Crested

I counted their breeds and came to 84. And there might be more as the 10:th page of breeds didn't work for me. And I would recomend everyone to read the FAQ page. :roll:

They breed Chinese Cresteds too!! :o And the picture there is FROM A BOOK!! :evil: And about them it reads: [quote]Average feeding cost is $15[/quote] Ok... what food, how often, what quality, how much and for how many dogs?! And for Ben and Bella.. I don't even know the feeding costs. One 3kg sack of Nutro food costs about 9,00

Oh, poor Ellie! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for her! Give her a hug from me, Zoey!

Thanks Roo! :D I e-mail, call, chat etc. with Bella's breeder, so I have no troubles what so ever with that! ;-) And don't wonder if I sometime take you up on your offer! ;-) And about the rest of the post you sent... Kind of harsh, but I TOTALLY agree with everything you've said!! Well done! Hoorey for Roo!! :bday:

I agree with Gooeydog... [quote]Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 [/quote] Rita lifted this thread up from way back...

[quote name='Kiwi']I don't see why people get offended by the term Mutt either. It's not meant to be derogatory, it's definition is dog of unknown origin :roll: I think saying Mutts are healthier than purebreds is absolutely rubbish. You know what problems can crop up from a purebred, so you know exactly what to test for. And who does health clearances on crossbreds? You wouldn't even know where to start for testing![/quote] I agree Kiwi. And even if your dog is healthy, your dog's parents, siblings, cousins and so on, might not be. I don't think there is a line of purebred (or crossbreed) dogs that have no health problems what so ever. So I think that if breeding two dogs of the same breed can cause health problems, then why not two of diffirent breeds? I see it as just as big of a chanse. For example I saw a crossbreed in the tv once between a Chihuahua and a Labrador. And putting such a huge size diffirence together... I can only guess that means trouble. And when we have this many dog breeds already, why make new ones? I've heard so many who have said thay are working on a new breed. Some say that oodle and poo mixes are new breeds aswell. And I see no point in doing so. I see poo and oodle dogs as cocktails. Period. And I feel the same way for these "new" breeds.

Michele: I don't think it has anything to do with size. Ben has been that way since he was a baby. Bella's been like that since she was a baby. ;-)

I thought I'd ask how many have Cresteds here? Many know that I have two hairless Cresties myself. I asked about this quite a while ago, but I thought I'd ask again now. I mean... surely there has come more members since I first asked, so... What kind of personalities do they have? Ben is a pretty frightend boy and afraid of pretty much everything. After his neutering, he has allso calmed down a lot and enjoys sitting on the sofa nowadays. Bella is a complete opposite of Ben. She's... A Diva! That's the only word that can describe her. She loves to be the centre of attention.

[quote name='courtnek']ok, first of all... [quote]I want show quality dogs, BUT I know that not all puppies in the litterbox will become that[/quote] crested, THAT cracked me up....I have a cat...a "litterbox" is NOT something you rear puppies in.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (not laughing at you, I just cant stop laughing at "litterbox"...) [/quote] Ehem.... :oops: That was a rough translation from Finnish... Here we call the "box" where the mummy nurses her pups for a "litterbox". (Litter = puppy litter) Anyway... thanks again. :angel:

2 Chinese Cresteds 1 Akita 1 Alaskan Malamute 1 American Cocker Spaniel 2 American Pit Bull Terriers 1 Border Collie 2 British Bulldogs 2 Bull Terriers 1 Boxer 2 Chihuahuas 2 Chinese Cresteds 1 Labrador Retriever 3 Lhasa Apsos 9 Mixed breed dogs 4 Newfoundlands 3 Rottweilers 4 Saint Bernards 2 Shar-peis 2 Staffordshire Bull Terriers 2 Standard Poodles 1 Toy Poodle 1 West Highland Terrier

I thought I'd ask what you guys think about the new trend - oodle and poo mixes. Everyone has their own oppinion and I'd like to hear yours. Is it OK? Should they be puliced as "new breeds"?

I'm with bk and hmmm on this one! It's fantastic that somebody believes strongly about somthing, but it's not nessecary to try and push their beliefs to somebody else. I'm in the Lutheric church myself and even if I don't go to the church that ofter or pray every night, I still believe. I don't need anybody else pushing their beliefs on me. I have my own, they have theirs and it's fine just like that. :) And this is not directed to you peng1 in any way or the Jehovah's witnesses. I mean religions and beliefs in general. Not a specific religion.

[quote name='Kat']If Crested likes the temperament of Bella, and wants a puppy to carry on her disposition, then that is her business.[/quote] Thanks Kat! Bella's temperament is one of the many reasons I want to breed her, but not the only reason. Here is the rough list of the reasons I would like to breed her: - temperament - size - hair (many are [u]much[/u] more hairy then she is) - colour - looks - pedigree (of 30 dogs 21 are atleast a Ch of one country) - pedigree (most are true hairless if not powder puffs) Here's the rough list why I wouldn't breed her: - if she don't pass her health tests (eyes, knees etc.) - if she gets somekind of disease (allergies etc.) And a rough list why I'm thinking of not breeding her in the first place: - one blue-eyed sister - one deaf sister - problems of slight upper- and lower bite in the family Still on the last list, I've figured that none of them really have a worse quality of life. Blue eyes are just of that color (not blind). The reason for the deafness might be the leathal gene of the Crested as the powder sister that has this, doesn't have any pigment on her body. And the slight upper- or lower bite just make it so the pup has to go to a pet home and nothing more. Still I will tell the puppy buyers these things that they will know about it! I went back to the first pages and picked these things up, that I'd like to comment if somebody still thinks I'm going to be a BYB [quote name='Kiwi']A BYB to me is 1. Who breeds unregistered dogs or pet quality dogs. 2. Crossbreeds (Grrrr, don't get me started on that one) 3. Someone who doesn't do all the right health clearances for their breed. 4. Doesn't research their pedigrees. IE Quite often mating on looks alone 5. Won't rescue 6. Doesn't screen homes 7. Doesn't breed for the betterment of the breed [/quote] 1. I would never breed unregisterd dogs or on purpouse pet quality dogs! But I am realistic about the fact that even breeding a Ch dog to a Ch dog and the pedigree of the litter would only have Ch dogs, there would still be pet quality dogs in the litter. In a dreamworld all of the pups would become Ch. 2. I hate crossbreeding. And I quote Kiwi: "Don't get me started on that one" 3. Health is the number one thing for me! 4. ...as is the pedigree 5. I'm even thinking of starting a hairless dog rescue myself. 6. Ofcourse I will! The main target is to give good, loving and warm homes! 7. And I am going to breed for the betterment of the breed and no other reason! [quote name='Rosebud'][b]BYB [/b]are hobby breeders that do not care to prove that the dogs they are breeding are sound enough to breed or what happens to the pups once they get PAID.[/quote] I do not care about the money. I care for the dogs I use, their parents, their grand parents etc. and the puppies. [quote name='Peng1zrule']And as for "backyard breeders" --while leaving the dogs alone in the yard is a common feature, BYB means an uneducated owner breeding dogs together in thier own home with no show qualifications or even working the dogs to see if they are capable of doing the job the breed is intended to do.[/quote] I'm going on a breeder course in a couple months. That's a must here to get a kennel name. Then when the second course comes here (I guess next year) I will go to that one too. And I can't even breed only in my own home as I only have a fixed male. And that was the reason why I fixed Ben! Still think me as a BYB?

I totally agree! Hmm... thinking about this now... I should have put this thread on Debates... :oops: (too fast fingers) Thanks K for moving this for me! :)

if I can anwser all questions in one go. ;-) [u][b]For Courtnek:[/b][/u] [b]first, I appreciate your asking me. It makes me feel like you trust my judgement, and I do appreciate that. [/b] I do trust your judgement and that's why I thought I'd ask you. :) [b]Personally, it depends a great deal on what you want. If you want show-quality dogs, I wouldnt breed her until she has at least 2 wins under her belt. If you are breeding pet quality it doesnt really matter, but I am gathering you want "best of breed" puppies...your plans for treating her, breeding her and your health and welfare concerns are better than most breeders have. You obviously care, and you obviously intend to do the best for your pups. That is NOT BYB... [/b] I want show quality dogs, BUT I know that not all puppies in the litterbox will become that. THAT is why I see it's more important to get good homes then to sell them to homes that ONLY care about show. Show has to be a hobby. Not a lifestyle. [b]If you do the health, DNA and hips/ears/ etc health checks, and she passes, then you need to decide. Do you want to breed potential show winners, or pets? You will end up with both in any litter.[/b] Both. Seems weird to many, but that's just me beeing realistic. I will breed for show, but as I said I know there will be dogs that aren't show quality in the litterbox aswell. Those will go to pet homes instead of me taking people into believing they are show dog quality. The ones that are show dog quality, I will sell to show homes. [b]Best of luck to you. If I can help you in any way feel free to ask. You WILL make mistakes Crested, we all do. Just learn from them, and you'll be doing your dogs a good service.[/b] Thank you, hun! I will ask if there is anything that comes to mind. :) I feel like breeding dogs is like walking on a trapese in a circus. If you start falling to the left, you have to correct it by putting more weight to the right. If you then start falling to the right, you have to correct it by leaning a bt to the left... So I see it as a well balanced thing. If you see that a dog has something wrong let's say healthwise and you chose to overlook it. It's the same as just falling from the trapese even if you knew what to do to correct it. [u][b]For Kendalyn:[/b][/u] [b]Can I ask what intentions your breeder had for Bella when he/she sold her to you? Was she sold to you as show quality or pet quality?[/b] Bella was sold to me as a show quality dog, because I told the breeder that I wanted a show dog. [b]If Bella turns out to do poorly in shows or obedience and agility then how can you say you are breeding dogs for anything other than pet quality? [/b] I'm going with Bella to "dog school" as we call it, wich is practically the first steps of obediance. If she does well (she's a fast learner. I've already started with some basic obediabce) then I will go by that. I will allso look for an agility course. I was looking for one last summer for Ben, but didn't find one, so I'm not too hopefull about that (I live in a very small town). So it might be that I have to wait untill I move away from home to do that. If she turns out good with agility (wich I think she just might, as she loves running, jumpind and speed) then I will go by that with breeding her. And if she turns out to be good in the show ring, I will go by that. So it all depends on Bella if I even will breed her. [b]Maybe I missed it, but I still don't understand why you want to breed Bella? [/b] I would like to breed Bella but not before she's tested, been in the show ring and had atleast a couple good placements and before she's about 1,5 years old. That's the minimum for me. I mean, I wouldn't breed her before that age. [b]Of course there are a LOT of breeders who are way way more irresponsible than you would be and I think your plan is fundamentally OK (a good BYB but still a BYB) Although I would rather most people not breed at all, you seem to want to go about it the right way. :)[/b] I want to do it right. I really do. For Bella's and the future puppies sake. [b]Isn't everything you listed something that a judge would look at in the show ring?[/b] I guess so... But I still think that breeding ONLY for show ring is as wrong as breeding ONLY for pet quality. [b][u]Horsefeathers![/u][/b] I TOTALLY agree with you! That is the number one reason why I don't want to obsess about Ch titles.

[quote name='kendalyn']Can you explain how you would be bettering the breed? I'm sure Bella is a lovely dog, but how will you be bettering the breed by breeding a dog who has not performed well? [/quote] I'm sorry, I think I missed this question in my last two replies. Can I ask you one thing? Is it bettering the breed if you focus on ONLY show and champions? I mean, sure that should ofcourse be focused on, but not the ONLY focusing point, right? What about health, temperament, teeth (as teeth and the hairless gene go hand in hand), naturally erect ears (instead of taping), good size (instead of too big for the breed standard), hair (as most of the cresteds seem to be more or less shaved hairless), skin (as cresteds tend to have zits, blackheads etc) and many more. If you ONLY focus on the showing, will you get a good result? If you focus on ALL of these things equally, then will you not get a better result with the puppies?

Oh, and I forgot... Here dogs can not get a Ch title before the age of 24 months (it takes three certificates from three diffirent judges and the last has to come after the age of 24 months. After that you can apply for the Ch title for your dog). And [u]very[/u] few dogs can even succeed this (if I have understood correcly). So... if I would breed Bella only AFTER she would have gotten her title, she might be between 2 and 8 years old. So I have to keep that in mind!

[quote name='kendalyn']Crested, I'm not meaning to upset you, but yes I think your plan does put you into the BYB category. You are planning to breed Bella before she has even started showing or competing in any events and you plan on breeding her whether she does well or not. Can you explain how you would be bettering the breed? I'm sure Bella is a lovely dog, but how will you be bettering the breed by breeding a dog who has not performed well? Can you tell me how you are different from SRC in your proposed breeding practices?[/quote] I came here to see your thoughts on my plans for breeding. You know plans can change and I'm still not a breeder. ;-) And it's not like I have a litter on the way or anything. I just really dislike the fact of BYB's but I think there can be a very thin line between BYBs and "normal" breeders (I know, I know... lack of words!). But is it really showing that is the ONLY diffirence? Is it that if you breed dogs for showing, you are a good breeder and if you do the exact same things but don't breed for showing you're a BYB? Hehe... Actually I AM going to shows! Actually I've enterd Bella in two shows already that are in about two months. So if you understood that I'm not going to show her before breeding, you misunderstood, hun! :-) I ment that if she doesn't get her Ch title, I will not worry about that. It might be even that she doesn't like beeing in the show ring as some dogs don't. That doesn't make her any less of a quality dog, now does it? And I think I'm very much diffirent from SRC's breeding practices. For the first I AM going to breed for showing and even going to try and breed for Agility and Obediance. The two later ones will require a LONG time as Cresteds aren't used for obediance and very, very little for agility as far as I know. To tell you the truth, I don't know a single crest who is a Ch in agility or obediance. So that's one long time goal for me. But, knowning that most of the dogs that are bred for showing still end up in pet homes, I will not stress about that fact. I will put pups in show homes, but in the kind of homes that if the pup grows up with a flaw like an upper bite (upper jaw more forward then normal) or something like that, that the dog will still be loved instead of thrown aside. And then another thing is that when I look for a mate for Bella, I try and find some stud that fill her flaws. I mean... Bella's not got that good teeth (OK, but not brilliant), so I will be looking for a mate with very good teeth and who is from a line of dogs with good teet. Bella is small, so the mate can be a bit bigger (still not over 30cm as 33 is the top height in the breed standard. Ben is 33 and I think it's too much). Bella's got more hair than I would like to, so I'll be looking for a true hairless mate. Bella doesn't have a Ch yet and just in case she doesn't get one, I'm going to look for a Ch mate. So I look at it as a puzzle game. The pieces that are missing from Bella, I try my best to fill with the mate so that there will be very few or no pieces at all that stay missing. Oh, and I'm ready to go to the end of the world to find the perfect mate for Bella. Well... atleast as far as my wallet allows me to... (I guess that's the biggest problem for any breeder) I will not settle for a dog I don't like just because he lives close. And the reason why I neuterd Ben was that I didn't want his allergies, size, temperament etc. to carry their journey through him.

I thought I'd ask as I run in to this thing regulary. Many people think that it's ok to breed x-breeds (don't like the word mutt). They have all kinds of arguments that make it ok. I've heard these things: - they have two pure breed dogs of diffirent breeds that they want puppies from, because the two are so good and adorable that the owners think it's good to get offspring from. - they say that x-breeds are more healthy then purebreeds - people are breeding so many purebreeds, why not x-breeds? - they feel sad for the x-breeds as they see that some people think they are "less worthy" then purebreeds - they just want puppies to care for - they are short with money and they need it fast. So... Is there an excuse for breeding x-breeds on purpouse? Sure I'd love to get a Crested and Peruvian Hairless mix someday and I even concidured having a Crest-Peruvian litter (Doesn't mean that I'm goint to do it). But is there anything that makes breeding "cocktails" right? [size=2](I hope this doesn't turn into a fight)[/size]

Marion: Ha ha! You're right! :D

[quote name='mouseatthebusstop']they are not dogs they are aliens[img]http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/aliens/very_first_smiley.gif[/img][/quote] I totally agree!! :new-alien:

[quote name='K']But Peng that WAS a "Guest" not us..... :( ...sorry if you were offended...[/quote] I agree with K. It was a guest and not one of us...

Is there really any doubt of it? :o [img]http://personal.inet.fi/koti/crested/misc/alien.jpg[/img] [img]http://personal.inet.fi/koti/crested/misc/alien2.jpg[/img]

I've been thinking that my dogs are members of a secret organization that watches and tries to figure out what humans do. The reason for this is that I've had things disappear mysteriously! :o A couple pencils, a bottom of a shoe, an ear ring, a dust sheet... (I'm sure I'm forgetting some things aswell) We've gone through the entire house from top to bottom. We've inspected every crack in the floor and even the dogs poop (yuck!). NOTHING! And the thing that is even more weird... both of them listen to OPERA!! And both of them SING daily very high and very hard! So the only thing that explains this is that the dogs are members of a secret organization or that they work for aliens. [img]http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_11_6.gif[/img]

Thanks Shara! :angel: [quote name='Malamum'][quote]I will show Bella, but I don't really care if she becomes a champion or not. If she does, it's hooray for her, but if she doesn't it's ok. She's still my little diva and I love her to bits. [/quote] Crested, if Bella failed to receive her championship would you still breed with her?[/quote] I would. Because when you go to a show, you get put into diffirent classes. I don't know how it's around there as I've been "studying" only Finnish dog shows, but here we have a class for them who aren't what the breed standard says the dog has to be and a class for those who are. So in my eyes, that's enough for me to say ok. Because if Bella gets into that second class, then that means that the judge thinks she is what the breed standard says she should be. It would be a diffirent thing if she would be placed in the other group. Oh, and I forgot to mention. I will breed for show, but probabely most puppies will go to pet homes. I think it's more important to get a good home to the pup that cares for him/her then a home that searches only for a showdog. I've heard of people who have bought a puppy for showing and when the pup then grows up with a flaw, they are sold again or given up... (or worse) So... I'd rather have puppies that are fore and foremost pets that have shows as a hobby then dogs that are just for showing and nothing more. Still I will try and make show quality pups. It's then the owners decition if they want to show or not.