Dumb kid!

[__crazy_canine__]

I dont remember if I posted this here before but theres this girl who lives in my apartments ...shes probably about 6-7... but anyway when I first saw her with her sweet and beautiful Doberman, she let the puppy OFFleash and it almost got hit by a car! :evil: :o I went and caught the dog because it looked like she was chasing after him to get his leash back on. WRONG! When I held him she just let him go again... :roll: Then he almost got hit AGAIN!

OK well if none of that sounds familiar I guess I didnt post it but anyway... today I saw her and I went to go pet him. The dog has a prong collar on and shes YANKING that thang like CRAZY!!! :evil: Then when Im petting him he just goes mad and runs around, tail tucked, scared to death. IM thinking WTF?!? :o Then I see he has a shock collar on and shes hitting those buttoms like its a game or something! She says, "Youre lucky this is only on level 7!" :o :x :cry: I dont know levels on those things but it sounds like thats really high to me. POOR DOG!!!

Id like to know where the parents are and if they know what an idiot child they have! Geez that kills me to no end when I see kids handlings dogs like their objects and when parents arent around to do anything about it!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ellieangel]

That is absolutely disgusting :evil:

[zheelah]

Can't you report this to someone, here parents or...

This is just plain disgusting

[courtnek]

unfortunately, the parents are probably letting her do it. "training by shock" has become way too popular. call AC. maybe they can do something.

:evil:

[__crazy_canine__]

ILl try to get a hold of someone about this... Im going to ask tomorow when Im volunteering at Petsmart about it so i can get more people's opinions.

Cant a dog get spine damage or throat damage or something from yanking so hard on one of those things?!? ESPECIALLY on a puppy?!?

:evil: :x :o :cry: :roll:

[ESSlover]

That is soooo evil! You should report it! :o :( :cry: :x :evil:

[Carolk9s]

This could, just maybe, be a SUPER opportunity for you to off some training assistance. This kid does not know any better and needs a mentor NOW. Is it possible for you to talk to her and her parents and offer some free tips on responsible and gentle training techinques before this poor pup ends up in the shelter as 'uncontrollable'?

[__crazy_canine__]

Carolk9s napisał(a):

This could, just maybe, be a SUPER opportunity for you to off some training assistance. This kid does not know any better and needs a mentor NOW. Is it possible for you to talk to her and her parents and offer some free tips on responsible and gentle training techinques before this poor pup ends up in the shelter as 'uncontrollable'?

If I come across her again then yes Ill try. Im shy so its going to be kind of hard for me PLUS I suck at working with kids... I cant stand them and Im afraid I would lose my temper! Ill give it a shot...

This dog is so sweet and its hardly uncontrollable, believe me, although I know its possible for them to think differently. I just hope the parents arent complete idiots if I go and talk to them! The only thing I cant stand more than stubborn kids is stubborn adults! :lol: :roll:

[SizzleDog]

That poor dobe... dobermans are sensitive dogs, especially when they're puppies. That little pup is going to have some serious issues when it grows up... :(

I would definitely call animal control.

Dobermans are prone to CVI - Cervical Vertebral Instability, a.k.a. Wobblers. A prong collar is a better idea than a head halter (only use a head haltr as a last resort, and I mean LAST resort!), but it sounds like the prong is definitely being used incorrectly!

[coastie_wife]

I have a 7 year old who, left alone with a dog on a shock collar, would probably think it was funny to zap him. He also farts at the dinner table, because his cousin did it this summer and laughed about it. Chances are very good that if the parents cared, the child would not be alone with the dog, walking him.

I don't trust my child to walk either of our dogs, he's not responsible enough. For crying out loud, you are discussing a child who is at best in second grade! My son cannot be trusted to take his lunch to school because he ends up giving half of it away on the bus because the kids 'really like the kind of pudding/cookies he has' :roll: It is not the 'dumb child' you should be mad at....it is the 'idiot parents' and perhaps yourself that your initial reaction is to blame a 6-7 year old rather than them. Please don't take that as an attack, it just astounds me watching my 7 year old that someone could be attacking the child, when at this age they should still be TOTALLY under parental control. The fact that this child is not should tell you what her parents are like.

They do not learn to be cruel alone. It takes parental or peer influence to get that way...and responsible parents do not allow peer influence to become so strong at such an age that it is 'cute' to torture a dog. That is usually the result of parents who don't care about the child OR the dog. The type of people who would then put the dog down if he/she were to bite said child.

And btw: I'm not a big fan of kids either. I enjoy my son, and his friends, but I'm in no rush to go have 4 more, and I don't run around taking care of other children. I KNOW they can be demon spawn....but I also know that very few turn out that way unless the parents are ignorant asses.

[Seijun]

I don't consider shock collars cruel, and they can be wonderful trainers if used on the right dogs, in the right manner, and on a power level that doesn't cause the dog excessive pain, but this is just insane! NO kid should be left alone in control of a shock collar!! :x Shock collars should only be used by people who know WHEN, WHERE, and HOW to use them, they are tools that will work when used correctly, but NO young kid would be capable of knowing how to PROPERLY use a shock collar. They should put the collar on him to see how HE likes being shocked over and over again for no reason!

Just the other day there was a boy I wanted to strangle. I was out with Shilo and we were watching this little kid riding a bike way down the road. His JRT runs towards us barking angrily but keeps at a good distance because he is alone and is afraid of Shilo. The kid is trying to call the dog but it won't come. So he runs towards us, followed by this GIANT Kavas/Great Pyrenees thing and a little poodle mix. The closer he comes towards us, the closer the JRT comes, until the kid, poodle mix, and GP thing are only about a yard away and the JRT only a foot away. Shilo can't believe her luck. She's on the end of her leash, flattened to the ground, frozen, staring at the JRT unblinkingly, and drooling and licking her lips. I just know that if the JRT gets any closer, Shilo could catch it and kill it, so I am yelling at the kid to go back. The only reason the JRT is so close is because it feels safer with the kid near by. If he would just leave, the JRT and the other dogs would follow him back. This kid is so dumb, it’s like he doesn't hear a word I am saying! He keeps trying to grab the JRT which just jumps away and growls and snaps at the kid, so finally the kid goes to grab a stick and HIT the dog! (Oh how I wish that JRT would have bit him), but I stopped him from grabbing the stick and FINALY he gets it through his thick head that if he goes back, the dogs will follow him back (like I had been telling him would happen the WHOLE TIME!! AUURGGG!!! :evil: ). So he finally leaves, followed by the dogs, and Shilo, realizing her chance to “catch” the dogs is escaping, flips out at the end of her leash, snarling and bristling. Thankfully, no one was hurt. I was SOOO worried that Shilo would kill one of the dogs, or even worse, try grabbing the kid (she thinks kids under 12 are squeaky toys).

Sometimes I hate kids with a passion, they just can't be trusted with animals, it is sickening that so many nowadays think they can just hit a dog or try to hurt it when it disobeys.

~Seij

[Cairn6]

I completely agree with you coastie wife. A 7 year old child is not capable of being held responsible for that behavior they are just too young. I am actually quite appalled by the way some on here react when a child is involved. You love animals so much and would never hold an animal responsible for something that they just can't be held responsible for yet you can't give a child the same consideration. A child that young is no more responsible for their actions then a dog that hasn't been taught is when they do something wrong.

Sometimes I hate kids with a passion, they just can't be trusted with animals, it is sickening that so many nowadays think they can just hit a dog or try to hurt it when it disobeys.

What the heck?

[Ripley's Girl]

Oh so you have one of the little demons in your neighborhood too???

Sounds like this girl is just uneducated and young. Which means, she has NO purpose putting an ecollar on that puppy! And she REALLY needs to learn how to use the prong effectively, or, more desirably, have someone a little older and more knowledgeable train the dog.

I agree with whoever said to offer training advice. Show her how to fit the prong collar (I have a feeling it's not fitted well) and demonstrate what the zap from the e-collar feels like on her arm. (I, personally put ANY training collar on MY OWN neck and yank/zap myself with it before I try it out on my dog, that way I know exactly what the levels feel like and I can tell if I'm misusing a prong or giving too mild/stern a correction)

She must have incredibly irresponsible parents, so try to be her parent for awhile and teach her how to handle the dog humanely. She IS very young and probably has taken that 'method' of training from her parents. IMO, the dog is being mistreated and should be confiscated, but if your AC is anything like ours is around here, that's not gonna happen.

Good luck and keep us posted.

[Seijun]

[quote name='Cairn6']

Sometimes I hate kids with a passion, they just can't be trusted with animals, it is sickening that so many nowadays think they can just hit a dog or try to hurt it when it disobeys.

What the heck?

What.. ?

Sorry, I guess I got myself worked up.. But yeah, as a general rule, I don't like kids. I am not disputing that some kids are wonderful with animals, but others.... :evil: Didn't any of you read the news story last month where a 9 and 11 yr old (I think those were the ages, both were under 13) put a PUPPY on a BARBEQUE GRILL and CLOSED the lid!?? The puppy died, these children did that for FUN. No doubt, their parents are partly to blame, but what the heck is wrong with a kid who tortures a dog to DEATH!? Also, I have had one to many kids try teasing my dog. My 13 year old sister was raised with animals, taught how to hendle them, but when she looses her temper, she tries to take it out on the dog! One time she tried to hit my dog 3 times in one day, on the third time, it was with a newspaper, I got so mad I punched her. I know, punching her might not have been the right thing to do, but I was fed up with her trying to hit my dog. Some kids just don't know, but others will CONTINUE to mistreat a dog even when told not to. The kid who wanted to hit the JRT with a stick-I had to push him away from the stick because he wouldn't listen to me when I told him NOT to hit the dog! Grrr... Sorry, I am very protective of my pets, and kids these days don't know how to handle animals. I can't help but hate them sometimes.

~Seij

[coastie_wife]

"Sorry, I guess I got myself worked up.. But yeah, as a general rule, I don't like kids. I am not disputing that some kids are wonderful with animals, but others.... Didn't any of you read the news story last month where a 9 and 11 yr old (I think those were the ages, both were under 13) put a PUPPY on a BARBEQUE GRILL and CLOSED the lid!?? The puppy died, these children did that for FUN. No doubt, their parents are partly to blame,"

Yeah, I guess parents who should have total parental supervision *might* be paritally to blame for what the kids do :roll: And let me bring up again, this discussion was NOT about 9-11 year olds, it was about a child who is 7, at BEST. The age where parents would get arrested if the child was left home alone. RESPONSIBLE PARENTS DO *NOT* RAISE CHILDREN WHO WOULD DO SOMETHING CRUEL TO AN ANIMAL. I saw that my son did dumb things when he was 2 to our dog....he therefore was not around another dog until he was 5 1/2. If you think kids doing cruel things has nothing to do with the parents, you're dreaming.

And BTW--would you have punched the dog for poor behavior?

[Seijun]

No, I would not have punched the dog for poor behavior, but this time I was really fed up with my sis's behavior, She isn't a dog and I had told her NUMEROUS times to not try hitting my dog. This girls 13, she should have known better after being scolded so many times. Like I said, punching her might not have been the right thing to do :oops: , but she had a newspaper in her hand and she was getting ready to him my dog in the face with it (not but 10 minutes after I had yelled at her for trying to hit my dog with her fists when my dog got too playful and pulled on her hair a bit). I don't loose my temper easily, but there are only so many times I will alow for someone to try hitting my dog. It's more the "pre-teen" sort of age group that I have the most problems with-you know, the kind who should be old enough to know better.

[imported_Debbie]

:o

#1- a child of 7 should not be allowed to have control of a puppy without supervision.
#2- Those parents are idiots. Not only are they allowing a 7yr. old to to tease and torment an animal, but obviously they aren't supervising their own little animal (their 7yr. old) :evilbat:
Don't get me wrong....I don't hate kids, but I do hate parents who don't make their kids mind and don't make them accountable for their actions. :x
#3- Not only should these people be turned in to the Humane Society but they should also be turned in to the Social Services for leaving their child unsupervised. (both should be taken)
She'll probably become the next Jeff Dahmer or at the very least a Bully to others....... :evilbat:
Sorry......JMO :wink:

[coastie_wife]

The thing is Seijun, I mostly agree with you....but like some others I see the 'my dog can do....but children cannot' thing going on. Why would you punch a child but not a dog? A 13 year old who does not know better is no different than a 3 year old dog who bites because he was not taught better.

My son got a squirt gun last week. His first ever. He knew not to hit his daddy or me with the squirt gun, and was told not to do it to his friends or dogs.

So 10 minutes unsupervised with the gun....and our neighbor rings the bell. Apparently he squirted her, and when she asked him to stop, he refused.

He no longer has the squirt gun. I am VERY happy she told me.....she said that she has raised 3 boys and knows boys will be boys, but would want to know if her boys did that. I thanked her, and meant it. He got the toy gun taken away, just as he would have no more options about the dogs if he did such things with them.

RESPONSIBLE people do NOT leave irresponsible children with animals. It really is as simple as that.

[__crazy_canine__]

Gosh Im so nervous about this. When I do find her again, I know shes a little brat... friends have said so and I can tell shes stubborn! :roll: Im going to try and ask if I can talk to her parents, but if she says no, what should I do?

Im going to try and be as nice as possible but, dang, I dont know if I can!

And another thing... I dont get how some of you can say its completely the parents fault and not the kid's at all! I agree that the parents are mostly at fault but I said I dont know the kids exact age... she could be 9 for all I know but then again she could be 6. So, the girl can be held partially responsible for what shes doing. I mean I know a lot of times kids dont think before doing something but they still undertsand right and wrong... their bringing up does have a lot to do with that though.

[courtnek]

why do you think you need to ASK her if you can talk to her parents? She is a small child, walking a dog she cant properly handle, and zapping it with an e-collar. that in itself would be enough reason to contact her parents, with or without her permission. I am sorry, but too many people nowadays feel that children should be allowed to "have their space", "indulge in their emotions", "go with their spirit"....

horse hockey!! children that young need guidance, not space; rules, not emotional outbursts; discipline, not free reign.....you can start giving those
priveledges to a teenager, who has proven he/she can handle them, but not a 6-7 year old. That child is too young to be handling a dog without parental or adult guidance. She has proven she cant handle it well.

I would try to teach her, since her parents obviously are not, since teaching is what she really needs. But if she doesnt respond (and from what you have said I dont think she will) then it's time to inform her parents. If that doesnt work, then its time to threaten to inform AC.

[__crazy_canine__]

Ummm... I get what youre saying court but uh keep in mind in some peoples eyes Im still a kid too. Im 14...

But how am I supposed to contact her parents if the kid wont let me? Stalk her and then knock on her door after she locks me out? :lol: Hmm... nevermind thatll work! :lol: :wink:

[courtnek]

In a lot of ways you are still a kid. You still have a lot of growing and learning to do. But in the dog space, you have shown you are a responsible person who takes the proper care of dogs seriously. There are a lot of adults (including this kids parents) who couldnt claim that.
Maturity is not so much about age, but about responsiblility and accepting the fact that your actions will affect someone/something else. Being so young, you might be able to get through to this child better than an adult would. think about that for a minute. You could be the saving grace in this childs thinking about animals. Would that not make you proud?

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[__crazy_canine__]

Thanks Court! :D

OK so now I just need everyones help on what exactly I should say when I see her next time. I dont want to be mean to her, Ill try to be as nice as possible so I can try to help the dog but if she starts acting like the little brat she is, lol, I dont know how Ill handle it!

Should I offer another kind of collar?
Should I offer to train her dog?
Should I suggest training lessons at a pet store(like the PetsMart I go to)?
What should I say to her parents if I do talk to them?

[coastie_wife]

First off Crazy, I think you should have written your age in your first posting. A 14 year old saying nasties about small children is MUCH more understandable than say, a 30 year old. As I wrote, I'm not overly fond of them myself, but as a mother I *get* it better than most who have never had them.

Secondly, a child between 6 and 10 should NOT be running free with a potentially damaging device. Pay attention, ask others, and eventually you will discover where she lives. And again, children that age range are not BORN bad (some can be, I'm speaking in generics), it is rare that their bad habits were not born of their parents. It doesn't matter her age....if it is under 11 and older than 3....the parents SHOULD be involved. Simple as that. I hope you are able to work this out :)

[courtnek]

Crazy, you could try this. when you see her, put your PO'd emotions in a box, and say "y'know, I know alot about dogs. you seem to have a small problem controlling him/her. I can help, if you want..."then slowly, and with a lot of encouragement to her, show her the proper method to handle the dog. if you know how, show her the correct placement of the prong collar. Make her your friend. smile a lot. dont get angry with her responses at first, they may not be what you want to hear. She sounds ike she has a shell around her. protecting her by angry responses on her part.

In the long run, she will respond. But you have to be patient, and swallow your own anger. I will help with whatever you need.

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