Guest Anonymous Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 They think Labradoodles are a real breed! :o :o :o Their friend's just got one from a "reputable" breeder in Australia and I told them they were just mixes but they don't believe me! Know they are both like "oh they are such great dogs" and stuff! Will you please post why they aren't? Uugh.... Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Ooops....I didn't see those. :oops: thanks! Quote
cheekymunkee Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 You could also tell your parents that if they want to purchase a mutt, they would be better served by going to their local shelter & shopping for a dog there. If ???doodle or Labr.... ARE purebred dogs then so is every dog you will encounter in the shelter. That is ALL these dogs are, mutts, they are not a pure breed in any shape or form. NO reputable registry recognizes them & it is rather silly to spend hundreds of dollars on a mix breed dog. JMO. Debby Quote
courtnek Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 not exactly true Cheeky. There are som purebred dogs at shelters, given up for varius reasons, but they are purebreds. My Foxhound is purebred. I got her from a rescue society, tied to a "shelter". Quote
cheekymunkee Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 courtnek napisał(a):not exactly true Cheeky. There are som purebred dogs at shelters, given up for varius reasons, but they are purebreds. My Foxhound is purebred. I got her from a rescue society, tied to a "shelter". Ooops, I meant to word that towards the Labradoodles, not the shelter dogs. :oops: Debby Quote
Cairn6 Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Now if you should run into a Labradoodle at a shelter I am sure these are good dogs but it's the buying them from these designer breeders that the problem is. If you buy from them it encourages them to continue to breed when there is such a horrible overpopulation problem. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Thanks for all the help you guys! :lol: We weren't going to buy a dog anytime soon because we already have two, but they were thinking about maybe getting one as the next breed they own. After showing them the information they decided they wouldn't buy one! Thanks so much! Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Ok, please do not chew my head off for this, but I just want to make a couple statements. Not everyone buys there dog from rescues/ shelters, so why does it matter what kind of dog/ mix you buy if you don't get one from a shelter? I am not saying that people shouldn't buy from a shelter, BUT some people don't want to for whatever reason ( I disagree but you can't make someone do something they dont want to....) Also, what makes us choose what kind of dog we want? Its personality, and looks... whether we want to admit it or not, we judge dogs by their looks. So, if this "look" is what someone is looking for, and they want to spend alot of money on it, then I just wonder " who are we to say how they should/ shouldn't spend their money??". I don't see how they are any different from anyone else who doesn't adopt from a shelter ?? Sorry if I upset anyone, but I donot agree with the majority on this issue. I feel that we live in a free country, and can do / purchase whatever we please. It a labradoodle/ goldendoodle, etc, etc is what someone really, really wants, why shouldn't they be able to own one?? ( and just for the record, I do not think they are a breed, I am simply talking about purchasing them... I realize they are a cross... ( I think mutt doesn't sound very good....) JMO Kara Quote
cheekymunkee Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Basically because buying one of these dogs is supporting BYBing. None of them ( that I have seen) are health tested, none of them have any titles ( since there is no reputable registry that will acknowledge them) You don't have to buy a dog from a shelter, no one is saying that, but buy playing into this sort of thing you are encouraging BYBing, just as if you bought a purebred dog of another breed. If you create a market for them it will continue, just like with all the BYB pit bull breeders, lab breeders, GSD breeders & so on. Sorry, I use the word mutt alot, my Ollie dog is a mutt & she doesn't seem to mind. :wink: Debby Quote
Taurus and Jada Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Basically because buying one of these dogs is supporting BYBing. None of them ( that I have seen) are health tested, none of them have any titles ( since there is no reputable registry that will acknowledge them) that is not true, because my parents have a golden doodle, and the breeder has all her dogs health tested, and guarentees all of her puppies. My parents got a goldendoodle, because my mother fell in love with one, and she had her heart set on getting one. They also have a husky. Does that mean she is a bad person because she wanted something that wasn't available in a shelter? I do not think so.... Quote
cheekymunkee Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 DId I say any where in my post that made any one a bad person becasue they like to pay outrageous sums of money for mix breed dogs? Nope. Debby Quote
Taurus and Jada Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Oh no, Cheeky, I wasn't refering to you. I just get that overall feeling about the whole debate, on any board... not just this one. I was not, or did not imply that you had said that..... Its not just this board that this debate is happening, as Im sure you know. The fanciers of this "dog" will argue till there blue in the face, as will the people who are against them. I honestly do not think many opinions are changed on an internet forum .... JMO. Maybe they are, but I doubt it. People feel strongly about somethings, and no matter what I write, you write, or someone else writes, will change them. Perhaps it makes people think about things twice, but I doubt if someone feels so strongly towards one thing, that anything someone types to them will change that feeling. I honestly would never own a "doodle" however, I was just trying to perhaps tell both sides of the story.... as only people who were against these types of dogs had posted..... Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Sorry....I didn't mean for this to turn into a fight. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Ok :oops: Sorry, I'm a little out of it today....I slept for like one hour last night... Quote
courtnek Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 if someone wants one of these dogs, I dont have a problem with it. I hope they have the common sense to NOT pay a "designer" price for it, because that encourages these people to keep doing it. I dont expect everyone to adopt from shelters, but I would hope they dont encourage these "breeders" to continue to do so by paying the (usually way too high) asking price. Quote
Taurus and Jada Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 :D nope, no fighting... just talking amongst rational adults.... ( I don't want to start a war with anyone here and start a 49 page match.. lol) *wink* if you know what I mean..... I like it here, I actually forgot about this board for a while, but now Im back, and i like hearing all the advice/ comments from owners of multiple breeds, not just the ones I own ( which is all I get on alot of the other boards I go to...) Quote
cheekymunkee Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 I tend to post just like I talk (without all the rambling.... sometimes, the mumbling & the lost trains of thought.... again, sometimes and you have to remember that Texas accent when you read my posts...it helps) and I guess I come across like I am arguing when in reality, I'm just talking. :wink: :wink: Debby Quote
courtnek Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 WOO HOO!! IT;S **NOT** JUST ME!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote
Cairn6 Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 I do hope everyone would adopt from shelters or a responsible breeder if you can find one. There is not a breed out there that doesn't show up in the shelters eventually and buying from petstores and back yard breeders is just encouraging irresponsible breeding. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 I just want to say: 1st, our purebred dogs are fairly new, they have not been around for that long. All of our purebreds started out from mongrels, mongrel or races of dogs are the orginal dogs and the forefather of all of our purebreds. They created one purebred, then created others by crossbreeding. You look at a purebred and where it orginated from, it will always list the breeds used to make this purebred. For example the Doberman has Rottie, German pinscher so on and so on in it. The Dobie is not just a cross breed it has multiple purebreds in its lineage to make it the dog it is today. I have seen more dogs abused which are owned by "reputable breeders" than any thing else. I have seen reputable breeders who keep ALOT of dogs in their kennels, the dogs life revolves around going to shows, barely any interaction with humans except for grooming time etc. I also have never seen a poor reputable breeder. They are making money off pups and stud fees. Don't kid your self on that one. As for designer dogs, they probably will be classified as a breed soon. It only takes a couple of generations for a crossbred to be considered a purebred. So what is the big deal? I deal with more purebred which have had all of their health clearances done produce more unhealthy pups than I have seen crossbreeds turn out unhealthy pups. There are alot of purebred breeders who are not very nice in their breeding practices. I also think that there are some purebreds which I would consider freaks of nature, I would consider any one who purposely breeds dogs with squashed in faces, narrow hips etc. to be unscupelous and inhumane breeders. This I consider worse than any designer dogs. In my opinion I think that with our purebreds we should crossbred every once in awhile to keep new blood in the gene pool. With dobies a Rottie should be thrown into the breeding every once in awhile. We could probably solve alot of genetic problems with our dogs by doing this. I personally think its sick to keep a dog in a purebred. Its not natural and very very unhealthy. Thank goodness people are crossbreeding poo dogs and probably making for a healthier generation of dogs. Purebred breeding is ruining our dogs. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 They created one purebred, then created others by crossbreeding. That sounds horrible. :lol: I meant to say that purebred dogs are man made, created by man. Our mongrels (the orginal dogs) evolved naturally without mans assistance. We have all kinds of purebred mongrels in our world today. These mongrels do not have a speck of purebred dog in them at all. Quote
Cairn6 Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Purebred or not purebred is not the point. The point is that we have an overpopulation problem so by buying a dog instead of adopting a dog you are contributing to the overpopulation problem by encouraging back yard breeders. I have nothing against mixes they are fine dogs and plenty of those fine dogs are waiting for you at your local shelter or rescue along with a lot of those purebreds. Quote
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