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[quote name='K']I have not done anything as yet...because so many people voted no as well as some voting yes...very confusing to know what to do for the best...maybe a poll?..or would that be going back over old ground... :-?[/quote] He's going to disappear again anyway now that it has been made very clear that no one buys his bull crap stories and Mei Mei (and myself, but she is [i]way[/i] better known) has posted her email exchange with RNP's 'friend'. That said, I'd vote to ban... honestly though, at this point why bother with a vote? He has been proven to be an accomplished liar who, in addition to dragging in numberous board members also took a moderator for a ride... OTOH, if you decide to vote again, I'll make sure to vote for banning. Michelle

[quote name='K']I can see and ban IPs and can ban usernames and e-mails ..but only one at a time...it took days with "you know who" to cover every name and address she used[/quote] Sounds good... have you ever looked into banning MAC addresses? The person would have to get a whole new computer to get past that! I don't know who 'you know who' is, any realtion to 'he who must not be named'? 8) Michelle

[quote name='roo']Oh and please inform us all of where you are tryig to get a rescue so we can all help you not :lol: Roo[/quote] That's easy, if you have evidence that she is a BYB and is an irresponsible owner, just email a few doberman rescues, all breed rescues and doberman breed clubs. If you can back up your claims her name and info will circulate the DNA lists very quickly. Michelle

A question for the mods... Do you track IP or MAC addresses? Banning someone is useless if you have no way to help assure that they don't just rejoin under a different name or continually post as a guest. I have a feeling RNP is going to hide for a while again, it's tough when you are exposed, and proven to be, a liar. Michelle

[quote name='sashagirl']mnp13, I know you mean well, but this person is just trolling.. Trying to get a rise out of us... If you just ignore her/him/it, they will go away... :wink: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS![/quote] :oops:

[quote name='sashagirl']I think maybe we are missing something here? Maybe a little backgroud could be given? If we are not going to get the chance to debate, maybe you should just take your personal argument elsewhere.[/quote] Perhaps I can shed some light for you.... The post by 'Anonymous' was directed at JaquelineC from PitBullForum. JaquelineC has had some trouble with her dogs in the past year or so, with a few injuries (some severe) and one dog dieing. JaquelineC has been very upfront on PitBullForum about what has happened with her dogs and a simple PM gets you the full story. Someone from PBF obviously tipped Jac off that she was being trashed over here and she came over to defend herself. Michelle

Well, regardless of you being a BYB or not, every rescue I have ever delt with makes you get the dog altered, if they even release it before the surgery. Also, why would you get another dog if you already have to keep your dogs in kennels in the back yard at someone else's house and one of the people in the house is 'deathly afraid' of your dogs???? It's also potentially very dangerous to kennel dogs together unsupervised. You could easily come home to two dead or seriously injured dogs. I personally know two people who have returned home to this nightmare (and neither of the dogs involved in etiehr incident were pit bulls) Michelle

[quote name='cheekymunkee']That is only a small sample of some of the crap she has spewed. You can continue to respect & like her all you want, just don't expect any one else to follow suit. Actualy only a very small portion of the pit bull world puts ANY stock in ANY thing she says. Sure, she published a couple of books, she tells a good story..... so what??[/quote] Ok... if you would PM me with places I coudl double check some of this stuff I'd appreciate it. Not that I think you're lieing, but I prefer to read this sort of stuff for myself. On the subject of temperament testing, I am 100% against her philosophy, and have told her that on another board. Michelle

[quote name='Anonymous']I am not sure what you think would be accomplished by licensing breeders. What would be your criteria for granting licenses? Why wouldn't it be easier (and much more easily accomplished) to just make it illegal to own intact unregistered (AKC or UKC only, please) pit bulls? If that doesn't solve the problem, make it a requirement that any pit bull have a CGC by a year old to remain intact. And if THAT doesn't solve the problem, make it illegal to breed any pit bull that doesn't have at least a CD and illegal to have an intact pit bull over 18 months old who doesn't have at least a CD. [/quote] So, according to you, all responsible pit bull owners should be punished because the irresponsible BYB's keep churning out junk dogs with bad temperaments? This is not a 'pit bull' problem, it is a problem with every breed. I think EVERY breeder should have to be liscenced. I don't care if you are breeding shelties or mastiffs. If you breed dogs you should have to pay for a liscense and a per litter fee. It would be easy to enforce, just go though the paper and check every person who has dogs for sale. BYB's are the source of the millions of dogs in shelters, not responsible ethical breeders. Ethical breeders could easily add the added fees into thier puppy cost, as someone who is willing to pay $1500 for a dog probably won't balk at paying an extra $50-100. No legislation should be specific to any breed. Strict breeding legislation would be great - for EVERY breed. Michelle

[quote name='Sharpeigirl']Yes Pits do bite people, but so do rotties, GSD's, Golden's, Labs, heck any breed of dog can bite & possabliy kill a child. Just cause it's a pit it gets more covrage then say your neighbors out of control lab.[/quote] When a short haired, square headed dog bites someone it is automatically a 'pit bull'. When a golden retreiver bites someone people immediately ask 'what did you do to that poor dog to make it bite you???' When a short haired mutt on a chain bites someone it's a 'vicious pit bull attack'. In my city two pure bred pit bulls attacked a 60 year old man a few years ago while he was shovelling his drive way. He lost his arm halfway between the shoulder and elbow. In a subsequent interview he said that he did not blame the dogs, he blamed the owners. If anyone had a reason to hate pit bullss it was this man who has the next 20 years or so of his life to live as an amputee. The press is a MAJOR problem for pit bulls. 'Dog bites child' doesn't sell papers, 'pit bull bites child' DOES. They also usually forget to include details about the neglect that the dog is subjected to every day and the fact that the child was unsupervised. Most dog bites (70%) are by a CHAINED or FENCED dog. What parent in their right mind allows a child to approach a chained or fenced dog??? The press never does stories on the importance of personal responsibility. Michelle

Nothing in my email is technically a lie, I am 'interested' in the dogs. (The thought of actually buying one makes me ill though....) RNP, it seems that your friend is completely unaware that Drey is neutered, and this email exchange is from AFTER you claim to have contacted him and told him he needed to correct his website. (times on the emails are local to NY) [color=blue]>From: "Michelle" <> >Reply-To: <> >To: <oboykennels@hotmail.com> >Subject: breeding >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:54:40 -0400 > >Hello, > >I am very interested in your dogs! I see you have a bred Nuttso and >Pocahontas but are you going to be producing any dogs from Diallo or >Dreydin any time soon? > >I would be interested in a female blue puppy - how much are they and will >they come registered? Will you ship dogs? > >Thanks, > >Michelle [/color] [color=red] From: "Oboy Kennels" <oboykennels@hotmail.com> To : <> CC : Date : Mon, 24 May 2004 12:15:38 -0500 Subject : RE: breeding -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- we gonna breed glory and dreydin we she come into her next heat. should b real soon. most of that litter will b blues. diallo is a pup but dreydin should have some litters coming this summer,nuttso is a 80 lbs 1year male. hes gonna b 1 of the best fawn wit blue brindle due 2 his detailing. we cant weight 4 him 2 add some weight, he such a tall dog. yes we ship. the pups out of nuttso n poca r gonna b $300-$500 depending on what ur trying 2 spend. we would love 2 due busy with u and work with pricing and breedings. [/color] And a second response email: [color=red]From: "Oboy Kennels" <oboykennels@hotmail.com> To : <> CC : Date : Mon, 24 May 2004 12:20:19 -0500 Subject : RE: breeding -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- our dog r blues r ukc registerd and whites r ckc registered [/color]

[quote name='K']Find one person????...I can find you many, many....I myself was also wrong about her...the Dreadlives site was fine and dandy and helped me make a great springpole but then I became unwitting party to the truth about her and her disposals[/quote] Ok.. I was wrong, plenty of people dislike her. And no one 'has' to respect her. I happen to think she's done a lot of good for the breed. Admittedly, I don't know a ton about her, mostly only what I've been told by someone who likes her a lot. That, of course, would give me a biased view. What is the 'truth about her' that you are referring to? Michelle[/i]

[quote name='Anonymous'][quote]She is hypocritical and dishonest.[/quote] All you have to do is look at how she's jerking people around with this Fully Bully mag to see that![/quote] Fine. Like her or don't like her. It's all the same to me. I have never been all that interested in Fully Bully, especially since I don't choose to afford it. I do respect a lot of the work she has done for the breed. Do I like everything she stands for and do I agree with everything she says? No, of course not. I think dog fighters are animal abusing scum, but I know I can learn from them on wound care and how to save a dog dieing from shock instead of taking them to a vet. Sashagirl has an excellent point. I am a member of a number of different boards, and I would HOPE that if a member here turned out to be a liar that other members of this 'community' would tell other boards about it. I work in rescue and there are DNA (do not adopt) lists all over the place - if boards didn't share information with each other then DNA's could easily board hop to do their dirty work. Sure, many slip through the cracks, but every little bit helps. Michelle

[quote name='Hmmmm']mnp13.... do you think this apology is meant for you??[/quote] Did I ever say that it was? I simply commented that it was good she saw the truth. [quote name='Hmmmm']Im sorry, and maybe Im mistaken but, I dont really think anyone of these "guest" people from other boards deserve any kind of "apology" for anything! Call me crazy...[/quote] Did I miss the part where I am not a member of this board? Perhaps you did not see that I have a login name? Am I new to posting here? Yes, however, I have been reading this forum for quite some time... and who asked you anyway? [quote name='Hmmmm']Isnt mnp13 the one who said "find one person in the bully world who doesnt respect Diane Jessup"? Coming and telling us about our dishonest person while you seem to have pretty high thoughts about another! lol[/quote] You don't have to like her, but you have to respect the work she has done for the pit bull overall. I don't agree with everything she has to say, but I can appreciate her work. And RNP is on a number of boards he's not just 'your' dishonest person. Do people have to be 'dogmen/women' for you to accept them? Michelle

My cat, Mordred was my first (and only) pet who died since I bought my home. I didn't think I should continue to bury my pets at my parent's house because I'm an 'adult' now, but I couldn't stomach the thought of burying Mordred in my yard and then someday selling the house. What if someone dug him up by mistake and was disrespectful to his remains? I had an individual cremation, and I put a bit of all of my pets hair and a few of his favorite toys with him. His ashes are in my living room right now, but I plan to seal them in a small copper container and bury it under a memorial stone in my garden. That way, when I move he can come with me. He was the world's most annyoing cat, but I miss every day.... Michelle

[quote name='newfiemom']Well, I stand corrected. I did believe him until I have read more evidence to the contrary. However, I will not apologize for believing him and for defending him. I have always been raised to believe someone's word until proven other wise. I did want to believe his innocence just like everyone else.[/quote] You don't have to apologize for anything... it's just good you've seen enough to convince you now! Michelle

I was looking for a few other pics of Snow White (the stolen dog, not the one from your friend's website) but all of them are gone from both here and PitBullForum. Would you mind posting one or two others? Michelle **edit: Never mind. I don't care to see them because I won't believe them anyway. Sorry (no I'm not). People who are truthful don't have story after unbelieveable story to tell with all sorts of fanciful explainations and endless contradictions. You have lied a LOT on numerous boards, MANY people have defended you because they wanted to stand by their friend. You have betrayed their trust and loyalty and made many of them feel and look foolish. What goes around comes around, and eventually you'll get what you deserve. (No, that's not a 'threat' it's called karma.)

RNP - is that Snow White (the dog that was stolen) in your avatar?

So... this new breeding site is yet another 'mistake'? Your friend listed both of your [i]fixed[/i] dogs on his stud page as a 'thank you'? It's an 'oversite'? What a crock.... Michelle

[quote name='newfiemom']Were you aware that puppy millers do this alot? They steal pictures and sell them on these auctions. People buy them and never get the dog pictured in the auction. MMMM...it happens quite a bit. [/quote] Yes, however, when a puppymiller steals a picture all of the contact information belongs to the [i]puppymiller[/i] NOT the person who OWNS THE DOG. Both of these auctions have had Drey and all of RNP's contact information. This does not point to someone [i]else[/i] selling Drey. AS I said earlier, the only person who can prove RNP's innosence is RNP himself, but he chooses not to. No one has asked for much more than that. In fact, I think people WANT him to prove that it is not him doing this to Drey. SRC had a great idea on how to end the whole thing, and I elaborated on it just a bit. I am 100% sure that every single person here would apologize, but silence can be very damning evidence all by itself, and RNP has been silent for a while. Oh, and to the person who thought it was 'odd' that two auctions were found for the same dog, all you need to do is a search for blue UKC put bull auctions. Michelle

[quote name='SexxieRacerChik']My suggestion to RnP....post up some receipts for altering..neuticals, ad such. Have them scanned and post them and shut these people up for good.[/quote] EXCELLENT. How about this: 1. copies of an emails with full headers from the people who run the auction sites, if the auctions are scams the site owners will be very apologetic and certianly be taking the auctions down. 2. receipts from Drey's neuter and for the insertion of neuticals 3. a copy of the co-ownership papers for deja I think that would actually prove him innocent. The ONLY person who can prove RNP innocent is RNP himself. He, however, has remained silent - and that is curious all by itself. Michelle

[quote name='courtnek']I want a more technical proof. Every piece of computer euqipment produced, that can be hooked up to a network ( and the internet is a network) has a MAC (machine address code) address. That address, I believe, is transmitted with the IP. the IP can be stolen and used, but the MAC address is individual to EVERY PC. and that address CANNOT be stolen. It is hardcoded in the chips of the machine. Rotts ISP provider may be able to tell him what MAC address was transmitted during these posts. That would be definitive proof. It either came from his PC, or it didnt.[/quote] Not all sites are written to record the MAC address, unfortunately. The problem here is, RNP has conviently disappeared, his dog is for sale at an online aution again, and this auction has [i]not[/i] been cancelled. Michelle

[quote name='courtnek'][quote]so what???? Selling a large un-fixed pit bull on line to the highest bidder???[/quote] Rott has already told us (if you read the original post) that Drey is fixed.[/quote] Yes, and he posted about how all of his dogs were fixed. Yet in a different post he slipped up and said how hard it was to keep him and Deja apart when she was in heat. Oh, and Deja isn't fixed, but she really isn't his dog, she is a show dog and is co-owned with her breeder and is show quality. Then he back pedaled again and said that it wasn't that Drey could actually get her pregnant, it was just embarassing to have his dogs humping in his yard. Oh, and he got fake balls put in his dog so that he would 'look the part', that's why he has what [i]look[/i] like testicals even though he's fixed. How about this: Drey is not fixed, and he was trying to mate with Deja who also isn't fixed because she is part of the breeding program of a back yard breeder. The short version is just makes SO much more sense! You people wouldn't believe this load of crap if it was a movie plot, why on earth do you believe it here? And one final question... why hasn't RNP said a word in days? Perhaps because all of you are fighting his battle for him and he is safe in his lie? Michelle And again, that 'other board' is PitBullForum.com

[quote name='Hmmmm...']Maybe he is auctioning his dog off (I dont believe he is) but thats his business. Some people may not believe that is the best way to go about it but so what?[/quote] so what???? Selling a large un-fixed pit bull on line to the highest bidder??? You think this is responsible dog ownership? You think this is the proper way to advance the breed? Sold to the highest bidding BYB to fater a few hundred puppies, so that those of us in rescue can try to figure out what to do with them... [quote name='Hmmmm...']If anyone believes RnP is doing this, they dont need to respond to his posts. Its not that hard to scroll down to the next post. We all know your accusations. We dont need you continually bringing this crap up. You want to continue to do it why not do it on the "respected pit bull boards" you are all coming from? (By the way those boards being respected is YOUR opinion.)[/quote] Oh whatEVER. Find ONE person in the bull breed world who does not respect Diane Jessup. She just happens to run PitBullForum.com. RNP was removed from that forum immediately upon finding out that he was selling his dog online. And no, it was not done until AFTER overwhelming evidence was brought up. I have read a lot of information on this board in the past few days. It seems like a great place, but if you think that on line dog auctions are 'responsible ownership' then perhaps this is not a community I should participate in. Michelle

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