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Kiwi, I see that there are more important things and Im glad that your helping out. I also understand things can happen to disrupt a line but I still think once every two years is enough. Im not overlooking that, I just think its stupid to be breeding a dog to be a pet when you can just as easily get a pet from a rescue or shelter. Now, it makes sense that you cant always get the working wuality your looking for in a shelter but there is pet quality there. Futa, you are an idiot! :roll: Also, you all say that responsible breeders arent the problem with overpopulation but if people didnt have breeders to go to, they would be getting them from shelters. Now, I agree that there are responsible breeders, but they are very rare. I still dont see the need for breeds. :roll: Ultimately, I know that BYBs and puppymills are the problem and if there werent any of these people, then responsible breeding would be fine to me... BUT they are a problem and thats not going to change any time soon so I think anyone breeding right now is adding to the problem whether theyd like to admit it or not.

Just want to make it clear we're not sure the dog is used for fighting, but being in West Dallas its highly likely. It didnt look like he had scars or wounds though. The police dont care about the drug use in that area. They see it as a lost cause because its so bad! You guys are probably right that my mom wouldnt go for it... but it would just be a short-term thing. She wouldnt have to pay for anything, and Ive been responsible about everything else. :( Youre probably right about him just getting another dog too. :roll:

BM Id do anything to save that dog so I dont care what would happen to me, not to mention where I live is far from Dallas anyway. Abker, I could just put him in the garage or chain him to the side of the house when I take Kat out. The owner is never around. Hes out selling drugs and other crap. :roll: Mary just saved one of the chained dogs so she cant take him. :( We wouldnt place him with just anyone... it would have to be someone whos experienced with pits and dog aggression or a sanctuary or something where he could stay. Ab is right, I dont want AC involved.

OMG I wouldve been so scared :o and mad too :evil: Thats weird though... you have any enemies court? :-?

Another volunteer, Mary (who fostered Maggie Mae the pit bull puppy), feeds the chained dogs in West Dallas, a lot of which are pit bulls. She always talks about the different dogs there. She told me about Gangsta, a pit bull, who was used for fighting most likely. She says hes a big sweetie and she wants to steal him really badly but he has no where to go. Do you think I should try to convince my mom to let her keep him in our backyard for a while? Sure hed be chained just like before but at least hed get more care here.

Carol, I didn't say the perfect dog, I just said the best dogs. They have to look and perform great, and have an amazing temperament. Youre right thats just the beginning of deciding (because you have to match them up right, I know) but I think this should be the basis. Really Kiwi? Your dogs may have been bred for conformationa nd companionship but what about what it was origionally bred for? Isnt that important? BTs were bred for their tenacity and courage, why not involve them in activities that prove this in your dogs? How is a litter every two years ruining a breed??? I think thats plenty of time to keep a dogs genes in a line. :-? Hmmmm, I find APBTs an exception. Well, at least for breeders like you. You breed for function not looks and I respect that, but dont take that wrong, I dont respect fighting dogs. PUP, I wouldnt wish [i]that[/i], only that humans dont have as much control over playing God in a way. I didn't mean that we shouldn't look after their health, like over in those places, I was only talking about the relationship :wink: Sorry bout that. Okay I keep seeing people saying they would go to breeders for a working dog and thats it. So is it safe to say the only people who should be breeding, should be people who have working lines and keep those traits strong? Otherwise for a companion you should go to a rescue or shelter? I can agree with that. EDIT: the only exception being pet quality pups coming from a litter. I forgot about that! BTW I think its great that breeders are involved in rescue :)

See, right now, I think the only breeders there should be are people who have the best dogs. Meaning... you see them and think amazing, you witness them perform and think amazing, you interact with them and think amazing! BTW, Kiwi, how is it you dont have the time to work your dogs but you have time to get on Dogo? :-? Right now, with the overpop. problem, responsible breeders should only be breeding every 2 years, not 2 litters a year. I guess its fine with me to keep breeds going but purebreds have so many problems from inbreeding, its sickening. Id honestly rather have a pup from a feral pack of dogs than a breeder. Dogs without mans involvement are much better off. (except us providing them love and care) In my perfect world dogs would live like they do in many of the undeveloped countries. They are our companions but still are wild dogs, ya know? We have a mutual relationship and both help each other in life. We dont interfere with their breeding and we dont create problems with their temperament like people do now by spoiling their dogs.

Exactly, the best of the best. No one seems to go by that rule. They think "Oh my dog will be great in the ring in the future so lets just breed her anyway!" or "Well, my dogs a champion, even though she only won to some bad examples of the breed!" (not that they would say that lol but its the truth)

Rescue :D

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That [i]is[/i] a BT isnt it? Its hard to tell through all those quills! :o Poor thing... how did she even manage to get THAT many on her??? I mean on one side is understandable but to have themm ALL over like that it looks like she was rolling around on a dead one. :o Thats a bullly for you :lol: :roll:

I understand that, but I still dont think Boxers need to have bobtails just because of that risk. Many other dogs have that risk too. I guess my issue is just with [b]breeding[/b] in general so oh well...

Yeah those cheeks do make me think pit... and sheesh! That first dog weighs as much as Kat, but at least Kat is a lab mix! :o

Yeah for Kat ...and Kes too. :D

Edit: Okay must read new post then :wink:

[quote name='StarGaze']Some breeds are simply companions. Considering the majority have animals for pets, I'd hate to see them done away with. I think they play an important role, same as a working Border Collie for example. Also, as long as we share our lives with dogs, we do need different breeds because of our different reasons for having them. [/quote] Yeah there are some breeds just for companions, but I dont agree with breeding for that reason. If you want a companion go to a shelter. I respect some breeding but only if its needed for a good reason. Like I said for things like service dogs. BUT right now, they dont need to be breeding very much because I know there are plenty of shelter dogs with the correct temperament for doing such work. It way be a hard find but there are groups doing it. I, too, would hate to see a lot of breeds "done away with" but I think its for the best honestly. Then more people would be adopting. So many lives are being ended and I think its unnecessary. And BTW, youre right not all breeds would be able to earn a CGC award. I wasnt thinking of that. Thanks :wink: Well, glad you two (mostly) agree. :D

with breeders and their excuses. Just a warning this is a long rant and full of my OPINIONS. When I came here I started opening up to the idea of responsible breeding but the more I think about it the more Im changing my idea of responsible. Im so sick of people breeding for looks. Since when is this more important than function anyway? Conformation doesnt test temperment like it should. Temperment above anything else is the most important thing in deciding to breed. Next comes health, which includes age, IMO. Females shouldnt be bred before two years! Why cant people wait that long? :roll: Health tests should be administered to dogs NO MATTER WHAT! I dont care what you say about the dogs lines being great and free from disease, test anyway! Isnt your dog, and its future pups, worth it? IMO, dogs who are bred should have titles. And I most definitely dont mean in the show ring. Im talking working titles and should even be a CGC. If you still want to show thats fine, but I dont think its anywhere near as important as the other things. I understand breeders want to preserve breeds but I think its irresponsible to be breeding when the world is having such an issue with overpopulation. Besides we dont need breeds, unless they are going to be used and bred specifically for a purpose. Such as a service dog, military/police work, etc. Just for being a pet is not a good reason IMO. Ive become more and more angry at the idea of breeding in the last few months. Whats so wrong with getting a dog from rescue? I know people want predictable temperament and looks and all that but they can get to know dog before they adopt it to see if its the right one. :roll: Does anyone else feel this way? Now I know some of you are just going to say Im being ignorant but oh well...

Ummm, okay, Im sorry to bring this up again, but how the h*ll is it helping the breed to get rid of its tail? I know you keep saying its for health reasons but like was said before, then why not do this for every breed then? You rarely see labs and pits that have thick, wagging 24/7 tails being docked or bobtailed!

wELL FOR THE SITE i WAS THINKING OF USING DIFFERENT IMAGES... Dang CAPS... uh anyhoo... Like ESS said these will probably be used to advertise. Of course we always could use them on the site, but Id rather make those look better! :wink: [size=2]To be real honest I didnt put much time into these. :oops: [/size]

Wow, impressive! :o Im learning Spanish... I can understand it pretty well but I cant form sentences easily. As much as Id like to learn Polish, I should probably learn French next since its more common, at least in this area.

WB! Im going to try to remember too...

Oh, uh, I knew that.... :oops: :lol: Heh, thanks! :wink:

Did you try right-click, show picture or copy and paste? Otherwise I dont know what to tell ya. :(

Dangit Im Polish but I cant speak it... grrr. Right now would be a good time to have that skill. :x

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