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I LIKE the way you think, Image1..... :evilbat: :evilbat: :evilbat:

I doubt very much that Princess Ann did any training with the dog. And yes, it should have been looked into after the children incident, but Royalty (and Presidents, and Ministers, and Governments) all have a lot more clout than the average Joe...the only reason it got these kind of headlines is because it was the Queen's dog....and the Queen was PO'd about it. Her dog probably got very little training as well...and she doesnt seem to get along real well with her family and in-laws anyway, if the news is to be believed...which often it isnt.... I dont believe people in power should have more rights than anyone else. If it was you or me, the dog would have been taken away after the incident with the children.

[quote]He is not and he actually seems to be more content to have clearly defined boundaries of what is acceptable and what is not[/quote] He is HF....there is nothing worse for a pack member than to not know his place. They get upset, frightened, and then belligerent. I believe he sees you as Alpha, and he wanted to be Beta. Hubby was there, and was not coming across to Pauly as a strong Beta. He tried to usurp, and to his surprise, both you and hubby turned on him and put him in his place. You'll have to keep it up until he's completely accepted his demotion, but once he does, he'll be a happier and friendlier dog. Your input by standing by Hubby is crucial. Good job HF!!! :D :D :D :D

You and me BOTH!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I have a sgnn in my doorway that says: "The DOGS live here, YOU do not. If the dogs bother you, deal with it. If the dogs slobber on you, push them away and tell them to lie down. If the dogs want to lie in your lap, either accept it, or tell them to go lie down. they understand "Lie Down"... If you think I will lock the dogs up because you are visiting, think again. THEY LIVE HERE. YOU DO NOT!! AND IF YOU DONT LIKE DOGS, DONT VISIT.

I walked Freebee and Laurel (half Lab/Pointer) and Laurel (purebred foxhouond... Someone on the sidewalk actually YELLED at me because he thought Laurel was "part Pit".... went off on how dangerous she was, how she should be shot, how could I ever trust her? so I said, and emailed it to the various different reporters and newspapers that call Pits vicious... "LAUREL is a PUREBRED Foxhound. She has no Pit in her, and the only real resemblance is a slight coloring sameness. Her colors are sometimes seen in Pit MIXES, but she is a HOUND!... She would not go near him, she is timid, as most you know...he used that as a reason for her being part Pit... "See? she doesnt like people..." NOT ALL DOGS DO!! My Lab wouldnt go near him either, she growled..I think he was Christmas drunk... He apparently was able to ignore Freebee growling (she looks like a Lab) and centered on Laurel, because she was growling in fear. Tail tucked, she was completely quiet until he started yelling...then she backed behind me and growled in fear....and he said she was a 'VICIOUS PIT MIX...." I basically told him he would not know a Pit from a chihauhau... and that SHE had no Pit in her at all. and maybe he better not run off at the mouth since he doesn't know what he is talking about.. and he, in his drunken stupid state, says 'I WILL TELL EVERYONE YOU HAVE A PIT MIX AND SHE'S DANGEROUS!!!!" \ and I said, 'go ahead, and when it is proven she is NOT...I will take you to to court on HARRASSMENT charges..and DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER!" he stumbled down the sidewalk, muttering...and I calld the police. In THIS state, he is a danger to himself and others... :drinking:

While I agree with Edgar and KP that Pauly needs his pecking position in place, I would not, at this time, use scruffing. He has already shown that he will bite when his neck is approached (the leash incident) so to be safe, I would suggest a short 2-ft lead. If you need to snap it to get his attention, at least your hands not in the way. Leave it on him as long as you are with him, but take it off at night before sleep so he doesnt entangle himself in it. This actually makes demotion much easier in the long wrong, and safer for you. I am not a fan of scruffing, and you should never lift the dog off the floor, but a short, sharp snap of the line will remind him who's boss without hurting him. Wolves dont scruff an adult or almost adult pup because it could cause injury to a pack member. Instead, there would be a showdown of teeth posturing, snarling and lunging. If the other wolf didnt back down, it would become a fight, but usually, the almost-adult will give up to the pack lead. If the almost adult DIDNT give up, he would definitely be bitten, although not usually enough to cause any real damage, by the pack lead. And yes, the lead WILL kill a pack member who wont back down, if he has to. Obviously that particular method isnt going to work for you, you cant get down on hands and kness and teeth challenge Pauly, but with the lead in place you can correct him sternly without danger to yourselves, and that includes isolation from you if he doesnt give it up. Hopefully you've caught it soon enough and none of this will be necessary (the sterner forms of demotion, like isolation). The lead and some strong firm stances from you and hubby should be enough to take him down and show him his place.

I agree with everything Judy said. My dog, although an adult, is afraid of my son and his friends. Sometimes the loudness of kids, and the arm flailing, and high pitched voices just scares them. Her suggestions were excellent, and if the neighbor kid can help that will work wonders. good luck!! :D

I agree. and I agree a copy should be given to every potential dog owner...

It's the little things that get past us, every time. Unless you are looking for them, most people think "Gee, he's crabby today" and ignore it. and then it escalates. Until it becomes a big issue, and people notice it. Believe me, this is how most of these issues. start. Have a very Merry Christmas. and good luck to you. :D

Cassie, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! This was meant to be. I can foretell that the owners will not come forward, and you will get to keep him... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you're an :angel: the world needs more people like you.

[quote]One other thing? Hubby just mentioned to me that he NEVER has a problem with Pauly when they are alone (minus me).[/quote] It sounds to me like he is jealous of your husband. He may be thinking he should be the one you love the best (which is a dominance issue) or he may be afraid for some reason that your husband is a threat to you and so when you're there, he will not tolerate any quick movements from hubby. especially since you guys play-tussle. does he sleep on the bed when hubby isnt there? with you? he maqy be trying to take over hubby's alpha position, or he may think YOU are alpha and he is next in line. In any case, you need to show him a strong front, from both of you. If he shows any aggression towards hubby, YOU step in and order him to lay down and shut up. since he responds better to you, you may need to take the upper hand until things calm down. Fear-biting dogs dont generally raise hackles, although they will snarl or growl. they will usually tuck tail and then growl to warn the other dog off. I see Laurel do this all the time. The raising of hackles is a threat, without a doubt. Most dogs do it when feeling secure in their position, and then threatened by something. OR to protect the alpha, which is where I'm going with this. you need to step in and correct his misbehavior. hope that helps and good luck.

As usual, DP, I agree with you - that's my whole point. We cant prove it. And from my many years and experiences, I know that people say they do things that they dont, brag about things that never happened, etc. Since we dont know for a fact that this person really does match their dogs, and may just be full of hot air, the only other recourse would be to ban them, and I dont have that authority. I would prefer to try to talk them out of it, for humane reasons, and while I know I probably wont win the argument, at least my views are known and I wont back down from them. Other than that, all I could do is not respond, and I dont feel that's right. These people need to HEAR that what they are doing (IF they are doing it) is just wrong. And yes, if I knew who the person was, and knew where they were, I would turn them in in a heartbeat. But I dont, and cant. So if the admin's decide to let them stay, so be it. I will still fight their views every inch of the way, and I dont feel I am conding their activities by doing it. Does that make sense?

Karen, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK is she sleeps on your bed...not ever. The bed is the Alpha spot. like the top of the stairs. They feel they are in control when they get to sleep there. To break dominance, you need to demote them. NO beds, NO couches, NO top of the stairs.. I know this is hard, but its best for both you and the dog. You can let her back up once she has been demoted. In the future, if she acts up, you may have to demote her again. Get an extra blanket if you need warmth, but DONT allow your dog to supply it. This is the Alpha position. YOU DONT WANT THE DOG TO HAVE IT. Trust me. I have broken MANY a dominant dog this way...

My dogs attempt to knock me over al time..it's a race for the stairs.. they want to go OUT. I make them stay, but only because I understand the way dogs think..

good job RNP, you DID, and SAID, what needed to be done and said. There are WAY TOO MANY morons in the world... :angel:

this may be too late to help, but like was offered, you have a dominace problem. Your dog thinks he can do whatever he wants. Until you can get him in proper training, here are the basics. 1. NO sleeping on the beds or couches. 2. NO entering thru doorways before you. NO EXCEPTIONS. 3. NO eating before you do. If necessary, sit down where he can see you and eat a few crackers..YOU EAT FIRST, ALWAYS. 4. NO allowing him to lay at the top of the stairs and look down on you, that's the Alpha position. If you CONSISTENTLY follow those four steps, you will see a definite change in his behavior, over time. He will balk at first, HOLD FIRM!!

chill, Hazel..call animal control. dont get yourself all worked up or upset, it wont help. Maybe a few fines will stop them? :D

I'll post it wherever you like - where is the "other place"? :D

Feel free to cross post or send on if you like, it's not great, but it suddenly seemed necessary to write it. Christmas is coming, it's that time of year, where everyone offers each other good cheer. Where presents are opened from under the tree, Children are smiling, and people are happy... But not far away, in 'most every space, are pets gotten rid of, unwanted, displaced. Their sad little faces stare out from a crate, They dont understand why their owners are late. They dont understand why they're in here at all, they patiently wait for their people to call. The call doesnt come, as the lights are shut down, They dont understand, they just want to go home. So this year for Christmas my wishes will be that each of these creatures will get to be free. To go home with someone who'll love them at last, and give them a chance to forget their sad past. And me, as I write this, I look at my two... the scared silly Foxhound, my Lab/Pointer too. And I think of how lonely my own life would be, If for some reason they were gone from me. I give them both hugs and then call the old cat... who of course doesnt answer, gee, imagine that! I tell them I love them, and I always will. I'll feed them, and keep them, from winters cold chill. and I promise them that they will never perceive the inside of a shelter on MY Christmas Eve!! Katy Happy Holidays to all...

how very sad!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Is there a horse feed store anywhere near you? I believe there is stuff you can buy for broken hooves that you can use on your dogs nail.

Thank you all, Mei Mei especially. My doors are already key deadbolted. both front and back, and the storms on the windeows are down and locked as are the windows. It's winter here, so no big deal. I already have pepper spray, have carried it for years, and the gun, of course, whihc I dont want to use. I have only a cell, I shut off the house phone a few weeks ago and the cell is kept with me at all times. so far, since the threat, he has not called or emailed. I sent him an email warning him that if he ever threatened me again, for any reason, I would have him arrested. And while I have no proof of what he said, since it was on the cell, I have alerted the police and gottent he restraining order. The neighbors are home all day, and have agreed to keep an eye out for him, and my son's friends are all watching the house. Now he was drunk when he called, so it may all amount to nothing, just him mouthing off, but I posted it just in case. The police told me to let everyone I know know about the threat, and to have them file it somewhere. So I did. Please dont worry, I will keep in touch. If I have to go away, I'll let you know, so you wont worry. Thanks for all the support. I'm beginning to relax a little, since he hasnt contacted me since then, but better safe than sorry. Y'know, he always pulls crap like this right around Christmas...seems like he deliberately tries to start a fight about something.

LOL@HF!! while I would LOVE to use those tactics, I would end up in jail... I am watching my butt, and Kyles, and I AM armed. I am the the Annie Oakley of the 2000's...and he KNOWS it... he knows he cant outshoot me... I am just hoping it wont come to that... :drinking: thanks EVERYONE!!

Thank you all...the police have been alerted, there is a restraining order pending against him, but I know tha law. They cant do anything if they dont catch him in the act....and there is nowhere I can go. I have no family here, and I cant move to Colorado to live with my sister (not that I would anyway) because then I would lose my job...that's why I posted this here. If something bad happens, you all know that I said this. I dont know that it will, but I dont trust him either. And yes, I am armed. and have two dogs. I dont want to have to use any of that "protection" but who knows... he;s just nuts... So dont worry, just be aware please. It may all amount to nothing... :fadein: :fadein:

This is not dog related, and I am only posting it here so everyone sees it. Please feel free to move it elsewhere. My ex-husband is threatening me. We have a form of joint custody of our son..he wants Kyle to live with him, Kyle doesnt want to. He is almost 17 years old, and can make his own decisions by law, so his father has threatened to "come after me" if I dont comply. And I wont. His father is mentally, physically and emotionally abusive...has told Kyle for his whole life he will "amount to nothing", "die before his time" and "be a disgrace to everyone..." because he didnt always agree with what his dad WANTED him to do.... he has abused me in all the above ways as well. that's why he is no longer here. I am just telling you this in case something happens to me. I am Katy Courtney, Elgin, IL He is Kevin Courtney, Elk River, MN. Our son is Kyle Courtney, currently lives here, but may run for it at any time... Please just file this somewhere. If you hear about it in the news, please send it to the paper that runs the story. Thanks Katy