Sue Sternberg

[Guest Anonymous]

Here is where you post your information on Sue Sternberg...good or bad...lets go....

Of course I"m on my way out the door so I can't post mine just yet.

[mouseatthebusstop]

People like her should be banned from being Star Trek Fans!!!!

Being a LONG time Trekkie myself, I couldn't agree more.

Funny thing about Ms. Sternberg...she is so adament that any dog showing aggression of any kind must die, yet was pushing a known child biter as her own "Pet of the Month."

I didn't know who she was by name only :oops:
I do think her ideas are stupid -if a dog has beem badly treated with a stick it woud freak having a stick put near it

[cheekymunkee]

I'm short on time but one thing that really sticks out in MY mind is Beau the black cocker on her HBO special Shelter Dogs. She poked & prodded the poor baby with the plastic hand until it finally reacted to it. She deemed him horribly aggressive & took him to be PTS. AFTER she stopped at McDonald's for a last meal of chicken nuggets. WHICH she HAND FED him in the vet's office before he was killed. If he was so aggressive how in the hell was she able to hand feed him???

Debby

[Lokipups]

Deb, as far as I'm concerned, that scene with Beau was the nail in the coffin concerning her "expertise" :roll: . Even non-dog people who watched it couldn't believe what they were seeing. I don't know about you, but I don't need no stinkin' rubber hand to figure out if a dog is a resource guarder :-? , just put the bowl down and take a step closer to the dish. If the dog's commisure starts to move foward, then it's an issue. Most dogs are pretty honest about they way they feel if you just look at one closely enough. And resource guarding is one of the easiest problems to fix too.

Bottom line, ASSess-A-Pet is just a program for overcrowded shelters to take the easy way out and assuage their guilt for PTS so many good animals. Not to mention the fact that it's very profitable for Ms. Sternberg as well. The infamous rubber hand on a stick costs about 4 bucks to make, and they charge 30 for it :crazyeyes: . Not to mention the seminars, conventions, grants from Maddies Fund and the like, evaluations at her kennel, etc. Adds up very nicely I bet.

[Guest Anonymous]

Here, I will post all the previous comments about her fromt he Primmey thread :wink:

[quote name='Aroura']... but who is SS???

[quote name='Tammy']Sue Sternberg.


[quote name='Mouseatthebusstop'][quote name='Tammy']Sue Sternberg.
:niewiem:


[quote name='Cheekymunkee']AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She SAID it!!!!!!! Run for your lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Debby

[quote name='pLaurent']Who is Sue Sternberg? She calls herself "Hitler" and is a big Star Trek Fan. :D

One of her former employees has a few words to say, particularly about the Temperament testing SS has come up with.

http://www.webspawner.com/users/phonyroniredbone/


[quote name='Tammy'][quote name='Cheekymunkee']AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She SAID it!!!!!!! Run for your lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Debby
Oppsss sorry :oops:

I also take it I need to explain about her...will I get in trouble for that?

Someone beat me to it :)

Oh yeah there is also a yahoo group dedicated to keeping her test out of shelters.

[quote name='K']People like her should be banned from being Star Trek Fans!!!! :evil:

[quote name='pitbullEmily'][quote name='Mouseatthebusstop'][quote name='Tammy']Sue Sternberg.
:niewiem:
inventer/peddler of the "assess a hand"... plastic hand on a stick that shelter workers use to test food aggression. Of course, the dog knows the hand is plastic, so you could just use a stick.....


Also peddler of the notion that showing a dog a doll will test whether the dog is child aggressive...

Also peddler of the notion that 75% of the dogs in the NE are unadoptable (so she goes south go import them)

Also peddler of the notion that you can't adopt a pit bull out to anyone with other dogs, cats, or children, or to anyone who lives in a neighborhood with other dogs, cats or children, or who lives in a neighborhood where someone might object. (I am not making this up: it's in the intro to her "Controversial Pit Bull" tape)

I suppose she does deserve credit for popularizing the idea that shelters should temperament test dogs. Unfortunately her methods (especiallyas applied in so called no kill shelters) result in the deaths of untold thousands/millions of potentially adoptable dogs.

[quote name='_crazy_canine_']Thanks for explaining I had NO idea who she was either. Ooo I HATE those stupid hands they use! Youre right the dogs CAN tell theyre plastic so its completely different!

Anyway, I dont know that much about her to say shes a bad person myself. Anyone have any links to some of her "work"?

[quote name='Lokipups']Crazy, go to her website for Rondout Valley Kennels, and then go check out her former employees site. If you can get ahold of it, also watch the HBO documentary "Shelter Dogs".
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/c_adams/
I have seen the almighty Sternberg live, and I walked out of the lecture with about a dozen other trainers :evil: . What she did bordered on animal abuse, and what she knows about canine behavior you could fit on the head of a pin and still have room for angels to dance :evilbat: .

[quote name='pLaurent'][quote name='K']People like her should be banned from being Star Trek Fans!!!! :evil:
Being a LONG time Trekkie myself, I couldn't agree more. :evil:
Funny thing about Ms. Sternberg...she is so adament that any dog showing aggression of any kind must die, yet was pushing a known child biter as her own "Pet of the Month." :o


[quote name='Shenanigans']

Quote:
Also peddler of the notion that showing a dog a doll will test whether the dog is child aggressive...

In that case, both of my dogs should be child killers. You should see what they do to dolls. In fact just last night, as Shenanigans was cuddling neighbourhood kids, he saw a little girl's doll and I had to make sure he didn't gut it. The children escaped happy and slightly slimey.

[quote name='HazelNutMeg']While I agree with the above, I have to point out, being an owner of a food aggressive dog (who has changed dramitclly, so I'm proud of him! :) ) If there was a dog I'd never met and didnt' know if it was food aggressive, and went to take it's dish away, I'd rather use a stick or "plastic hand" of some sort first. It HURTS to be bit by a food aggressive dog :o I'd rather the plastic hand get bit than I! If the dog left it alone, THEN I would try to go for the dish, but only if someone else had the dog on lead too! So I don't get what the big deal is over the plastic hand! :-? I'd rather it get bitten than I!

Other than that, yes, Sue sucks :lol: But do we have to call her SS? Those are MY innitials! :o :puppydogeyes: And I really want to work with dogs in a feild of behavior, I hope people dont' start calling me that and think I'm evil like her :lol: :lol:



[quote name='Sashagirl']Hazel, I think the difference is that a food aggressive dog will no doubt bite the plastic hand OR a real hand to protect it's food... In which case the plastic hand is good.

But... Just because a dog bites the plastic hand, doesn't mean that it will ALSO bite the real hand... And certainly doesn't mean that it should be doomed to death...

I hope that makes sense. I am tired.


[quote name='HazelNutMeg'][quote name='sashagirl']Hazel, I think the difference is that a food aggressive dog will no doubt bite the plastic hand OR a real hand to protect it's food... In which case the plastic hand is good.

But... Just because a dog bites the plastic hand, doesn't mean that it will ALSO bite the real hand... And certainly doesn't mean that it should be doomed to death...

I hope that makes sense. I am tired.

Yes, it makes sense :D And I do agree, that's why I said that if the dog doesn't bite the plastic hand, it should be tested with a real hand next :wink: Little steps are what dog training is all about right? Just like training a new trick, you start with something small and work your way up, the same goes for this. :D Like while trying to teach Coal it's okay for me to take his dish away, we started with me just sitting by him while he ate, and eventually built it up to me petting him while he ate, then putting a cookie in his dish, then finally taking his dish away, putting a cookie in it, and giving it back :wink:


[quote name='Sashagirl']Hazel,

Also, when Sue uses the hand it's even worse... The dog will be eating... She will take the hand and pull the food away. Dog does nothing. She will pet the dog with the hand, dog does nothing... She will keep on and keep on... Poking the dog, pushing the dog.... It's nuts... I would bite her too if she did that crap to me!!!

[Guest Anonymous]

phew *whipes forhead* that was a lot of quotes :lol: :wink:

sashagirl napisał(a):

Hazel,

Also, when Sue uses the hand it's even worse... The dog will be eating... She will take the hand and pull the food away. Dog does nothing. She will pet the dog with the hand, dog does nothing... She will keep on and keep on... Poking the dog, pushing the dog.... It's nuts... I would bite her too if she did that crap to me!!!

Me too! Like on that one link (I forget who posted it :oops: ) it says about how if someone poked you in the arm repeatidly, you'd eventually go "stop it!" Although I think I would be concidered EXTREMELY aggressive because I hate repetitive things, and so when people do that to me I freak out :lol: :lol:

[Aussies]

Lokipups napisał(a):

Bottom line, ASSess-A-Pet is just a program for overcrowded shelters to take the easy way out and assuage their guilt for PTS so many good animals.

I kind of take offense at this - what do you suggest these shelters do? If they don't temperment test - how should they choose? What's to be done about the overcrowding? I'm involved with rescue with the breed of my choice in an area where there are many overcrowded, impoverished rural shelters and where the education, and quality of pet-ownership, and responsibility is so low as to be non-exhistant. People who critisize selection by temperment testing seem to stop short of being able to suggest reasonable alternatives. There is no magical supply of foster homes ready and waiting to spring forward and take all these dogs, much less foster homes with the expertise to work with problem dogs. This isn't my imagination, it's the sad reality of rescue. Sue Sternburg may not be perfect but, I have yet to see any better alternatives. :(

[abker17]

Sue Sternburg may not be perfect but, I have yet to see any better alternatives. :(

I don't think anyone here disagrees with temperment testing, surely it is something we NEED to do. BUT Sue's temperment testing, is pushing it. A lot. So many dogs that don't need to be put down are because many of her tests end up irritating the dog to the point where it has to lash out. And then she deems it "aggresive" and "unadoptable" after poking it with a rubber hand 20 times! What does she really expect? This lady is sick and needs to be stopped.

[pitbullEmily]

[quote name='abker17']

Sue Sternburg may not be perfect but, I have yet to see any better alternatives. :(

I don't think anyone here disagrees with temperment testing, surely it is something we NEED to do. BUT Sue's temperment testing, is pushing it. A lot. So many dogs that don't need to be put down are because many of her tests end up irritating the dog to the point where it has to lash out. And then she deems it "aggresive" and "unadoptable" after poking it with a rubber hand 20 times! What does she really expect? This lady is sick and needs to be stopped.

temperament testing used to weed out very damaged dogs and to identify solvable training issues ... yes!
temperament testing used as an excuse to kill dogs... no!

Too many shelters use tt as just another justification for their existence as euthanasia warehouses.

Shelters should kill far fewer dogs, and especially not kill dogs that have minor behavior or health issues, or are too big, or too black, or the wrong breed or ... Shelters SHOULD do extensive outreach and funding for s/n to reduce the number of unwanted dogs, education of owners, basic training of dogs. They should stop whining about how they don't have enough time or money and do something positive.

The number of pet animals killed in this country is a disgrace and something we should all be ashamed and embarrased about.

[Lokipups]

Lokipups wrote:

Bottom line, ASSess-A-Pet is just a program for overcrowded shelters to take the easy way out and assuage their guilt for PTS so many good animals.


I kind of take offense at this - what do you suggest these shelters do? If they don't temperment test - how should they choose? What's to be done about the overcrowding? I'm involved with rescue with the breed of my choice in an area where there are many overcrowded, impoverished rural shelters and where the education, and quality of pet-ownership, and responsibility is so low as to be non-exhistant. People who critisize selection by temperment testing seem to stop short of being able to suggest reasonable alternatives. There is no magical supply of foster homes ready and waiting to spring forward and take all these dogs, much less foster homes with the expertise to work with problem dogs. This isn't my imagination, it's the sad reality of rescue. Sue Sternburg may not be perfect but, I have yet to see any better alternatives.

Aussies, I too work in rescue (Siberian Huskies) and have been involved with shelters for a long time. What I take exception to is not the fact that temperament testing is done (because we must determine if there are any behavior issues before adopting out any dog), but using it as a means to an end with shelters that call themselves "no-kill".
Did you know that any shelter can call themselves "no-kill" and still PTS dogs? If any dog fails the Assess-a-Pet, they are automatically discounted in the yearly euthanasia totals, as if they never existed. And if they're a "no-kill" shelter they can qualify for grants and funding? That is where I find it to be a farce, to use Assess-a-Pet to qualify as a "no-kill" shelter, and still kill thousands of animals. I have far more respect for the shelters who euthanize because of overcrowding and are honest about it, particularly because their choices are made so difficult.
Temperament testing has it's place, but abusing it to fail dogs and to be eligible for funding is abhorent.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='abker17']

Sue Sternburg may not be perfect but, I have yet to see any better alternatives. :(

I don't think anyone here disagrees with temperment testing, surely it is something we NEED to do. BUT Sue's temperment testing, is pushing it. A lot. So many dogs that don't need to be put down are because many of her tests end up irritating the dog to the point where it has to lash out. And then she deems it "aggresive" and "unadoptable" after poking it with a rubber hand 20 times! What does she really expect? This lady is sick and needs to be stopped.

DING DING DING We have a correct answer here!

Hell if her test were used to her extremes each and every one of the 8 dogs here would be dead.

Belle would try to rip your hand off for a toy or food. Up until a year ago. Now I find her sharing food with AJ! Don't ask the secret it just happened! I was diligent in making sure that her and the kids were never together with food or toy but last night AJ was eating and sharing his food with her. Then he stuck his hand in her food bowl and was feeding her by hand (Hubby's watch don't ya know).

Bobbie and Ariel are scared of strangers and I have no doubt if they felt threatened they would bite...I don't let it happen.

CJ the Pom is a bitter...he has no teeth so there has been no blood drawn. But I know what triggers the bites and reprimand accordingly.

Beaux growled at a vet the day I picked him up for her checking his teeth. Guess what that was March and now I can check his teeth 30 times in a row without a growl. He may try to walk away but hell I don't like people's hands in my mouth.

Gretchen growled at her last adoptive home for people trying to get her off the couch. Has NEVER happened here. She has been with me since last June minus the week and half she was in the adoptive home. Wonder why.

Prissy well she is a hyper 2 year old Pit Bull with the attention span of a gnat! That is death right there according to SS.

Little Girl has growled at kids for hanging on her. She has growled when I tried to get her off my coffee table (so the kids could eat a snack other wise I don't care if she sleeps there). It happened ONCE and I never raised a hand or voice to her.

There are dogs with issues out there but most of them can be dealt with.

I have a problem with the notion that only 30 pound cuties with perfect behavior are suitable for rescue.

I'll tell you there was a time when I had 30 minutes to evaluate a shelter full of dogs and pick which ones I was going to foster (It was myself and another foster home pulling dogs). I don't know what I did but I never had a dog that I picked have issues.

Dogs that I told them not to pull such as Magoo the 5 year old white GSD that one woman INSISTED on Pulling. Magoo stayed with me 2 weeks while she was on vacation (which was right after his neuter). He ate a door frame and tried to go through a window while here. Then at her house ate out of the outdoor kennel she had him in. He was too much for her. He lived with me for 6 months and a purple sweat shirt was the answer. We started dressing him every day. His new owners dress him and guess what it was the key to easing the Separation Anxiety.

I'm getting long winded I could go on. I have had dogs with issues and I guess I have been lucky because even the Anatolian that did go through a window when I wasn't home has found a pefect home and is living the life!

[courtnek]

well, you all know how I feel about Sue. IMO, she should not be allowed near animals, period. The tests themselves, when properly conducted, and in a proper environment, can and do show the aggressive TENDENCIES SOME dogs may have. To food, to noise, to quick movements. To prod a dog who is trying peacefully to eat, in a strange place, away from its people, or who was previously abused, is not a proper usage of the test. I would be very pleased with a shelter dog who had been starved, but showed no food aggression the first or second time it was prodded or the dish pulled away. you would move on from that to being able to touch the bowl, pick it up, remove it completely, but for safeties sake the hand right now is the best bet. She prodded those dogs into aggression, then put them down. Dogs in a strange place, among strange people, lots of unknown smells, lots of noise. No wonder they eventually snapped. I would too! This woman is a news hungry, wants-to-see-her-face-in-lights, wannabe star. She should be disallowed access to any shelters and any animals at all. it's not THEM she really cares about, it's HER.

[Guest Anonymous]

Yeap that would be it. That is the one I saw that really changed my mind.

See I met Suzy May of 2003. Dim bulb in the personality department.

I wasn't impressed at anything but her ability to dodge people who were trying to ask questions during the seminar breaks.

[pLaurent]

She prodded those dogs into aggression, then put them down. Dogs in a strange place, among strange people, lots of unknown smells, lots of noise. No wonder they eventually snapped. I would too! This woman is a news hungry, wants-to-see-her-face-in-lights, wannabe star. She should be disallowed access to any shelters and any animals at all. it's not THEM she really cares about, it's HER

All I can add is "AMEN"!

[Lokipups]

Hey Tammy, didja spring for the xeroxed copies of the lecture notes for 10 bucks a pop :lol: ? I got yelled at for trying to write notes :P .

[Guest Anonymous]

Lokipups napisał(a):

Hey Tammy, didja spring for the xeroxed copies of the lecture notes for 10 bucks a pop :lol: ? I got yelled at for trying to write notes :P .

No didn't have to pay for lecture notes. This was a Petfinder seminar. Don't know if they even offered them.

I forgot about the "You DO NOT have to take notes this is all VERY simple" garbage the whole time. I wasn't even allowed to fiddle with my pen it sent her over the edge. I've lost all my notes and such from that conference. No doubt in a box in my garage for Beaux to eat :-)

[Aussies]

[quote name='"Lokipups"']

Lokipups wrote:
Aussies, I too work in rescue (Siberian Huskies) and have been involved with shelters for a long time. What I take exception to is not the fact that temperament testing is done (because we must determine if there are any behavior issues before adopting out any dog), but using it as a means to an end with shelters that call themselves "no-kill".
Did you know that any shelter can call themselves "no-kill" and still PTS dogs? If any dog fails the Assess-a-Pet, they are automatically discounted in the yearly euthanasia totals, as if they never existed. And if they're a "no-kill" shelter they can qualify for grants and funding? That is where I find it to be a farce, to use Assess-a-Pet to qualify as a "no-kill" shelter, and still kill thousands of animals. I have far more respect for the shelters who euthanize because of overcrowding and are honest about it, particularly because their choices are made so difficult.
Temperament testing has it's place, but abusing it to fail dogs and to be eligible for funding is abhorent.

I agree with you about the no-kill shelters falsly claiming to be no-kill - that would definately be mis-using a temperment tests. We have few no kill shelters and those that are, are that way because they are very selective about what they take in; or they are hoarders; or, they q uietly dump the "problem" animals in the county pounds.

The other thing that bothers me though, is why get upset at using the fake hand to test for resource guarding? We've done that with some dogs (I'd rather not get bit if I have any doubts). I think it's important to know how far a dog can be pushed (and how much warning, if any) he will give of his intentions. I'm always extremely uncomfortable placing adult dogs with unknown backgrounds in homes with small children because accidents can happen, people get careless - it doesn't mattter what, but in our litigous society, the dog will lose it's life. I think the resource guarding test can reveal a lot about the dog and help us make a responsible placement (if indeed we choose to place it). I would rather know prior to adoption how far a particular dog can be pushed before engaging so I can make sure that dog will be placed in a home that can deal with that. But, to be honest - if a dog showed extreme resource guarding, or no bite inhibition, I do not think I would adopt it out.

[Guest Anonymous]

The problem is not with using the hand in a reasonable manner. It is the aggressive use of the hand. Every dog I'm sorry to say has a breaking point. That point may be lowered by the stressful shelter environment or it may not be.

In 3 years of working with shelter rescues I have never had a dog bite. Period end of story. I have also never used a "asses a hand" or SS's extreme brand of TT. If you read my earlier post you will see I have a house hold full of dogs who would have failed her test. Guess what they live with kids. 4 kids to be exact...ranging in age from 11 years down to 18 months. None of my children have been bitten by any of my dogs. None of my children have sustained more than a scratch from one of them...well AJ did bump his head when Beaux once again forgot where his rear end was and wiggled it to hard.

The point being that her test is to the extreme.

I wish I hadn't lost the copy of her book I had. Maybe I can find it tonight.

[Guest Anonymous]

Aussies - I think we all agree that the plastic hand IS a good thing and that resourse garding tests SHOULD be made before a dog is adopted out. That is not what people have a problem with here. The problem is with Sue, and the WAY she tests these dogs, by constantly prodding them over and over again with the stupid hand, basiclly instigating a fight with the dog, trying to make it attack, so that when the dog finally does get really irritated and reacts, she has the dog Put To Sleep :o

[__crazy_canine__]

Personally I dont like most shelters. I know they are trying their best to do what they can for the animals but a lot of them could do better than what they are doing. I wish all shelters were no-kill and work with dogs to solve their problems instead of using death as the answer. I feel that the dog should be given a chance at training first before they PTS the dog. Overpopulation has causes shelters to PTS and I guess unless shelters get more money sometime soon then its neccesary. ( :cry: :evil: ) I wish there was another way.

So the hand is "good" when in the right hands, but I dont think they need it. Most of the time the dogs tested are tied up or in a small room so that could cause them to react in a protective way. Someone said this before but I dont feel like checking who (Im lazy :wink: ) but they said something like you dont need to use the hand, anyone can see by the dogs stance, sounds, and facial features that theyre going to defend their food. I agree with that. I dont have anything against using that (except that it came from the mind of an evil woman! :lol: ) but I still dont think you always need it.

Straydog, the no-kill shelter where I volunteer, doesnt test their dogs but instead they work with them everyday to see what their personalities are like. Children of the workers there often come by both young and older so we can see how the dogs react. All of the dogs are fed seperately (except for a few who have proven for years and years that they can eat together) and at feeding time they can tell which dogs are food aggressive. Also at Adoption Days sometimes the dogs are given bones and we can definately tell who is food aggressive, like Louise the Akita/Chow mix. (Shes REALLY food aggressive! I mean REALLY!!!)

They have NEVER PTS a dog because it was aggressive or shy. The dogs will probably never be adopted but they have a forever-home at Straydog. I think kill shelters should try to contact rescues and other shelters for dogs that are soon to be PTS and try to give the dogs a chance. I dont know if they do that already but it would be such a great thing. I know some rescuers go to shelters and get the dogs near death but I dont think shelters contact others about it.

*sigh* Why does everything have to be so complicated in the world?!? I wish pit bulls didnt have problems, I wish no animal would be put to death unless they were in deep pain, and no dog was aggressive. I wish so many things but damn it all, its never gonna happen! :roll: :(

[courtnek]

The big problem for the shelters IS lack of money. Most of them rely on private donations from the public. and they use the money from the adoption fees to help keep the shelters running. That is why I donate old clothes, sheets, blankets, foam bedding, pillows, etc to them. Old sweaters make good bedding, and old t-shirts make great shop rags. They exist on these things. Most honestly do the best they can. There are NO government funded shelters in my area, and few, if any, that I know about in the US. Maybe some of the Humane Societies get some funding, but I'm not sure about that at all. They are in a tough spot, doing a tough job.

[__crazy_canine__]

I tell ya if I ever win the lottery, I will donate half of it to shelters around here. I know moneys a problem for shelters and I wish it weren't, Im sure all of us do.

I dont think those tests should be a dogs cause of death though. NOR do I think its the answer.

Sue sounds like an idiot to be using the hand so meanly and actually MAKING the dog react. Why would she want to do so though? Does she just want to make more room for "better" dogs at the shelter, or what? I dont get it.

[courtnek]

she's trying to "sell" herself, Crazy. She wants fame much more than she wants good homes for these dogs. She wants attention. fame and money.
she is using her so-called "tests" on these dogs as a means to an end.

the tests themselves are ok. In a pinch, a plastic hand is better than being bitten to test for food aggression. In most cases, one or two tries will tell you if the dog is going to react badly. even then, alot of those dogs can be
"weaned" from food aggression over time, once they no longer fear they will starve. and once they accept their new owner as alpha. but as with any fear training, it takes time. SHE would have put Laurel down. MY foxhound!! because she barks/bays/growls at men. this is fear, not aggression, and she runs for it most of the time. scrabbles out of the way in fact, when she's scared. I have her toned down to better levels, but its taken a year. SUE wouldnt have given her that long. she would be dead now if in Sue's hands.

[pLaurent]

SUE wouldnt have given her that long. she would be dead now if in Sue's hands.

I think many of us have, or have had, dogs who wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes unders SS's "torture test." I know my last dog wouldn't have, yet we managed to keep him for 10 years.

Of course it's necessay to test shelter dogs, but SS seems determined that they will fail.

[imported_Debbie]

:evil: Sue Sternberg is a fame hungry, idiot, who knows little to nothing about dog behavior...... :x
She all but goaded that Cocker into aggression, and then of all the gall she takes the poor thing to McD's !!! All that was, was a big act to put on in front of America !!! Oh, look I'm taking the vicious man attacking beast for a last supper, aren't I nice :roll: ...........GIVE ME A BREAK !!!!! :-?