Any Update on Ontario BSL?

[DogPaddle]

Anyone know anything? I know it hasn't passed yet so it certainly could still fail. The Upper Senate has a record of sitting on animal/livestock legislation but I think that is due to (lucrative) pressure from agricultural special interests. They are the ones responsible for the death of every effort to toughen up animal abuse laws.

Anyway the more I think about it and the more pits I see in more own province that could be affected the more I think that at the very least the current propossed legislation may be too much. I am not oppossed to the idea of limited breed specific legislation that does not include banning but I cannot bring myself to support the actuallity of this new proposal.

[Taurus and Jada]

Dog Paddle,

Well.... where to begin. ... :x there are so many different aspects to Bill- 132 , some good and some not so good.

First and foremost is how they define a "Pit Bull"

(2) Section 1 of the Act is amended by adding the following definitions:

"pit bull" includes,

(a) a pit bull terrier,

(b) a Staffordshire bull terrier,

(c) an American Staffordshire terrier,

(d) an American pit bull terrier,

(e) a member of a class of dogs that have an appearance and physical characteristics that are substantially similar to dogs referred to in any of clauses (a) to (d); ("pit-bull")

That section "e" should scare ALOT of people. That is leaving the door wide open for them to add any dog with "substantial" characteristics to any of the aforementioned breeds. This will affect ALOT of dogs. (and owners)

Another part of the legislation which makes NO sense to me:

(g) train a pit bull for fighting.

So, dos this mean I can train a Presa for fighting??

This is pretty scary to, dont you think??

Warrant to seize dog

13. (1) Subsection (2) applies where a justice of the peace is satisfied by information on oath or affirmation that there are reasonable grounds to believe that,

(a) a dog is in any building, receptacle or place, including a dwelling house, other than in a pound operated by or on behalf of a municipality, Ontario or a designated body or in a research facility registered under the Animals for Research Act; and

(b) it is not desirable in the interests of public safety that the dog be in that location.

So now the police do not need a warrant to enter my house if someone beleives my dog (which is a Pit Bull, which has allready been stated in the bill that they are vicious) is dangerous.....

14. (1) Where the circumstances in clauses 13 (1) (a) and (b) exist and it would be impracticable to obtain a warrant because of exigent circumstances, a peace officer may exercise any of the powers of a peace officer described in section 13.

When less the 10% of teh dog population in Canada are registered, paperd dogs, tell me how the other 90% will comply to this next section??

Identification of pit bull

19. If it is alleged in any court proceeding under this Act that a dog is a pit bull, the onus of proving that the dog is not a pit bull lies on the owner of the dog.

Now... this section makes the least sense to me of it all:

(7.4) Where the operator of a pound believes it has possession of a pit bull and that it should not return the pit bull under subsection (7.3), the operator of the pound shall do one of the following with the dog:

1. Destroy the dog.

2. Transfer the dog to a person who is resident outside Ontario in a jurisdiction in which ownership and possession of the pit bull is lawful, where the person is acquiring the dog, in good faith, in order that it be used as a pet or in hunting or for working purposes.

3. Transfer the dog in accordance with clause 20 (6) (c).

4. Transfer the dog in accordance with the permission to transfer restricted pit bulls given by section 9 of the Dog Owners' Liability Act.

Read section 2 again.... a Pit bull is a "ticking time bomb" in Ontario, and they are not fit to walk the streets, but they are safe enough to go to our neighbouring provinces???

The part of the bill which is good is where the AG has increased fines to ALL irrisponsible dog owners who allow their dogs to act in an unacceptable way. The question is, isn't that enough? Will the Pit Bull owners not succumb(sp??) to the same fines/ jail time? Why is that not enough?

The opposition is doing a great job opposing the bill, but they are a minority, and I dont know how much difference they will make. Joe Tascoma spoke for over an hour at teh debate on Thursday and brought up a lot of great points, which i hope will make the Liberals think twice about a few things...

[imported_Kat]

gee whizz that is rough. i just DON'T get it why they class similar bull breeds as pit bulls! :evil: A staffordshire bull terrier in particular? I have never ever met a staffy that has shown aggression and I would highly recommend them as family dogs. This law is just ludicrous!

[DogPaddle]

Kat - People here don't seem to know the difference between a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and any of the other breeds listed. While I would understand confusing an American Staffordshire Terrier, an American Pit Bull Terrier or a "pit bull" I personally think the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is an identifiably different dog.

The law is to vauge in many points and has too much lattitude. Even were I wholly for BSL I could not support this bill. Sad when some of the people who run your country are morons.

[eric]

There is a protest march planned here in Ottawa on Nov 28th starting at 1 pm until 4 pm. People are asked to assemble at the Provincial court house on Elgin street and the march will end up at parliment.

The group organizing this is the National Capital Coalition for People and Dogs. Their website is www.nccpd.org. They have a bunch of info there.

[DogPaddle]

It's a nine hour drive to Ottawa, I probablly won't make it.

Has anyone seen the by-law proposed yesterday or something in London.
-extra insurance required
-higher dog licencing fees
-mandatory muzzling
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ANY DOG DEEMED THREATENING BY ANYONE.
Additionaly there is a possibility of the following:
Pits, Rotties, Akitas, GSD and Labs have been put on a dangerous breed list here in London and they would automatically be affected by above and would be required to apply for special permit within 90 days.

[Taurus and Jada]

I have a copy of the propsed by-law if any one would like to view it. The draft by-laws (there are two of them) include Pit Bulls, Rotweillers, Akitas, and Presa Canarios. There is no mention of GSD's or Labs....

One of the by-laws would ban the four mentioned breeds but they would be grandfathered in, with strict requirements. The other isn't much better, basically it would not ban them, but they would still have strict requirements.

Other parts to the by-law, noone under 18 yrs old can be caring for the dogs, ie walking, etc
The dogs which are deemed dangeous are not allowed to be walked more then one at a time
Noone can own more then one "dangerous dog"

[DogPaddle]

I would love to view it, can you email it?

[Taurus and Jada]

DogPaddle napisał(a):

I would love to view it, can you email it?

you bet, what your email address?

[Smooshie]

I wouldn't mind a copy either:

boxerdawg@gmail.com

thanks Kara :)

[DogPaddle]

DogPaddle@gmail.com
thanks