crested"'] I hope you accept my apology [quote] Of course, accepted :)[/quote] Thank you! I'm so glad! :-)

It's not Chinese, it's Japanese! ;-) Ha! :lol:

I thought I'd ask you guys one thing... As you all (well atleast "some" of you. ;-)) might know, Ben has always been scared of Bella. Bella is now 7 months old and Ben is 2 years (+ seven months). Things have got a LOT better if you look at how things were when Bella came to us and how things are now. Before Ben wouldn't let Bella come near him at all, and Bella would go and lay back with her tummy side up. When Ben then stopped growling and barking at her and walked away, Bella would jump up and bite him in his tail and hang there while he screamed and ran horrified from room to room (with Bella still litterally hanging from his tail). Now she still tries to do that, but Ben turns around and doesn't give her the chanse. And now it's turned to a game of "catch me if you can". It's obvious that it's just play. Ben chases her, Bella chases him - both of them wag their tails and seem to enjoy that. But then there are times that Ben just "looses it" so to speak. If Ben is on the sofa and Bella comes near him, he growls and barks and just nearly (nearly) bites her. She backs down immediately and goes somewhere else (often to me) and whines a bit before taking a nap. After that it's peace again. Sometimes when I play with Ben and he kind of "play growls" (you know?), I guess Bella misunderstands that and starts to bite Ben's legs and chase him away from me. This again irritates Ben and he starts to growl and flash his teeth at her etc. Once they got into a fight and Ben ended up with scratches on his back. That's when I went between them and ended the fight. That's the first time ever I've done that. Whenever Bella comes close to Ben's face (smelling his face etc.) he growls at her and tries to nip her. Should I do something about this? Is it just a play or something worse? I think Ben's lost his throne allready in this family as Bella eats first, plays first and bosses him around. Ben's been down about this for a while now untill I started to pay more attention to him then I've done thus far. This seemed to cheer him up and Ben and Bella seem to play with eachother more now then before. Should I do something more or just observe?

I am so glad that PJ has got peace at last! She's in a far better place now and I'm very glad for her! I will light a candle for her tonight. :angel: SRC: I have to apologize for everything I said. Things got very heated. My main consurn was PJ, please understand this. I totally understand that you love your aunt and I respect you for doing so. I know I wouldn't be able to do that. I'm very sorry for everything I said that might have offended you. I'm starting to think you aren't a troll after all. I'm very sorry for even thinking it. I hope you accept my apology and that you stay on dogo. I have to say, I don't remember when an argument became this heated. The crating thread mabye, but I think that thread doesn't even come close to this. Nonetheless, I'm glad that PJ is safe now.

It's a joke! Just like those Bonzai kittens. A very rude joke, but a joke (still in my eyes a very obvious one).

I have no idea. Somebody said that Tiny-Tim is 10 weeks and some say he's 6 months... Your guess is as good as mine!

What most annoyed me (and still does) is the fact that came up here once again. The fact that SRC said that her aunt loves her dog and tried to back her up in some places. And then the pill crushing etc. That allso ticked me off. One more thing made me actually really furious was the fact that what ever people suggested, SRC came up with something that made it impossible for her or her aunt to do. The worst of them all (in my point of view) was the fact that the aunt (not SRC) couldn't take the dog in her brand new Caddilac ( :o ) because the dog smelled so bad!! I find two things wrong in just that sentence! First of all, if the aunt has enough money to buy a brand new Caddillac, she must have enough money to care for her dog! Secondly, if she would have taken care of her dog in the first place, the dog wouldn't smell! And SRC said she's done everything she can, but in my eyes there's more that she could personally do. But I see that her aunt is the one to blame here! Things I think her [u]aunt[/u] could do: - Put a muzzle on a dog and wash it. After that putting a diaper on so that the dog wouldn't do any "accidents" while going to the vet. (this way the dog or the car wouldn't smell) - Hire a car to take the dog to the vet. - Call the local shelter to see if they could rehome the dog There are just three things to start off with. What I ment with the post was that SRC could do these things OR if she couldn't then the aunt. Things SRC could do: - Call the police - Call the nearest animal rescue organization - Sue her aunt for animal neglect - Try and talk to the aunt to give her the dog so she can either rehome it or take it to the vet. - Try and make it clear to the aunt that what she is doing to that dog is illeagal. I'm glad that SRC has tried to do the two last things and I congratulate for that, but I'm still thinking there's more to be done. Even if the police of the animal organization near her won't do anything about it, then there are higher powers she can contact by phone or by e-mail. And I will not even touch the BYB thing, as I think it's morally and ethically wrong. I could go on foreve telling why it's wrong. And here I must say I do blame SRC for beeing a BYB. I'm not just saying these things to be nasty, but because I care for the dogs. If I wouldn't have allergies I would probabely go and help with a rescue organization myself. And in a couple years or so, I'm going to start running my own hairless dog rescue here in Finland. I do understand that in some parts of the world the authoraties don't really care for cruelty to animals, but there are higher parties to contact further away. The distance isn't the problem when it comes to animal neglect.

[url]http://www.local6.com/news/2780054/detail.html[/url] "Tiny Tim is still a puppy but his owner Mandy Marks said he has not grown since he was 4 weeks old. At four inches tall at the shoulder, he is the smallest dog on record -- a title currently held by a Yorkshire terrier named Whitney, who's a half-inch taller, according to a report. Tiny Tim is four inches from nose to tail and weighs just over a pound. His size means that Marks has to be careful with him when guests are around, while she herself has been forced to change how she walks at home. "I tend to slide my feet across the floor, so if I did step on him, I'd only push him to the side," Marks said. Marks is used to small dogs. Tiny Tim's mother, a Chihuahua, named Sparkles, and his father, a Shih Tzu, named Patch, are no giants either, but Tiny Tim is by far the smallest she has raised. " Pics of Tiny-Tim: [url]http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/slideshow/family/2778127/detail.html?qs=;s=1;p=family[/url] [url]http://www.nbc30.com/slideshow/news/2778993/detail.html?qs=;s=1;p=news;w=320[/url]

I guess you're right. Thanks! :D Or then... hmm... might keep that box at home just as a bedplace for Ben. (not that he uses it.... :roll:) Better then throwing it away I guess...

I've been recently thinking of selling Ben's traveling box (that's what I call the big chunky plastic ones) and buying a crate instead (the cage type things). I'm worried that it's not that safe as it has got these little nobs that keep the top and bottom parts together. Nothing wrong there exept this "nobs" fall out when you take the top from the bottom, so I have to be very carefull when I wash it that the dogs don't eat the nobs as they fall. Ok, so you think just keep the two of them together. OK for me, but there's one more problem... The front cagelike metall door is painted. Ben has chewed on the door trying to get out while taking a car ride (not hurt himself yet) so the paint has started to chip off. Oh, and I nearly forgot... a couple of these nobs that keep the door in place have loosend so that the door might open if there would be a car crash or something like that. I have another one for Bella (Atlas) wich I think is very good and nothing like Ben's box. So... I've been thinking if I should sell the one Ben has and buy a crate instead. What do you think? The idea with the crate is that Ben hates the fact that he can't look around in the box. And in a crate, it shouldn't be a problem. Then while travelling, if the sun shines right on him or if it's too chilly, I put a blanket on top of the crate giving him some shade and warmth. (ofcourse he would have a blanket in the crate aswell) So, what do you think? I want your honist oppinion. Do you think it's a good idea or a bad idea? Do you think I should sell or not? Do you think I should buy a crate or another box? Do you think the one I have now is safe?

I agreee with Kat! This is getting nowhere and is way off the original subject anyway. Sick of fighting... *stampedes out of this thread*

I don't think I will sleep good myself either thinking of that poor dog. :cry:

[quote name='SexxieRacerChik']Please...yes I could get a ride anywhere "I" need to go...but getting someone to put a dog in their car that DOESN'T WANT TO is a different story...Jesus...open your mind and think for a second. Just because YOU are willing to do something doesn't means that SOMEONE ELSE is...my God.[/quote] And I'm sure it's so very hard to find someone who cares. Put an add in the local newspaper and I'm sure you will get replies! MANY of them. You might just be surprised at how many care!! [quote name='SexxieRacerChik']I haven't shot any of your suggestions down(except the tailpipe idea and I just don't think I could do that)..I only gave you reasons why I haven't already done it (I'm sorry that I had an accident before I found out this was going on, and I'm sorry that the rest of my family isn't as concerned about an animals welfare enough to help like I am, and I'm sorry that you can't see past your feelings for this animal to see how situations out of your hand are difficult to handle). I cannot make someone bring an animal into their OWN home against their will, nor can I make them put that animal in THEIR car against their will. Making my animals do things they don't want to do, just like a child, might be in my control..but making a grown adult is a different story.[/quote] Mmmhm... Aaand picking up a phone and calling to the local animal organization or the police is so very, very difficult to do. I'm sure you don't have a phone, or that you don't know the number and that your dog ate the phonebook so you can't search for it or... It sounds to me like you are just coming up with excuses so you DON'T have to do anything. Sounds to me like you just want us to tell you that you are doing the right thing. It's the same thing here as it is in let's say a murder case with a suspect and somebody who witnessed it and didn't tell about it. So... if you witness a murder (I know this has nothing to do with dogs, but it's an example that works) does that make YOU a murderer? No. But if you witness a murder and you don't do anything about it - you get jailtime! Think about that. [quote name='SexxieRacerChik']I never said I would have someone drive me back out there to do it, I only told you how far it was and that no one was willing...I had actually planned on mailing the medication to her..it's not that hard to crush up some pills and put it in some canned dog food. (Should it have been made clear that it would be ok...that was my original question if you can sort through all this nonsense and see that)[/quote] [b]WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?![/b] Mailing pills in a can of food, so that the owner doesn't know what you are doing and that suddenly the dog gets cramps, starts to scream and twitch untill the dog dies?! THAT is a humaine way of going then?! AND I DON'T THINK THE DOG NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN!! HELL, THE DOG HAS ONLY COMMITTED THE CRIME OF [b]BEEING OLD!![/b] [quote name='SexxieRacerChik'][b]You need to realize that alot of people do not regard animals in the same regard that you or I may.[/b] To some people they are animals..a souless creature God put here for our enjoyment. Not everyone feels as ademently about them as others. I for one cannot change that, or help it for that fact. People realize that animals were once outside creatures and that we brought them into our homes for OUR enjoyment purposes...alot of people feel animals are just fine living outdoors..Iguess she thought that..I dunno, she hasn't ever answered me why she didn't just have her put down instead)[/quote] ...And thoose people should never own a dog, take "care" of a dog, talk about getting a dog or let alone LOOK at a dog! [quote name='SexxieRacerChik']While I DO NOT agree with this state of mind...I do understand that some people do think like this. Trust me...I haven't just been "nagging" her I have been barrading her about it. Trying to make her feel bad, telling her how horrible of a person she is for it, letting her know that she as a Christian(and she really likes to let people know this) [b]should feel ashamed [/b]for treating one of God's creatures, that she took responsibility for, is suffering like she is.[/quote] Here you have been doing the right thing, but that's not all you can do! CALL THE POLICE! CALL THE ANIMAL ORGANIZATION IN THE AREA!! If this doesn't work (wich I think will to 100%) the hire a van and get that driver to drive you to the vet to get the dog taken care of! After baths and Tender Love and Care that the dog probabely never has gotten, then put it to sleep if there is nothing else to do. First get a good check up on the dog!! [quote name='SexxieRacerChik']The way some people look at things and the way you might aren't always the same..and getting your point across to someone who obviously has made their mind up..is a next to impossible thing to do. A person who is trying to do the right thing will always try to view what a wrong person's point of view is, try to understand why they are doing/thinking liek they are, try to change that point of view, or atleast try to bring across to the person WHY they are thought wrong.[/quote] Or try to call the police! [quote name='SexxieRacerChik']Critisize me all you want...it only show's what type person you are..that you are unwilling to look at facts that cannot be changed or diferent people's points of view, no matter how misconstrued they may be.[/quote] It can be changed. BY PICKING UP THE PHONE!! My God, is that so difficult?! :roll: [quote name='SexxieRacerChik']Yes I sleep in a warm bed at night..along with MY dogs. I take excellent care of MY animals..I cannot keep every animal out of plight. And will not make myself feel bad for something I had no control over.[/quote] You HAVE controll over it! There's nothing you can say to me to make me believe otherwise! [quote name='SexxieRacerChik']And obviously a few of you missed the reply concerning the Animal control. We don't have the RSPCA or the ASPCA. Our "animal control" consists of 1 facility and that facility picks up strays from the city..not the country where she lives. I wish we HAD one of the type animal facilities that other states have. I watch Animal Cops and think..if we had this type agency I would call them on several people I know. But we don't. Unless someone has "physically" harmed an animal/person out in public (basically translating into harming humans surrounding the site where the incident occurred) the police will not come out. And when I say "physically harmed" I mean violence...guns/knives/ect. You may not believe me, but animal abuse control in this state is seriously lacking...as horrible as it sounds..they really just DON'T care.[/quote] Ha! There's no way I believe this crap! Sorry, but I don't! The Animal Organization might be far away, but you'd be surprized on how long distances they work. And I'm sure you haven't picked up the phone and asked about it. This is appauling and horrible! You can't make me think that the police don't want to do anything. I'd go higher and higher and further and further untill I'd get someone to listen and do something about it. Not to mention I stated several posts above..that my uncle promised me when he came in tommorrow that Saturday morning he would rent a truck and have this taken care of...I think mostly because they are tired of me calling and harrassing them over it.[/quote]

Sexxy: I must say I agree with Michelle. You say you want help, but when you get it you come up with things that stop you from doing anything. It's like you just want people telling you what you want instead of the truth! The truth beeing that you can do something about it wich doesn't mean driving there yourself. You could call to the RSPCA or what ever you call it (don't remember now the english word for the people who go to people's homes if they get complains about pets beeing mistreated and who then take the pet to the vet and rehome it or if nothing is to be done - put it to sleep AT THE VET). You can't say there's nothing you can do! There are PLENTY of things you can do. Including calling the Police and telling them about this neglect! And there is nothing you can say to make me think that your aunt loves this dog. Absolutelu, positively NOTHING! If someone loves a pet, they don't just shove it outside in the cold when things get rough! If you call the police, you can stay anonomous. This means that your aunt will never know who called to them. You say your parents don't care about the situation and don't want to drive you there - what kind of people would let this go on?! This is like taking an 80-year-old person and putting it outside in the cold because he or she is old!! It's the exacly same thing!! Would they allow that to go on? Probabely not. You want help and you're getting it! You wanted the truth - you're getting it! You say you've done everything you can do and that there isn't anything more to do. You are WRONG! There are so, so, SO many things you can do! I've told you several things already (wich you haven't said anything about btw). And I agree with Lucky Chaos on the biting thing. The first thing that popped into my head was that the dog has not got enough human contact. And again the n word... it has been NEGLECTED!

[quote name='Michele'][quote]Hehe... Michele, do you think it would have been better to put all of those messages into one? [/quote] Crested: LOL..sorry..i'm just so mad!!!![/quote] I know how you feel... :evil:

[quote name='Michele']geez..i've never had a problem with Hillside...or anyone else on this board for that matter.........[/quote] Same here! In fact, Hillside is my sis! Well... ok... my "cyber sis" then. :lol: And sexxie... I must say I agree with Hillside on the troll thing. :o

Hehe... Michele, do you think it would have been better to put all of those messages into one? 8) You have a very good point though and I totally agree! I can not understand how you SexxyRacerChick can say that you are an animal lover when you let this go on. And I do agree with Michele with the "when there's a will there's a way". I have in my head a million ways to get that dog out of there (but not necceccarely put to sleep, because I still think there can be done more then just that for this dog). I can totally understand that the dog is scared and frightend when it's picked up because of the deafness and the blindness. Still that proves a very serious point to me - it doesn't trust his/her owner (is it a he or a she? Am I blind or have I missed that?). Just remember that the dog has three more sences: smell, feel and taste. I'll say one more thing. If that was my dog, it would wear a diaper that would be changed several times a day. No mess, no cleaning up from the floors, no smell (besides when you have to wash the dog's bottom like you do with babies) and the dog can [i]feel[/i] warm and mabye even [i]smell[/i] or why not [i]taste[/i] something good. If I was you, I would take that dog out of there no matter what! And I personally wouldn't whine about the smell! And yes, I too think you are a troll!

[quote name='Lucky Chaos']I have one question, if you can't get within 10 feet of the dog, how do you give it any attention? I'm sorrybut your aunt is NO animal lover. :evil:[/quote] I'm absolutely with you on this! And I would allso want to know the anwser to that question!

Ha ha! You guys crack me up! :lol: I still can't figure out what politics have to do with crating dogs.. Oh, well... :grins: I'm not American (I don't even understand what beeing American or not beeing American has to do with the whole thing... :hmmmm:) but I do crate my dogs. Not often, but I do. The problem is that I haven't crate trained them, so they hate beeing there wich is OK, but sometimes I have to crate them. There are times that crating is the only sollution. (or locking them up in another room, but I think crating is more kind) For example if we get guest who are afraid of dogs, then it's more kind for both the guests and the dogs to crate them. Another example is if you are cleaning the house with stuff that are dangerous to the dogs and you can't do that with just locking the door. So, it's easier to crate the dogs. If we're cleaning the house and taking the carpets outside (door open during this, so that it would be easy for the dogs to run out and mabye get hit by a car) it's easier and more safe for the dogs to be crated for a while. The same thing if it's really hot inside, that we have to keep the doors and windows open to cool off. I don't do it often or unneccecarilly, but when there's no other way. And I don't think it's that horrible. Bella sleeps in her crate, Ben doesn't because he hates it. Bella sleeps in hers no matter if the top is on or off. But she cries when the door is locked. Ben just doesn't want to be near the crate no matter what. Still, I'd like him to get used to it, but I don't force it. There are allso times that he HAS to be crated no questions asked. One of those times are when travelling. That keeps him safe, us safe and the travelling goes ok. He's car sick, so that makes it so that the car isn't filled with vomit either and it's easy to clean. Call me cruel, call me nasty or call me friends with Americans - I can be all of those things! :diablotin:

Ok, I read every single post and every single word and boy and I mad! :evil: I totally agree to 100% to what Hillside said! If it would be Ben or Bella, I would walk through hell and back to get them the medical treatment they needed. I would have NEVER let it go that far! I know I don't have money to spare for anything, but that isn't anything, it's MY BABY! Sell the damned Caddillac and get the dog some help for God's sake! A car shouldn't be a priority! A car isn't alive, it can't feel pain and suffering - A DOG CAN!! I'm SO furious over here! That dog NEEDS help! For God's sake, I'll take the plain over there, get the dog and come back here to Finland. I'll wash it clean, show it some love and if I would see there's nothing to be done, I would go to the vet to the other side of the world if I had to and get it put down humainly! I would never put a dog down in any other way then at the vet's. NO EXCUSES! Money is a poor excuse when it comes to the welfare of a loved dog. Smell is even worse!! So what the dog smells?! If the dog would have been properly taken care of it wouldn't smell! I honistly believe in the fact that what you do now might come and bite you in the butt later and this is a perfect example! Your aunt should have taken care of the dog the dog's entire life, not just chain it to the tree outside! That is SICK!!!! :evil: Aaargh! I'm so steamed up over here!! I could go on forever about this right now and it would just get more and more ugly from the point it is now. You don't want anyone saying anything bad about your aunt - then why did you come here? Here you find out the truth, it's another thing if you are ready to handle the truth! The truth is that you're aunt has neglected her dog - SEVERELY! There is NO excuse for that kind of a neglect!! I still think the same as I did before - wash the dog and put a diaper on it! Take the dog to the vet in that brand new Caddillac and then trash the car if you can't get the smell out and buy a new one! I would sell my soul to the devil itself to get my dogs the best care possible if something like this would happen to them. And I swear to you all that that will NEVER EVER happen to my dogs!! And that shouldn't have happend to that dog either! The dog smells? Tough! If it would have been taken care of, it wouldn't smell now! Your aunt has nobody to blaim but HERSELF!

Can I send a suggestion? Take the dog inside to your bathroom so that the poor thing can get warm first. Then wash her so she gets clean and mabye even blow dry her. After this put a baby's diaper on her and take her to the vet. You don't get the problem with the smell, the urinating or anything like that. Cuddle and pet her for a while before you go and continue doing so at the vet untill she falls asleep. I think it's the most humaine thing you can do. I understand if you can't drive, but get someone else to take you. If you do it this way, the dog can be in your lap and feel safe the entire way. (sorry if I missed something, as I didn't read all of the posts... yet... *continues reading*)

Just thought I'd brighten up your day! :D