Super Dominate Dog????

[PupsMom]

IlBLisSlI napisał(a):

wow i was really going to stay out of this thread till i read this. i've really been trying hard here not to start more drama on this forum but i'm at the boiling point with this thread.

here's what i think. i think that if this dog isn't put down immediately you should be the one put down. if i was your kid the only thing going through my mind would be "what the h*** is wrong with my mother? why does she love this dog more than me? why would she want to jeopordize my safety for a fucking pet? maybe it was inbreeding, maybe mom was abused as a child, or perhaps she just didn't get enough hugs and needs a pet to make her feel better about herself while i sit here and bleed. whatever it is my mom must be off her rocker."

seriously if you are sitting here on a forum talking about how your dog attacked your child unprovoked instead of taking your dog to the vet to be put down i question your parenting abilities, and your common sense.

stop looking for the answers you want to hear and start listening to the right answers. put the dog down. end of discussion.

You may question my parenting abilities all you like but as for me I dont question my parenting abilities as I am raising a kind and compassionate son. He has a love for all living things bugs, dogs, cats, birds, you name it. If my son finds an injured or sick animal all he can think of is taking care of that animal and doing everything he possibly can to make them better. He once found a bird that was injured and begged me to let him see if he could help it, he immediatley had to go to the local library and check out as many books as they would let him so he could figure out the best ways to try to help it. So no I dont question my parenting abilities .......there are too many people out there that are rude, crude, mean and dont care about anyone or anything animals included.
The reason I asked in this forum if anyone knew of anything that might could be done to save Pepper is because my son wants with all his heart to help his dog he knew I was going to have her put down and asked for one last chance. I think that shows that he is very compassionate and forgiving.
Alot of your comments were completely uncalled for such as maybe mom was abused as a child etc ....... I will chalk those up as have being made by someone who has failed to completely evolve into a mature adult.

[courtnek]

Pups, you didnt answer my question..was a complete bloodwork and brain scan done? If it is something curable, its up to your vet to check and diagnose. Lymes can be treated, some brain tumors can...if you are not able or not willing to do this, then the dog needs to be put down. its up to you....I am not slamming you, just looking for the best outcome for everyone...

[Crystal]

I don't think her parenting skills are in question here. She is looking for help and trying to do the best thing she can for her son and her dog. No one wants to put an animal down. She was looking for another route other than that. I don't blame her for that one. I actually respect that she is caring enough to look for an alternative. Some people have dogs put down for stupid reasons. I think if she decided to put the dog down it would be for valid reasons, but she is trying to help the dog without having it die. I think that is great, but in all honesty the dog may end up put to sleep anyway. There may be no help for it, but she can try. As long as she keeps the dog and her son seperated while trying her options then who is she hurting. I don't think it's right to question her parenting skills. ~JMO~

[Crystal]

A dog attacking a child that is sleeping is a valid reason to have a dog put down.

I was saying that some people do it for stupid reasons. I've seen people do it with there hunting dogs because they were not as good as they used to be. Most caring people would try other things before resorting to this.

I think she is just trying to exhaust all options before killing her pet.

The dog needs help this is true, it may not be able to be helped. There may be something seriously wrong that can't be fixed, but I'm not going to call someone a bad parent for wanting to help the dog if they can. This has to be a tough situation for her, I just don't think insulting her parenting skills is going to accomplish anything.

[Crystal]

IlBLisSlI napisał(a):

Alright lets put a new spin on this... let’s say that your husband came home one day and stabbed your kids while they were sleeping. Granted he didn't kill them, just stabbed them a few times to the point where they had to go to the ER. Would you think it was wise to stay with your husband after that? I mean it only happened one time and maybe it'll never happen again if he gets some behavioral training... but then again maybe it will happen again. Do you think its good parenting to put your kids at risk in that way?

Oh yeah this is so totally the same thing. :lol: I know you aren't trying to be but you are hilarious.

I'm sorry, but People and Dogs are not equal.

When dogs are puppies or even grown and playing they bite, it happens. To another dog it is accecptable.(not talking as severe as the bite that started this thread) This is part of a dog, they bite and play.

Never have I in my entire life seen little kids running around stabbing one another with a knife being an acceptable sort of play. Atleast not in my part of the country, I suppose it's different in Florida??? :roll:

Sorry, Drew this time you are way off. I mean this two things are no where near the same.


I'm not saying that this dog should never be put down, I'm just saying I see why she wants to help the dog if she can. I think it is better to help if at all possible. If she is taking the proper steps to seperate her son and the dog while having the dog seen by a specialist and a vet (which I don't know if she is) then why call her a bad parent. Your just jumping at her throat when you don't know the situation as of now. Nor do I, but I am giving her the benefit of the doubt that after the bad bite she is being super careful. Maybe she isn't, but I doubt that seriously.

Now if she leaves this dog and her son alone while she is off in another room or runs out for a minute then yes she is lacking in proper parenting and dog owning responsibiltiy.

I just don't think you should insult someone's parenting skills when you are not in there shoes and do not know how she is handling things.

[Crystal]

IlBLisSlI napisał(a):

Crystal napisał(a):

When dogs are puppies or even grown and playing they bite, it happens. To another dog it is accecptable.(not talking as severe as the bite that started this thread) This is part of a dog, they bite and play.

Sorry, Drew this time you are way off. I mean this two things are no where near the same.

Crystal are you honestly trying to tell me that a dog mauling a sleeping child is just "playing"?

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You quote me and then asked that question when in the quote it says..."(not talking as severe as the bite that started this thread)"

NO I never said this dog was playing. I said your comparison makes no sense. It bite the child totally unprovoked, and that is a BAD thing. The dogs need to be seen by specialists and the decision of what to do should be made from there.

This was never a question of if the dog was playing. My only problem was your insulting her parenting skills. I think she did a responsible thing by seeking advice. Do you honestly think if you insult people they will listen to you better? Most people just get mad and don't pay attention to you after you treat them this way. You catch more flies with HONEY than with VINEGAR.

Don't you think your opinion would be considered more if you worded things in a way that people didn't take so much offense too? Or maybe you don't care. You just wish to be heard. You can tell the truth about a situation and get your opinon across without being so rude. You lack common courtesy.

[pyrless]

I REALLY don't think any of us on this board are qualified to diagnose or treat this situation, and I REALLY don't think PupsMom came here to have her parenting skills called into question.
PupsMom, you need a professional opinion asap.

[Crystal]

IlBLisSlI napisał(a):

I may lack common courtesy but at least I would never put being a compassionate pet owner over being a responsible parent.

That's great, neither would I. I just don't think attacking her parenting skills was called for. You haven't been to her house, you don't know what she is doing to prevent this.

In going back and rereading I found this.

PupsMom napisał(a):

I called him again alittle while ago and he is going to take Pepper for a week and see if he can make any progress with her. He told me he thinks its unlikely that he can but he said he would try. He also told me to prepare to make a descion if this does not work meaning to have her put down

Some suggested putting the dog down or seeing a behaviorist first. Which after seeing the above quote it looks like the dog is with the behaviorist now. I think she is being very responsible by doing this. She is also preparing herself for what happens if the behaviorist can't help. It appears that most likely the dog will be put to sleep, but she very responsibly tried to help. I think she did the best she was able and didn't jump into putting the dog down before all options were exhausted.

I never saw her say anything about not taking the advice she recieved her. In fact she did just that.

[PupsMom]

The behaviorist has had Pepper in his charge for several days now. The whole time he has been consulting with our vet. This morning they both agreed that they did not feel anything else could be done of benefit with Pepper. Mr. Stines our behaviorist called me and told me of his observations of her and his opinions. He believed her to have been severely abused as a young pup before we got her and that when she is in fear of something she responds with aggression. He said it was obvious that she had been starved as she is highly food aggressive. Even when presenting her with more than adequate amounts of food at all her feeding times she continued to be highly aggressive. He felt her to be too aggressive to attempt any hand feedings. He also believes that she is showing signs of being very predatory. And after reviewing all the reports on the attack of my son believes the attack was more of a predatory issue than of plain aggression. Since he was sleeping and had done nothing to the dog it was unlikely that she viewed him as a threat or feared him but more of she saw him as prey. He said that in itself makes her more of a threat to people than if she was just aggressive. He believes with her being starved that she had to hunt for food. He said he did not believe her to ever be safe around humans. So he recommended her to be put down.
It was very hard to tell my son this, he wanted to help her so much. I told him that we have done everything we can and that sometimes it still isn't enough and we have to let them go. He wanted to see her one last time so we all met at the vets office. Pepper was muzzled and on a leash so that Kevin could say his good byes to her. I cried when he asked Mr. Stines if it would be ok for him to toss her a ball so she could play alittle bit because he wanted her to have alittle good time before she had to go. I know Mr. Stines did all that he possibly could do. He had tears in his eyes watching Kevin roll the ball to Pepper so she could play with it with her paws and push it back to him with her nose. She couldn't fetch it since she had a muzzle on. Its amazing the amount of love a child can have.
When it was time to say our final good byes Kevin gave her a hug, a kiss on the head and told her she would have all the doggy bones she could eat in heaven. We both held a paw and rubbed her while they gave her the injection. She went peacefully. Now she is where she needs to be.

[luvmydog]

pyrless napisał(a):

I REALLY don't think any of us on this board are qualified to diagnose or treat this situation, and I REALLY don't think PupsMom came here to have her parenting skills called into question.
PupsMom, you need a professional opinion asap.

*Applauds* You are absolutely correct!!!

[xavierandrea]

I am sorry for your loss but it was in the best interest for everyone involved.

Pepper you are now free to run at the Rainbow Bridge!
RIP little lady. :angel: Be at rest.............

[Crystal]

:cry: I'm in tears for your family. I know this was no easy choice. Your son is very sweet and even though he may not realize it now, what you did for pepper took alot of courage. You let her go and let her out of what miserable past she had. Now she can be at peace. I'm so sorry for your loss and I hope your family can cope through this hard time.

I must tell you I very much respect you and the way you handled your situation. You tried harder than anyone I have ever seen. God bless you and your family.

[pyrless]

:cry:
i am sorry. hugs to you and your family.
i hope that you will feel welcome here in the future...

[luvmydog]

I'm very sorry for you and your family. You did all that you could and you allowed your dog to go peacefully while at your side. I hope that you can open your heart to another furry friend for your family in the future. Your son sounds like an absolute sweetheart and I'm so sorry that your parenting skills were ridiculously questioned. To me, you sound like a very caring mother and animal lover.

[ESSlover]

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. May she be rid of all her pain and fear at the bridge.. :angel:

[JackieMaya]

I'm so very sorry for you and your family for having to make this very difficult decision. It was the right decision to be made, and now Pepper will be free of the fear and anxiety issues.

My condolences to your family.

[PupsMom]

Thank you all for your words of advice, understanding and comfort. They have been a great help to my family. Its never easy to lose a pet. :(

[courtnek]

Pups, you made the hard decision, and the right one. you exhausted all of your options truly trying to help Pepper, without setting your son and family in harms way.

this is for the best. I am proud of your son, and please tell him so. His actions tell me he wont let this scar him, and he will move on and still care for animals. what a sweetheart, to want to play one more game...

I wish there were sterner laws for dealing with people like Peppers first owners, who apparently hurt him in ways that were not correctable. He will wait for you and your son at the bridge. No harm, no foul. this was for the best for everyone


lots of <<<<<hugs>>>>> to you and your son, and Pepper, now free to
never hurt again.

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