imported_Debbie

Michele, you're right.....Justin will do whatever DAK(Deaf Aussie Killer) wants because he knows he's expendable as well........ :evil: (I'm not excusing him) Funny, the things you learn.....she was trying to get rid of not only Cody but Zoey as well.......turns my stomach..... :x Cudo's for everything you've done to bring this to public light and get DAK on the DNA lists :wink: !!! Looks like she's had LOTS of people fooled...... :-? Thank you Lorraine for stepping in and helping and bringing more information to light !!! :angel:

[quote name='Michele'][quote]As I was typing it I was starting to envision my walker and oxygen tank........ [/quote] now now..we are not that old yet.......LOL[/quote] I know, I know.....but as I saw myself typing it, I was thinking "AM I REALLY SAYING THIS" ???? :o [size=2][i]and suddenly started feeling *old*......[/i][/size] :lol: I was thinking, God, I sound just like my MOM !!!!! And of course I never thought I'd be anything like my Mom...... :lol: :lol:

[quote name='Michele'][quote name='Debbie'][quote name='Rowie-the-Pooh']I love going out. :oops: If I stay at home two days in a row, I go crazy *unhealthy too, I know*. But its so boring at home. >_<[/quote] I used to be the same way when I was your age......I think the older you get and you have your own house, you soon get tired of running around and just like to be in the comfort of your own home. Gee.....I'm starting to sound like an old fogey...... :oops: :lol:[/quote] I kind of feel the same as you do Debbie.....[/quote] Thanks Michele, I was starting to feel pretty ancient there...... As I was typing it I was starting to envision my walker and oxygen tank........ :lol: :lol: Glad to see J.M and I aren't alone in feeling that way...... :wink:

[quote name='Rowie-the-Pooh']I love going out. :oops: If I stay at home two days in a row, I go crazy *unhealthy too, I know*. But its so boring at home. >_<[/quote] I used to be the same way when I was your age......I think the older you get and you have your own house, you soon get tired of running around and just like to be in the comfort of your own home. Gee.....I'm starting to sound like an old fogey...... :oops: :lol:

[quote name='JackieMaya']I'm pretty much a hermit myself. If I didn't have to work, I would never leave the house, and would just stay home with my dogs all the time. It's a continuing struggle for me to get myself out of the house to join the living. The longer you stay cut off, the harder it is to climb back up again. I hope Sej finds happiness.[/quote] I'm sorta the same way JM......I'd rather hole up in the house with my grrlz than go out.... :wink:

[quote name='schippsmom']:Dog_run: I must have been watching that same episode. I believe they ended up euthanizing all of them :cry: . As far as that food aggression thing. How similar to a human hand is that plastic thing?? She does over do it with pokin it in their faces. Someone stuck that under my nose, you better believe I'd bite it. It scares me cause Re would Never pass that. He would definately fail the whole adoption process.[/quote] My hubby wouldn't pass that test either......he once poked a guys hand with a fork...(friend was taking his frenchfries.....) :lol:

[quote name='"Seijun"'][quote]Seijun....you keep saying that a wild animal does not *need* to live in the wild, that wild animals can be kept as pets and live happily in captivity.....you say this is a fact. It is not a fact. It is your opinion and people like you's opinion..... [/quote] It is not opinion if it can be proven. I have already proven that wild animals can live happily in captivity. Therefore, it is fact. :D You haven't proven anything of the sort. :-? Just because you have a few pictures doesn't prove anything....... You can't ever get inside the head of a *wild* animal and ask their opinion. I guess we will all have to agree to disagree on this subject. :wink:

:o YIKES !! Well.....look at it this way....at least you didn't pay big bucks for the chairs !!! :lol: And Pooh Bear is Sooooo cute !!!!! :angel: :lol:

I can't even walk out to the mailbox without feeling guilty if I don't take them let alone a trip....... :oops: :lol:

:-? Seijun....you keep saying that a wild animal does not *need* to live in the wild, that wild animals can be kept as pets and live happily in captivity.....you say this is a fact. It is not a fact. It is your opinion and people like you's opinion..... :wink:

Just like Hmmmm said, anybody can sell anything for any price......they just have to wait for a sucker to come along and pay it...... :wink: I'm so glad you decided to go the shelter route and adopted Duke !!! It sounds like he's had kind of a rough time....hopefully he'll bounce back now that he's in a nice loving family !!! :angel: P.S Do your other dogs like him ??? :D

[quote name='Jessashelony']Personally... I think it would be AWESOME to own a big cat... Picture Princess Jasmine and her tiger (name escapes me at the moment) What a pretty picture? [color=red]Laying down to take a nap with my tiger... [/color][color=red]Hugging my tiger when I am sad... Sounds magical and exciting... [/color]But, it's just a day dream, a fantasy. I know that I could never get that kind of relationship from a tiger. I would never actually try to own one.[/quote] :lol: Honey, I'll buy you your very own stuffed Raja at the Disney Store !!! :wink: :lol:

:-? I agree Michele.....Miss Millie bombed out a while ago and hasn't been back...... When and IF there are no more natural habitat for *wild* animals, these animals should go into sanctuaries that are built to closely resemble their natural habitat.(I'm talking acres and acres) NOT to JOE SCHMO in Wyalusing to keep in a cage and show off to friends. Where the animal is going to pace and linger till he dies. Not saying Joe Schmo won't feed him right or give him attention but that's not quality of life for the animal.

[quote name='Mei-Mei'][quote] Should these people be allowed to have them provided they can do so responsibly? Certainly. [/quote] And who is going to judge responsible ownership? We haven't even established who can responsibly own a dog. Are we going to allow people to own tigers and wolves because people 'are capable of it?' Why is it that human beings first response to seeing free creatures is to try to subjugate them? We see a tiger and want to cage it. We see societies that are 'non-civilized' and the first thing we want to do is to clothe them and teach them about Jesus. Why can't we merely appreciate the fact that some creatures do not need to be pets or projects, and do far, far better in the wild? In other words, why can't we appreciate beauty in its natural habitat?[/quote] You said it all Mei-Mei......beautifully !!! :wink:

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[quote name='Seijun']The point Mil is trying to make, cleared up once and for all: I think we all recognise that wild animals still have wild instincts. What she is trying to say is that [i]technically[/i], they are not "wild." A wild animal is an animal living in its natural habitat without the aid of humans. Since a captive tiger isn't in its natural habitat, and it needs humans to survive, then it is not "wild" by the deffinition of "wild animal." Therefore, we could call it exotic. Again, this is not saying that a tiger is domestic. This is all squabaling over deffinitions though. We are getting nowhere with it. Who cares, wild, exotic, whatever you want to call it, WHO CARES, the point is that we, the "wild" animal owner, feel we have just as much right to "own" and enjoy these animals as you have to own domestics. ~Seij[/quote] If that's the case then why are you here argueing on a Dog site ??

[quote name='Seijun']IMO, if an owner wants to get a Big cat and risk getting hurt or killed by it, that's their own choice to make, not ours. [color=red]Should we ban skydiving because it kills people? No, because we understand that it is their choice to participate in a potentially dangerous activity. It is no different with wild animals.[/color] ~Seij[/quote] :-? You're only hurting yourself when you choose to skydive...

:-? I feel like we're beating our heads against a brick wall trying to talk logic with this person...... :wallbash:

[quote name='rotten_two'][quote]My cats are not wild, they were born and raised here in the states. [/quote] oh right the american domesticated tiger! with ya now! so because your cats are born in captivity they are no longer wild? well that might be the stoopidest thing i have heard today -- wait maybe all week! the zoos breed in captivity and the first thing any of those handlers tell you is that they are still wild animals as in not tame! trained maybe but not tame![/quote] :kciuki:

[quote name='IlBLisSlI']being born in the united states does not make you a domesticated animal.[/quote] VERY good point !!!!! :wink:

[quote name='Millie'](sigh) My cats are not wild, they were born and raised here in the states. So they are exotics. If you mean wild as being in a wild state (action), that would mean they are untouchable by humans. [color=red]Mine are touchable, you need the "experience" in handling them. Why? just their size alone, can seriously hurt me. I am a mere 125 lbs, my biggest cat, is just a little over 300 pounds. If he sat on me, he would hurt me. When he head butts me showing me affection, he could knock me silly.[/color] (quote): I agree completely. Animals can fit into both categories. But my argument was against miss Millie saying that her "exotic" pets weren't wild. When clearly the definition of wild says that they are.[/quote][/quote] Which would mean they are wild (uncivilized, and reckless) :wink:

[quote name='IlBLisSlI'][quote name='Debbie'] Yes, I know !! I was trying to help you out !!! :wink:[/quote] ahhh thought you were trying to say that i needed a lesson there for a second :lol:[/quote] I was trying to assist..... maybe make it more ABC for Millie, by spelling it all out directly from the dictionary. :wink:

:-? Nobody said they had to fly on a plane here from somewhere else to be wild Millie....... :roll: Did you read the definitions of *wild* ??? [size=6][b]#2 NOT CIVILIZED #6 RECKLESS[/b][/size] I think both of those definitions fit the bill of *wild* captive animals :wink:

[quote name='IlBLisSlI'][quote name='Debbie']Here Drew, I just looked up Exotic and Wild in my handy dandy "Webster's NEW WORLD Pocket Dictionary" (new and revised) :wink: EXOTIC- 1-foreign 2- strangely beautiful, etc.. WILD - 1- in it's natural state 2- not civilized 3- unruly 4- stormy 5- enthusiastic 6- reckless 7- missing the target -[i]adv.[/i] in a wild way [i]-n. pl. [/i]wilderness So....by looking at those 2 definitions, I would say captive wolves, and big cats, etc... fit [u][b]both [/b][/u]categories, not just one. :wink: [/quote] I agree completely. Animals can fit into both categories. But my argument was against miss Millie saying that her "exotic" pets weren't wild. When clearly the definition of wild says that they are.[/quote] Yes, I know !! I was trying to help you out !!! :wink:

Here Drew, I just looked up Exotic and Wild in my handy dandy "Webster's NEW WORLD Pocket Dictionary" (new and revised) :wink: EXOTIC- 1-foreign 2- strangely beautiful, etc.. WILD - 1- in it's natural state 2- not civilized 3- unruly 4- stormy 5- enthusiastic 6- reckless 7- missing the target -[i]adv.[/i] in a wild way [i]-n. pl. [/i]wilderness So....by looking at those 2 definitions, I would say captive wolves, and big cats, etc... fit [u][b]both [/b][/u]categories, not just one. :wink: What do you say Millie ? And just for the record, I don't think anyone should own a *wild* animal just because..... I believe if they can they should be left in the wild. Now, I do believe there are some professionals that rescue *wild* animals from bad situations and that can't be helped and is actually helping the animal. But I do think they should be sent to Sanctuaries that are set up for them to simulate their wild habitat, not just go to any Joe Schmo in Hoboken because he wants to be cool and own a wolf or tiger. :wink: