KathyM

Ellie - there a few breeds of dog where blue is very much a plus - greyhounds being one too. I've seen a rise in the amount of blue dogs about (and cats strangely enough *lol*). K - hadnt thought of it that way before - it IS strange how dogs are different than other mammals for life expectancy. 3ofakind - It'll certainly be interesting to see what a JRT looks like over there in say 30 years. Many breeds have been changed so much over the years for aesthetic reasons only (look at brachycephalic dogs for example), and then there are less "historic" breeds that were created purely for the way they look. Us humans have a lot to answer for :-?

I know K - it was scary for us when we found out Ruby is already 6, to find out a Boxers life expectancy is only 9 or 10. I'm used to dogs making a grand age (the youngest we've lost was 15). I sound really morbid now dont I? :cry: :-?

Following on from the Dachshund thread (did I spell that right? I doubt it, sorry!), I was wondering for those who have pedigree dogs, what is their life expectancy? I was shocked to learn that the Boxer's life expectancy was only 9-10 years, and I know many Giant breeds have an even lower life expectancy (I believe Great Danes' average life expectancy is about 6-9 years?). Having had a mix of pedigrees (a rescue Beardie that made it to 16 and two foster greys) and crossbreeds (Floyd a little corgi cross GSD - yes it can happen - who lived to 15 and Spike a collie cross greyhound), I was wondering if the price we pay for pedigree dogs is less time with them? What do you think?

:lol: :lol: :lol: I dont mind sharing? :lol: :lol:

Ohhh Ellie *hug* *hug* :calus:

Awww Ellie - I'm really grateful for the one you found too - have saved it too :D *hug*

Wow! That one's GREAT - thanks :D

Oooo Ellie - ta muchly :D

Unless a clause in the contract specifies that the owner gives up the dog if bred from (or whatever you want to happen should they break the contract), then I cant see it being legally binding at all. You have to specify what you want to happen should they break it.

I'm pretty sure that if a solicitor reads through a contract and deems it lawful, it stands in court? I would make sure there is a clause whereby the new owners give up rights over their dog should they breed from it, and the dog becomes legally yours again. :-?

Bu you'd be able to gage their reaction to the offer, and act on that? If I was a breeder, and a potential owner was against neutering, or sniffed at the offer, I wouldnt sell them a pup. I know its different for those who are selling specifically for breeding, but if that was the case, firstly the offer wouldnt have been made, and secondly the potential owner wouldve been asking for a pup for breeding. I know this doesnt rule out the sneaky gets that pretend its for a pet home then dont follow it up, but if they have signed a breeders contract saying they will neuter, I would imagine that would hold legally if in the future you found out they were breeding, and you would have some right to get the dog back?

We have the sham registries here in the UK too :(

I agree, it's a shame about the way some breeders want flatter and flatter faces, it does go hand in hand with difficultites like entropion/ectropion, skin fold infections, breathing difficulties, eye probs and all, but I'm a massive Boxer fan, so cant really talk! I used to know a gorgeous bulldog who lived in our local pub. She used to sit on a barstool and SUCK peperamis :lol: :lol: :iloveyou: Edited to add: Ruby snores like a pig too! :iloveyou: :lol:

:iloveyou: :lilangel: Theyre gorgeous! :iloveyou: I'll tell you what, if they were humans with faces like that, you'd know what I mean :lol: Gorgeous for DOGS :lol:

I havent seen it, but by the sounds of things thats a good thing :-?

I think Otter should gt himself a good solicitor/lawyer and sue this woman. Not only is what she did fraudulent, but it's theft and passing on stolen goods (for want of a better term). I would also see if he has a case against the pound, as legally surely they are meant to get proof of ownership? :-? :evil:

Oh believe me K, she was a fine one to talk :lol: Ugly on the inside? More like all the way through! She had a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp! :lol: :lol:

:o :lol: :lol: Classic! Well on Rubys first walk with us I got a young woman screaming at me (drunk) "Dont you know Pitl Bulls are banned in this country!!" and when I said "Its a damn good thing shes a Boxer then, you dopey woman", she said to her friend "If that was my dog I'd have it put down - look at it!", he friend replied "I'd *bleeping* have it shot!! Ugly!!" Charming some people :roll:

Hi everyone :) I used to be a vet nurse, and my view is that early spaying and neutering is a good thing in the majority. Anaesthetics have never been safer, and many tiny baby animals need them for other ops and are just fine. I think its safer that the testicles are descended, but I have never met a vet that would neuter early if they werent. Most will leave the dog til they descend, or until they are nine months old (ish) and then do a cryptorchid neuter. My local cat rescue routinely neuter kittens as soon as they are 8 weeks old, so as to combat the problem of the masses of unwanted cats. It works very well, and if tiny kittens are safe to be operated on, then pups should be too. I think its an option that most rescues would welcome. I have read a US veterinary study on early neutering which showed that urinary tract problems in bitches were not linked to early neutering. I wish I could remember where I put the link! My cat Grace was spayed at 12 weeks old, and wouldve been spayed earlier (at 8 weeks) if she hadnt have had to have surgery on her eye at 9 weeks old. That operation (a third eyelid flap) was much lengthier and risky than a 10 minute spay op, and she recovered fine from both. Given the option I would have any pet I get in the future neutered before 12 weeks, as the benefits far outweigh the tiny risks. I do agree however that larger/giant breed owners should consult their vets about any misgivings they have about growth. Neutered dogs do get lankier because they grow for longer, but that happens whether they are neutered at 12 weeks or 6 months.