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I dont blame you for being a bit paranoid Court, I think we all are... I meant once someone breaks your trust, theres no limit to whats a lie and what isnt. I do agree the first pic looked a bit off but I think its just something to do with the coloring or something that makes everything look cropped. :wink:

Aw, theyere so cute...a nd yeah they do look kinda anime style-ish :D :wink:

BK, you are soo right! One smurfed up little girl is right on! :lol: [quote name='AussieMom']I just wanted to let you know that the last *I* heard, when Justin "got out" they were moving to Colorado. Already have a house picked out that they---I mean that she--- wants and that supposedly Justin has a job all lined up. WTF?? He's still got several months left before he is discharged, doesn't he? And I guess another of her lies fell through--now they're moving in with her folks (again)? Too bad there's not a national DNA registery in place, it sure would save rescues a lot of heartache if they could just access a national listing service to check up on someone.[/quote] She did say that on here somewhere.... but afterwards I thought it had changed to Texas? No wait... Texas was if she left Justin. Ugh, so much drama! :roll:

Yeah, a lot of people defended her. :o It made me sick when I went back and read through threads how many people were wrong about her. Of course, I know its not your fault, you guys :wink: I completely blame DAK. Anyway, so does anyone know if Naomi is still moving? Or now that her and Justin are trying to have a baby ASAP ( :roll: ) are they staying in WA? I need to know so if they are going to Arizona, Texas, Colorado, Germany, whatever!!! ...I can contact rescues around those areas. I sent an email to Oasis. As soon as I get a reply Ill be sure to post it. [quote]To whom it may concern, Hi, I'm Angela Isek and recently some rather sad news has come to my attention. Cody, a dog you adopted out to a Naomi & Justin Brownlow, was euthanized. Cody was a lethal white Aussie you adopted out at 11 weeks, I believe. He was also deaf (and may have had some vision problems also). The reason (severe aggression and attacking a child) he was put to sleep was justified, if its the truth, but I thought you should know what happened to him and I wanted to warn you about Naomi. Its a long story but in short, this woman has proven to be irresponsible with animals, tossing them about like toys. She is very unstable and needs to be put on your DNA (Do Not Adopt) List ASAP. If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to email me! The following link is to a dog forum where Naomi posted as 'DeafAussieLover' but you may hear her referred to as DAL or Nay. [url]http://www.dogomania.com[/url] Here is a link to a brief summary of what Naomi Brownlow has been up to... [url]http://forum.dogomania.com/viewtopic.php?p=296051#296051[/url] By the way, I am __crazy_canine__ on Dogo. Angela Isek Anna, TX[/quote]

Thats great! :D So glad to know hes fitting in this well.... but you better get moving with those pics missy! :lol:

Alrighty then. :wink:

So has anyone contacted Oasis? If not, I will.

Yeah Straydog gets day-long adoption returns too. :roll: Somtimes its a bit longer, 2 weeks, but still.... people are idiots. Give it time and be patient, ya dumbasses. :evil:

OMG Behle! :o :cry: :evil: Your poor niece!

I saw pictures of a pit bull who had the same thing done to it. Its completely sickening. I dont know how anyone can have the heart (or rather lack the heart) to do something so terrible. :evil: :cry:

Cody has been having aggression issues, I dont doubt that. Some people have said he has indeed attacked a child. We dont know if he has for sure attacked Naomi.... supposedly she got 15 stitches but Alena saw her the day Cody got PTS, and she didnt see anything. So, it doesnt mean she didnt get attacked but its unlikely. :-? Before that, she was talking about leaving her husband because of his drinking problem. She was going to move in with her family in Arizona before she was going to move Texas. She didnt want to take Zoey with because supposedly no apartments allowed rotties where she looked and Zoey is Justins dog.... not to mention, Zoey "resented" her after she got another dog, Boonie (who Ill talk about next), and was misbehaving and Naomi couldnt take it anymore. :roll: Boonie, a pom, was from a rescue who she and BaileysMom suspected of being a puppy mill.... yeah, it makes no sense to me either but oh well. :-? He was older and has heartworms. She took him to the vet and treated him but it was so bad he had to be PTS. I have my doubts about it but if thats the case then she did nothing wrong. Before she was going to get Boonie she talked about getting a teacup chihuahua. :roll: The product of a BYB. She was being dumb and said something like, "If I want a certain breed, Im going to get that certain breed," when people tried to tell her it wasnt a good idea. Then she flipped out saying we should know her better than that and she wouldnt buy from a BYB. :roll: Anyway, then she got another pom from rescue (whether its the same one as before I ahve no idea) named Stryker. Well, things were fine with that until she decided he liked little kids too much and was "sad" at her home. She let baileysMom take Stryker and then she was off to get another toy, *cough* I mean, animal, to replace this one. :x thats when Tank came along. Supposedly she was volunteering with a rescue and fell in love with this scared little 8-week-old kitten. She took him home and still has him. Then she got Moose another pom. Thats when everyone kinda got fed up with her behaviour and she left Dogo. She went over to Ripleys Retreat and was calling us names, making fun of us and saying how mean we are. :lol: Recently K found another thread from her in Ripleys Retreat and thats how we found out Cody had passed. :cry:

Yeah Crested, youve def. missed A LOT! :o

Thank you for spreading the word. We are all really sad about Cody and we donty want Naomi to do this ever again! :cry:

[quote name='Debbie']I think the older you get and you have your own house, you soon get tired of running around and just like to be in the comfort of your own home.[/quote] Gee, if tats true, then by the time Im 25, I wont be leaving the hosue AT ALL! :o :lol:

Hey, people like us like being by ourselves. Id be perfectly happy living in a cave the rest of my life. :lol: ...that is, as long as I have my animals with me. :wink: Of course, Id probably put myself in danger like Seij so I wont live very long in that cave. :lol: No but really, first, Ill try to make something of my life. :P I want to live around dogs and if that doesnt work out then, CAVE HERE I COME!!! :lol: Treating depression isnt easy you guys. :-? It sounds like Seij has social anxiety like me, so, yes, cutting herself off from the world will help. Its not solving anything though... but medication is no fun. :x Being dependent on it sucks and if you miss a day or two, you will kill yourself because your depression gets so bad. Plus the side-effects arent any fun. Counseling helps a bit but its really hard to find the right person. If she feels like she needs to be alone, then so be it. Its helped me. Although I have to say if it werent for volunteering, Id feel lost... more lost that is. Good luck, Seijun! :)

Ha ha, I know you all find what she said odd, but I think Ive found a new best friend! :evilbat: :lol: :drinking:

The first thing that popped into my head was Canaan dog, but theyre rare so its doubtful. Besides lots of mixes look like them. :wink: [img]http://www.dog.co.il/Bazak2.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.canaandogrescue.com/cdrn/lucy.jpg[/img] I agree with BC... but, yup, those ears are just so big. :P

Ok Ive read plenty of posts about this on other sites about it affecting rescues but the AKC and HSUS claim it doesnt. How great of a bill can this be if PETA supports it? :roll: Anyway heres examples of it AFFECTING rescues: [quote]CROSSPOSTED: A lot of confusing stuff has been written about PAWS 2005/S1139 H 2669. This is an easy- to-read explanation. 'PAWS' is the Pet Animal Welfare Statute of 2005, a bill in the U.S. Senate (S. 1139) and House of Representatives (H.R. 2669). The bill is sponsored by Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) who bill in the U.S. Senate (S. 1139) and House of Representatives (H.R. 2669). The bill is sponsored by Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) who previously sponsored the two 'Puppy Protection Acts.' PAWS is being backed by HSUS (the Humane Society of the U.S.) and DDAL (the Doris Day Animal League), who also backed the two PPA's. Surprisingly it is also strongly backed by the American Kennel Club. More recently PETA has announced that it supports PAWS. Under the current federal Animal Welfare Act (AWA) anyone who has over three breeding female dogs *and* sells any dogs at wholesale, is considered a dealer and must get a license from the USDA. Breeders who sell *only* retail (that is, direct to the pet home) are *not* dealers and are not required to be licensed. This 'retail exemption' is why hobby breeders are not covered now. If PAWS passes, you will be a dealer unless you sell 25 or fewer dogs *and* cats together *or* you sell six or fewer litters of dogs and cats bred or raised on your own premises and no dogs or cats not so bred/raised. If you sell a 'puppy back' (stud fee puppy, etc) or you take in and sell a rescue cat or dog, you must stay under the 25 total dogs/cats limit or get a license. To get a license you must pass an inspection. There are 90 pages of regulations. These regulations are written for farm-type raising of dogs. All surfaces touched by animals must be waterproof, you must sterilize surfaces every two weeks (one allowed way is by spraying with water at 180 degrees temp.); you must have a food preparation space separate from your (human) kitchen; animal pens or cages must be considerably larger than the standard sizes of crates used for dogs; puppies, as well as bitches that will whelp within two weeks, must be kept separate from other dogs; and much more. It is generally impractical to comply with the regulations in your home. You might be able to do it with a walk-in basement set-up, but most will have to build a kennel. Expect costs in the $100,000 ballpark. You may need a zoning variance (you may not be able to get one) and in some areas, being a USDA licensed dealer will automatically make you a business required to collect sales tax and obey other laws for businesses. Being USDA licensed is harder than 'you get it right and then keep it that way.' The regulations change and each inspector has his own ideas about what's important and what compliance means. You WILL have violations, regardless of how hard you try. The AKC tells us that the USDA will have to write new regulations allowing in-home breeding. It won't happen because the large wholesale breeders who are already licensed don't want any new competition getting a low-cost set of rules. Those big dealers have a lot more clout than we do. The AKC seems to be supporting PAWS for two reasons: First, they believe that by making many small breeders subject to licensing, they'll get more who can meet AKC requirements for registering their dogs, so they'll get more registrations. Second, PAWS would double or triple the number of dealers to be inspected and there's no chance that the USDA will get a big budget increase. The AKC hopes it will be allowed to do inspections for them. Of course it would charge a fee for doing so. However if the AKC is allowed to do inspections, very likely HSUS would be too. The numbers allowed without licensing -- 25 animals or six litters sold (whichever is more) are much more restrictive for cats because of their different reproductive patterns. Some experts believe that PAWS will end the breeding of purebred cats by fanciers. Many dog and cat rescue groups take in and adopt out hundreds of animals per year. These animals are kept in ordinary (foster) homes during rehabilitation. In law, 'adopting' for any compensation is selling. PAWS will force rescuers to choose between building a shelter and limiting themselves to selling a total of 25 per year. Nonprofit status does not matter and there is no way to write an exception for rescue. What will actually happen is that incorporated rescues will dissolve, leaving the various foster homes and rescuers to do the best they can on their own. Unfortunately many shelters will allow only incorporated groups to take animals. Most home dog breeders will not be affected at first. However, PAWS will make many breeders afraid to fight new bad laws. More of the state and local breeder licensing laws that are proposed now will pass. Many of these have one or two litter and 6 to 12 animal limits without licensing; some require everyone selling a dog or cat to be licensed. HSUS has said that they consider PAWS a first step. They've also said that they believe all breeding of pets should be federally licensed. If PAWS passes, steps two, three, (and so on) will be even worse. PAWS is said to be needed because of large and growing importing of dogs and cats; this seems to be a complete untruth. It is also claimed that growing use of the internet allows direct retail selling without people being able to see how pets are bred and raised. This is true but nobody is required to buy this way and the net allows asking many questions and comparing sellers' answers. The *AKC* allows puppy advertising on its web site; if they think it's bad, why are they doing it? There is almost no commercial selling of purebred cats. The real purpose of the bill is to make it harder to breed cats and dogs at home. WE MUST BEAT PAWS. The bill is currently waiting for hearings in the agriculture committees of Congress. Sen. Santorum plans to hold a Senate agriculture subcommittee hearing after the August recess. PAWS could pass in September or October. The most important thing to do to beat PAWS is to call, write, or visit your Senators and your Representative. Tell them you OPPOSE S. 1139 (the Senate bill) or H.R. 2269 (the identical House bill). Ask friends, family, and animal businesses to do the same thing. PAWS will be bad for dogs, bad for cats, bad for pet rescuers, bad for pet owners (who will have fewer choices), and bad for our country. An easy way to write your Congressmen is to go to: [url]www.congress.org[/url] Click 'ignore this ad' near the center of the screen and type in your zip code where they ask for it. They'll show you your three congressmen; click 'e-mail', 'compose your own letter' and follow the directions to enter your message. Please Help! Walt Hutchens Timbreblue Whippets THIS MAY BE FORWARDED, COPIED, OR ADAPTED AS NECESSARY! [/quote] [url]http://www.tica.org/legislative/pawsinfo.pdf[/url] and heres sites saying it doesnt: From the Doris Day Animal League site; scroll down to "Pet Animal Welfare Statute" [url]http://www.ddal.org/legislation/federal/[/url] From the HSUS site; scroll down to "Cracking Down on Puppy Mills"http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/ From Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum's website: [url]http://santorum.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.View&ContentRecord_id=1247[/url] The legislation itself in both its senate and house forms, along with sponsors of the bill: [url]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquerytr/z?d109:S01139:[/url] [url]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR02669:@@@L&summ2=m[/url] So do you all think breeders just made up it affecting rescues just to get people opposed to it or can we trust the AKC, HSUS, and PETA? :-?

[quote name='Lucky Chaos'] I just don't see where you can put a line between wild and domesticated, since all animals WERE wild at some point, dogs thousands of years ago, while some like rats have only been domesticated 200 years or so. SOme are still being domesticated, like birds.[/quote] I agree. :D

[quote name='Jessashelony']Is there any such thing as a true domestic tiger? A tiger that can be fully trusted in all situations...?[/quote] According to this, even dogs arent domestic then, Jess. Not all dogs can be trusted in all situations.

Seijun, I agree with you aprtly, and Im amazed you debated as long as you did. :wink: Part of me agrees with you but part of me agrees with whats Shara said. [quote]Wolves are so gorgous, and precious and special to me BECAUSE of their wildness. And I respect that a great deal, which is why I don't go and try to have a captive one, that's why I have a dog and am into dogs. I can do everything with a dog that I'd love to do with a wolf, and still respect wolves and leave them in the wild where they should be. Wolves are so unique and awesome BECAUSE they are FREE.[/quote] I dont think wolves or hybrids should be banned! I dont think breeding them should be banned... I dont agree with it, but I dont want it banned. I dont think people who rescue wolves or hybrids should have to give up their pets. I do think wild animals can make good pets. If they are raised that way and are in responsible hands.

I cant believe they passed that! (well, yeah I can but Im pissed about it!) :evil: :cry: :evil: :cry:

What are you talking about JM? Of course you can have 4 dogs and a horse! Its perfectly fine! No big deal... :wink: :lol:

Oh you know you want them! :wink: :lol:

Aw Im so happy for you and Pooh Bear! I cant believe youve had him that long already! Congrats! :D ..but I think you need to add this boy to your family. :wink: :lol: [img]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/StraydogInc/jimmy.gif[/img] Jimmy or maybe Tucker? [img]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/StraydogInc/Tucker.gif[/img] Well, actually jimmy doesnt like other dogs lol, but Tucker gets along with EVRYONE and EVRYTHING!!! You NEED him JM. *swings watch* You WILL come out to Texas and you WILL adopt Tucker! :evilbat: When I snap my fingers you will awake *snap* :lol: :drinking: