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Okay all, I'm sitting at home bawling my eyes out over this. I knew they ate dogs but this is beyond comprehention. [img]http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/310.gif[/img] Only follow this if you think you're ready for it. I wasn't! [url]http://www.mydog8it.com/doghouse/asian_torture.htm[/url]

Yeah was looking through everyones photo albums last week. I love Saint Bernards they are too cute. Willow and Shiloh used to have a good friend named Fritz. He was soooo adorable. :oops: He would break out of his yard to come over and play. :oops: His daddy was cool about it. We lived in a town of 600 people and everyone knew Fritz and looked out for him. So wasn't too big of a deal. He was the biggest lap puppy I've ever met. Long hair, always drooling. Remind you of anyone. :wink: He was almost solid brown, white blaze and a few black stripes.

Me too Mei-Mei. That's exactly how I feel. We take the time to do the research and put our hearts on our sleeves and we end up being a laughing stock because we took it so seriously. Remember Reed? That was my first experience with the elusive trolls.

I hate to be judgmental but how could they? Would they refuse to take you to the doctor after having been hit by a car! What a horrible thing. Our malamute Willow fell out of the truck and had tremendous damage done to the muscles in his hind legs. He was paralyzed for two weeks after the accident. He would get aggressive if any one touched him anywhere near the hind end. Snapping and growling. This was 2 years ago. We have worked through the problems with perserverance and a knowledgable trainer. The damage cannot be corrected to the muscles however and we've had to work on the mental impact. He will lightly grumble if someone touches his back legs but will not snap or bare fangs. We do muzzle him when at the vets for the safety of the vet and Willow. Recently we started having problems with his neck. 2 years later the accident rears its ugly head once again. They feel it's damaged cartilage in his neck. We are going to have x-rays done just make sure there aren't any fractures that were unvisable in the x-rays after the accident. So as you can see the damage can continue to plague you and your animal for years. With Hazels aggresion I can definately see this being a pain reaction. Poor thing. So your next step is to see the vet and continue to search for a behaviour trainer. Speak with your vet about the payment problems. You never know! Maybe the vet will be kind enough to see your dilemna. When I was 15 I rescued an abused sheltie, my parents and I agreed that if I rescued her I would responsible for her care. She had severe problems mentally and physically. She was a fear biter. Once bit my dad on the arm drawing blood. I worked in the neighborhood doing chores for everyone and made enough money to take her to the vet for exams. We found that 2 of her teeth had rotted and had to be removed as it was causing severe amounts of pain. All my life I had collected Breyer Horses, I sold every one of them and my prized english saddle to pay for the surgery. And it was so worth it. Now mind you I went into this knowing full well that I was responsible for every bit of her care and would have to work hard and give up alot to have her. I paid for most of the surgery and the rest I worked off volunteering at the vet clinic. I cleaned runs and the offices. It worked out very well. I loved Buttons so much and I had to take it upon myself to save her from the breeder. She was overbred and had never been out of the tiny kennel. After recovering from the surgery I set out to find a behaviour trainer. I again set out working at anyplace I could find. I found a wonderful woman who in one session gave me a plan to work from. We did revisit her a couple of times. After 6 months Buttons was becoming a real family companion. After her recovery I decided it would be in her benefit to find her a suitable home. I didn't want her to become attached solely to me as I knew that eventually I would leave for college. I found the most wonderful woman who lived alone with her daughters sheltie. Over the period of a month she met Buttons in several settings and situations. I wanted to be sure that Buttons was comfortable with her. Dell and I are friends to this day. Of course Buttons has passed over the rainbow bridge. But she led such a happy life in those final years. It was worth the struggle, pain and hard work. I would do it all again in a heart beat. So the moral is if you really want to save your Hazel you need to get out there and do as much as possible. She is worth saving. Talk to your vet, neighbors whatever you have to do. I'm sure my parents would have assisted me if the need arose but I worked my ass off and saved one animal from being abused or euthanized. You can do it. You just have to set your mind to it.

Sounds hilarious. One question, didn't you just ruin the surprise? :lol: No matter, it will still be funny. He is a cute "little" thing isn't he. If anyone figures out the picture thing please let me know. I can't post any darn pictures on this forum. I'm bummed.

K, the first time I looked at post your "Is It A Furry Pit?" Signature picture was missing. Just an x. No worries, it's back now. It's too wierd, never know when it's going to work. Wishing you the best of luck Mouse & Paddy. You'll have a blast.

K, I think you posted the same time I did. Got it now. Thanks! Welcome Donna! :oops:

Um, the blond is taking over. Still can't find anything.

I'm so upset for you Koolie. At least he knew love, compassion and had a wonderful home for the time he was here. You are in my thoughts and prayers :angel:

I'm lost! Did I miss a post somewhere? :-?

Show! What show? K, I got the dreaded x once again. On your post.

Also e-mail these folks and let them know you're a child and need immediate assistance or the dogs life may be at stake. [email]k9care@thedoghousemail.com[/email] [email]Inault@direct.ca[/email] [email]pcantass@georgian.net[/email] Ask them if they can help or if they know of anyone in your area who can assist. If you feel nervous about doing this PM me and I will write the e-mails for you.

ATTENTION HAZEL READ ASAP: Have been doing the research as fast as possible for you. Okay here goes (will post more as I get them) Follow this link and fill out the form for Behaviour Problems, this woman is located in Canada and willing to assist via e-mail with Aggression Problems. I am still looking for someone in your area. Please don't give up on her yet, she's just confused. [url]http://www.itsmysite.com/cgi-bin/itsmy/go.exe?page=15&domain=1&webdir=K9Care[/url] If it doesn't work for some reason go here: [url]http://www.itsmysite.com/K9Care/[/url] Here are links to various trainers in British Columbia and Prince Edward. At least contact them and tell them of your dilemna (sp?). Maybe we can find someone with an open heart who will assist you for Hazels sake. [url]http://www.canadogs.com/Need_a_Trainer.htm#BC[/url] I'm still looking would help if I knew exactly where you live. Please respond with the info and I'll keep doing the research. I apologize for taking so long in my response, I pray I'm not too late.

In that case, Lance I apologize. I'm a little jumpy lately because I take the time to write heartfelt responses to questions, do the research and genuinely care and get all of this stomped on by someone playing a joke on us. Yes, I am still new to the forum world and I am learning. In answer to your question; [b]Guard Dog Service License: Two (2) years experience within the past ten (10) years as a manager, supervisor, administrator, or dog handler with a contract security company, proprietary security organization or a governmental agency performing guard dog functions. [See G.S. 74C-3(a)(7), 74C-8, 74C-9, 74C-10, 12 NCAC 7D .0300].[/b] As per North Carolina state law you must obtain a license to have any sort of affiliation with guard dogs. Please see link below for terms, conditions and requirements per North Carolina state: [url]http://jobs.esc.state.nc.us/lmi/ar/occuplic/GuardDogSv.htm[/url] Guard dog trainers are NOT in high demand because of the time, energy and money that needs to be put into the animals. You raise the pups from birth and nurture them and teach them. These dogs are not just "guard" dogs, they are pets and still need love and care from whoever purchases them. Keep in mind that you will spend approximately 1-2 years raising and teaching these dogs and then you will be able to place them. There is not a high demand for trained guard dogs as we now have the technology that will surpass that of a canine. If you are really interested in becoming a professional trainer, seek out someone who has been in the business and has a solid reputation. Only then will you get to see what goes into training these wonderful canines. You will also need to learn about the breeding of canines as most guard dog facilities breed their own stock in an effort to decrease genetic defaults and to increase desired traits. I hope this helps and again I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

Did we not just go into this two weeks ago? K, Roo, a little help here. Seems to me someone asked exactly the same question. I will not answer until I know for certain that a troll is not in our midst. Why can't people just register, I mean it takes but a moment and then we at least know that you are for real (well maybe). I ranted to the last guy about an attack dog not going to do it again. Guest if you're serious look through the old posts.

Just found this interesting information: Keeping a Hybrid [b]Minimum Requirements for keeping a wolf or hybrid safely and humanely in captivity: 1. Build an enclosure surrounded by two layers of fencing: an inner chain link fence ten feet high that extends two feet underground, and an outer fence eight feet high with at least four feet between the two fences. The outer fence should be posted with warning signs, and the gate should be locked at all times. 2. Provide at least 1/2 acre for each animal, and fill it with plenty of environmental stimulation: shelters, vegetation, platforms, large water containers, etc. 3. Keep at least two animals per enclosure. Canines-especially wolves and hybrids-are very social animals and need canine companionship. For the greatest assurance of lifetime compatibility, the animals should be of the opposite sex and introduced as young as possible, preferably before they are six months old. 4. Provide meat, hide and bones on a regular basis. Debilitating diarrhea may result from feeding wolves and hybrids only commercial dog food. 5. Obtain the knowledge necessary to handle wolves and hybrids. Learn about special techniques for raising and socializing them. Without an understanding of these techniques, you may end up with an unmanageable animal. Wolf Park, Battle Ground, IN (765-567-2265) regularly conducts seminars on the subject. 6. Make sure at least one other person is trained and familiar with the animals, to provide relief-care in emergencies. 7. Retain a veterinarian experienced with wolves or willing to do the necessary research and consultation to competently treat them. 8. Recognize that since no legally recognized rabies vaccine exists for wolves and hybrids, authorities are acting within their responsibilities if they require an animal that has bitten someone (even in play) to be euthanized. 9. Obtain all necessary state and local permits. These can be expensive and difficult to acquire. They may be impossible to acquire in urban areas. 10. Never allow children or other animals to come into direct contact with the animals, except in controlled, supervised situations, and then only with full understanding of the possible consequences for all involved if an injury occurs. 11. Never allow the animals to run loose. 12. Purchase adequate liability insurance. 13. Be prepared to spend a minimum of one hour per day, every day, interacting directly with the animals. 14. Neuter the animals. 15. Plan to provide all of the above for the lifetime of these animals-as long as 18 years. What you should do if you own a hybrid and can no longer keep it safely anymore: Do not pass your responsibility on to an unsuspecting party. A few organizations (the Internet is a good resource) provide care for unwanted wolves and hybrids, but requests to place these animals greatly outpace available openings. You may try to place your animal in one of these facilities, but first you should visit the facility to determine whether it will provide a reasonable life for the animal. It is difficult for hybrids and wolves to adapt to new surroundings and new people. It is imperative that you are honest about what is best for your animal. Passing your responsibility on to someone else may make you feel better, but often the least cruel fate is to take responsibility and humanely euthanize your animal. [/b] Sad, but so true. I don't really think the average pet owner is going to go to those lengths to provide a wolf-dog a safe, healthy environment. As far as the advice on euthanasia very true. There are too many breeders, millers, BYBs and not enough rescue orginazations for this particular type of animal. So very sad! They are bred without a thought of what their life will become. :cry:

Now there I do agree. A domesticed animal (by breeding or by nature) should NEVER be released to fend for itself. This is why the breeding must stop. There are only so many sanctuaries available. And as you can see in the story below sometimes the sanctuaries can do nothing for an animal that has the instincts and strength of a wolf. See story: [url]http://www.nctimes.net/news/2002/20020413/63902.html[/url] The legal issues involved: [url]http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v5n4/5n4wille.htm#toc7[/url] Did you know that a shelter or rescue won't give a wolfdog a chance, they hold them for the required time and euthanize them. They will not place them in a home. And a wolfdog that has been given the rabies vaccine is not considered vaccinated. It will be put down if it bites. Not to mention these animals are banned from many states. You even breath the word wolf and you'll have animal control all over you. This is one subject that I feel very strongly about. I truly believe a wild animal needs to remain wild and free, not captured and domesticated.

Wolfie, I am not dimwitted, I am perfectly aware that all dogs descended from the mighty wolf. I am just upset that people keeping breeding wolfdogs for pets. Have you been to a refuge? I have and it's just not fair. A wonderful animal now forced to live in a wire run for the rest of it's days. One particular white wolfdog comes to mind from the sanctuary. She was purchased from a wolfdog breeder and taken to her new home in the suburbs. She was showing some human fear tendancies even at a young age. The family ignored it and kept on with their normal happy suburbian lifestyle. This poor animal went through several owners. Finally she was found by an exotic pet sanctuary and she was taken there. She lives there in comfort. But, she is still not happy nor will she ever be happy as she doesn't know where she belongs. Not dog, Not wolf. Lost! She paces her run all day long and howls at night. The sanctuary is a wonderful place where abandoned tigers, bears, lions, wolves and other exotics have ended up. [b]The following report was compiled by the Michigan Wolf Dog Rescue and Animal Sanctuary and information furnished by several different sources, including, but not limited to: Dorothy Prendergast author of two books regarding wolf dogs, editor and publisher of the Wolf Hybrid Times and Executive Director of the Wildlife Education and Research Foundation; Diana Bendit, Director, Wolf Dog Coalition; Michigan Association of Animal Owners; Wolf Hybrid Awareness Through Education; Michigan Wolf Dog Association; Michigan Wolf Dog Rescue and Animal Sanctuary; Wolf Park (North American Wildlife Park Foundation); CDC (Centers for Disease Control) , Atlanta; the United Kennel Club, and the Michigan Association of Purebred Dogs. The following information was compiled in order to provide accurate information concerning wolf dogs. The information provided by the HSUS is incomplete, often misleading and in some cases totally erroneous. The information provided by the HSUS is printed first in plain text (with their question in large type), and the clarification following below in [italic] typeface. 1. What is a wolf hybrid? A wolf Hybrid is any animal resulting from the breeding of wolf with domestic dog. The most common wolf-dog hybrids result from breeding wolves with malamutes, Siberian Huskies or German Shepherds, but many breeds of dogs have been crossed with wolves, including collies, standard poodles, rottweilers and pit bulls. Hybrids can be bred to other hybrids, pure dogs, or pure wolves, to produce offspring whose genetic contribution from wolves will vary greatly. First of all, the correct terminology is wolf dog, not wolf hybrid. By definition, any hybrid is infertile. Since wolves and dogs are genetically identical and are the same species, their offspring are fertile. Second, a wolf dog is any canine which has a recent infusion of wolf blood in its ancestry. Very, very few wolf dogs are the direct progeny of a wolf and a domesticated canine, and very, very few have pure wolf ancestry any more recent than their great grandparents or great- great grandparents. Most wolf dogs are the progeny of wolf dogs bred to other wolf dogs or to dogs, and their pure wolf ancestry is many generations removed. While it is true that some irresponsible breeders have experimented with breeding other less similar breeds of dogs, the dog breeds of choice are Malamutes, Alaskan Huskies, Canadian Huskies and German Shepherds. It is also true that irresponsible breeders exist within EVERY breed. Only through education can careless and negligent breeding be stopped. [/b] Wolf dog, Wolf Hybrid, Wolf Mix. Call it what you will but they are one in the same. It's just terminology.

In my personal opinion this practice should also be stricken. People actually believe that they are getting a family pet and as we all know wolfs are not to be tamed and used for backyard decoration or defense. It upsets me that people don't do the research on them and just think it would be "cool" to have a wolfdog. Like a car. UGH! What brought this on was a chance encounter with a woman who met Willow (my mal) and thought he was a wolfdog. Come on he looks nothing like a wolf. Willow is stocky, shorter muzzle, etc.... I know I shouldn't blame the uneducated people who can't tell one breed from another. Anyways back to the story. The woman was all over Willow and asking me questions. I explained to her that he is infact an Alaskan Malamute. She then went into telling me that she was going to purchase a 50-98% wolf hybrid. I asked her why she wanted to purchase that particular type of animal and she said well I love wolves, I watch all the documentaries and I want to give one a good home. I was fuming and explained the rational of what she had just told me. I asked her why not donate to the wolf rescue organizations. But I was not listened to from that point on and I left. Anyone else dealt with someone like this? Look at the links I found on wolf hybrids: [url]http://www.pets4you.com/wolf.html[/url] [url]http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/5794/[/url] Plus many, many more. Would love other opinions on the topic. Bad or Good.

I just went to the main page and there is a Hamilton Hound. And he is a cutie.

Thanks K, I usually head straight for the forum. I'll check it out though. And Guest, no dog is ugly "Beauty Is In The Eye of the Beholder" Please don't post nasty comments. LOL. That makes me think back to childhood "If you can't say something nice, DON'T say anything at all!" As my dad would say.

What dog? :-?

K..... ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? No clue!

I can't believe people are stupid enough to actually pay that kind of money. Go to the pound and get one that REALLY needs you. Come on people. Our world is going to pot. Why do they have schnauzers anyway? I didn't see Schlabockerpoo. LOL. Disgusting aren't they. I just wish the fire had given her the sign to stop this evil. But darn no such luck

Just had to post this. K & Artful (if they are ever on opposite sides in a topic) [img]http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb154.gif[/img] Too cute!