The American Pit Bull Terrier

[Guest Anonymous]

Did that get your attention?
Okay good... now keep reading...

Alright, I've been debating leaving dogo for some time now because I am sick of the fighting. Does anyone watch Will And Grace? That one episode where they get the cute little lab puppy, and Jack is watching him, and Will and Grace get back from the movies and are arguing, about the puppy, and Jack holds up the puppy and says in a little accent "Please stop the fighting" I SERIOUSLY FEEL LIKE DOING THAT!!

I read the "murdously aggressive pit bull" topic up to page 17 today, start at about 3 or 4 (which is where I'd left off before Exams). I didn't get to finish reading it because something had been brought to my attention... people in that thread have been arguing about BSL and the Pit Bull rap, and how something needs to be done very soon or there will be no bullies left... so why are you all arguing? is my question.

SHUT UP, GET UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!

You are all lovers of this wonderful breed, so why are you arguing? I agree that there are a few people on that topic whom got under my skin (some of you know who most of all, but I won' t mention who in fear of another argument :lol: :lol: )

SO.

The point of this post is, what can you do, and ARE you doing to help this breed?
Any suggestions to me are welcome as well. I'd started a page about the missunderstood breed on my website, but have yet to finish it because I've been having problems with the surver and well you see, I have this thing... where I'm lazy when I come online... and I just can't seem to get around that. :wink:

A Few of us here at dogo have started a little "flyer" thing, making different flyers, in our many different places about many different things. I'm working on one about the Pet Store puppy and Puppy Mills right now, which is still being drafted. :P So why not start that? Everyone pitch in to make flyers about the good AND the bad of this wonderful breed. ABout the misunderstood qualities of the breed, and what it takes to own one so that maybe, just maybe, unedcuated Joe Blow will decide to NOT get a APBT just because he wants one, once he reads all the work that goes into them, and what can happen if that work isn't done.

There's one of my suggestions, anything else is totally welcome!

Come on guys! Lets STOP THE FIGHTING and put our heads together to figure something out we can all do, all over the world to HELP this wonderful breed! Would be a little more prodcutive then sitting on our asses arguing about it and posting "he said she said" crap don't you think? 8)

[corgilady]

Hello sweetie! Great idea!

And on your thread, may I add there is this gorgeous "American Staffordshire Terrier" for adoption, does anyone here help with rescue, or just argue?





Somebody needs to help this darling boy find a home!!!!!

[Cairn6]

You know what I wish could be done that every single person that wants to own a dog would have to be licensed. We license our dogs but what about us. We should have to go through a training program to make sure we understand dog behavior and what they need from us. Included in that should be what happens to dog when people just use them and throw them away. We wouldn't get so many people who just want the cute little puppy and then when they get too big get rid of the dog. They need to understand the responsiblities of owning whatever breed they want. A pit bull is a responsibility that I don't think everyone understands. Just the prejudice alone is tough. What about not being able to move where you might want too and get insurance. I'd be willing to go through the licensing process so that everyone else would have too.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='corgilady']Hello sweetie! Great idea!

And on your thread, may I add there is this gorgeous "American Staffordshire Terrier" for adoption, does anyone here help with rescue, or just argue?





Somebody needs to help this darling boy find a home!!!!!

NOOO Don't say that!! :cry: :cry: I am the HUGEST AmStaff fan and I want one SOOO bad, and would have been able to get one next year, but someone talked me into getting a car with my money this summer instead :lol: :lol: :wink: So then I can TAKE THE NEW PUPPY TO PLACES! :lol: :wink: Oh god, I want!! :cry:

Cairn6 - I agree 100%! And I KNOW for a fact many others here do too, cuz I've heard it said many times. Now how about we figure out how to turn that wish true? :P Is there anyone government wise who could be contacted? Start a petition or something? That way this could be done, instead of BSL! :D

[Guest Anonymous]

Hazel...don't do this in other posts because (not mentioning any names)..people are gonna tell you to mind your own business and not read the posts...and THEN bring up the mistakes from your past just because you tried to tell everyone to shut up and stop fighting so much..just to make themselves look saintly... :roll:

However..I congratulate you on being damn smart about this because I agree... :)

too much whinniness and complainy ranting..and not enough helpfullness and understanding..that's what I see...

[Guest Anonymous]

pitbulletta napisał(a):

Hazel...don't do this in other posts because (not mentioning any names)..people are gonna tell you to mind your own business and not read the posts...and THEN bring up the mistakes from your past just because you tried to tell everyone to shut up and stop fighting so much..just to make themselves look saintly... :roll:

I'm a little confused... but quite frankly if anyone tries to start trouble just because I'm trying to be reasonable and get people together to DO something about what they're bitching about, then they can suck my big toe :wink: :P Cuz this is my last chance here at Dogo (for dogo that is) because if this turns into a big fight that's pointless, I'm gone. Forever, came back to see if I could help out a bit that's all, at least if I end up leaving I can leave knowing I tried :wink:

pitbulletta napisał(a):

However..I congratulate you on being d*** smart about this because I agree... :)

too much whinniness and complainy ranting..and not enough helpfullness and understanding..that's what I see...

Thanks! :P

Now what's your input on the what I've stated above, PBL? :D

[kendalyn]

I do what I can. I educate people all the time if they're mistaken about something dog related. I help out with the rescues and I own one myself. I encourage anyone interested in getting a dog to visit petfinder.com and a few other local rescue's websites first. I've also helped others train their own unruly dog.

You won't see me putting up signs though. People ignore signs. I especially ignore them if I don't know the credibility of where they came from. I'd much rather talk to someone personally so I can at least sound intelligent and informed. So that's what I do.

You know what I wish could be done that every single person that wants to own a dog would have to be licensed

I'm most certainly against anything that gives the government any more power than it already has. The only way to effect real change with this is to do it through social means, not governmental. How many government run agencies can you name that don't screw everything up?

Debate is a good thing. If a particular thread is bothering you, don't read it. I guess it sounds harsh, but it makes sense.

[Taurus and Jada]

Why not start with this thread! Everyone can post some information they would think would make sense to add to a letter. We could have points about

• The Pits General Temperment
• Who should/ Should not Own a PitBull
• The tests from the ATTS showing the APBT ranks fourth highest I beleive
• Studies that show BSL does not work
• Studies that show APBT are not the highest % of bites
• How easily the Pitbull can be mistaken for another breed

Then we could draft up a letter ( I might not be too good at this one... English , as Im sure you can tell is not my best subject ) which could be sent out the local MP's, etc.

Just a thought?

[Taurus and Jada]

American PitBull Terrier 83.9 % passes
American Staffordshire Terrier 83.2%
German Shepard 82.6%
Staffordshire Bull Terrier 83.6%
Presa Canario 90.0%
Dogo Argentino 88.9%

ATTS societies results on some of the more picked on bully breeds...

[Taurus and Jada]

http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.com/Truth03/StopBSL.htm

this site is also a good one on BSL and why it doesn't work...

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='kendalyn']I do what I can. I educate people all the time if they're mistaken about something dog related. I help out with the rescues and I own one myself. I encourage anyone interested in getting a dog to visit petfinder.com and a few other local rescue's websites first. I've also helped others train their own unruly dog.

You won't see me putting up signs though. People ignore signs. I especially ignore them if I don't know the credibility of where they came from. I'd much rather talk to someone personally so I can at least sound intelligent and informed. So that's what I do.

You know what I wish could be done that every single person that wants to own a dog would have to be licensed

I'm most certainly against anything that gives the government any more power than it already has. The only way to effect real change with this is to do it through social means, not governmental. How many government run agencies can you name that don't screw everything up?

Debate is a good thing. If a particular thread is bothering you, don't read it. I guess it sounds harsh, but it makes sense.

Kendayln, I see where your comming from, but let's face it, the Gov. rules us really. And if they want to ban breeds, they will. But wouldn't you rather people be licenced to have a dog than SO many dogs end up in shelters, dead, and abused? Rather then now even being ALLOWED to own a certain breed, you have to take a test first to be qualified to do so! People who wouldn't be willing to take the test, aren't worthy to have a dog in my opinion.
That's good you talk to people though! We need more who will!
But there are only so many people who you can affect by talking, unless you travel everywhere giving seminars, but not everyone's going to come to listen, probably only people who already know about the breed!
I read signs! I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one! If you know where to put the signs, people will read them. You have to put them in places where people will be standing around, in line ups, or on bulleton boards that have puppies for sale on there.

Debates are good... when they are under control, which MANY I have read on dogo aren't. And it's REALLY hard to read any good topics lately without having to read a debate :drinking: I stopped reading that one thread because it was the same crap being posted over and over agian, it was getting really stupid. That's just My Opinion though!

Taurus and Jada - Sounds good to me!
What's ATTS though? :oops:

[cheekymunkee]

pitbulletta napisał(a):

Hazel...don't do this in other posts because (not mentioning any names)..people are gonna tell you to mind your own business and not read the posts...and THEN bring up the mistakes from your past just because you tried to tell everyone to shut up and stop fighting so much..just to make themselves look saintly... :roll:

However..I congratulate you on being d*** smart about this because I agree... :)

too much whinniness and complainy ranting..and not enough helpfullness and understanding..that's what I see...

Grow up child. Go away, your momma's calling you.

Hazel-
I try to educate everyone I come across about pit bulls and their ownership. I try to to dispell any untruths I come across. I try to talk people OUT of owning the breed unless they can be responsible 24/7. I don't deal DIRECTLY with BSL since it is not in my state but I do as much as I can to fight it in other states. Whether it be phone calls, faxes, letters, emails to mayors, city council people, newpaper editors, what ever & who ever needs to hear the TRUTH about the breed. I show my dogs as GOOD representives of the breed to who ever I can, neighbors, co-workers, friends. Beleive me, there are ALOT of people fighting the good fight, sometimes they suceed, sometimes they don't but it's not from lack of trying.

Debby

[courtnek]

I agree with some and not all of this. I dont agree with giving the GOVT more power, and never will. But I do think the shelters, the breeders, and
the sellers, should voluntarily require tests, and "matches" for people who want to adopt dogs that the govt considers "dangerous". It should NOT be necessary, but to save these dogs and find them the best homes,. it should be done IMO. It does not have to be invasive, just a simple form to be filled out that someone with knowledge has to go over to approve the dog for that adoption. I had to do it to get Laurel. I did NOT object. I know they were trying to avoid her being returned AGAIN. They were more questioning in her adoption, because previous adopters found her not to their tastes. after filling out the form. when I adopted her, I had to fill it out and answer questions. "she bays! have you ever heard it it before?"
"it's annoying..." "she is afraid of people, are you willing to take her out and socialze her with strangers?" "she needs to RUN!" "can you provide the means for that?"... (MAN! does she RUN!!!) apparently they didnt do that before, with her, because she was really afraid of people, and bays loudly and continuously, when she is afraid....she needed more work than most. They made sure they found someone who would do it, and report progress. I think, in a modified form, this should be done for adoptions,. for sales, to adopt/buy a dog at all. Where is the education going to come from if the sellers/adopters/shelters dont do it?

just my take, for the good of the dogs...

[kendalyn]

But wouldn't you rather people be licenced to have a dog than SO many dogs end up in shelters, dead, and abused? Rather then now even being ALLOWED to own a certain breed, you have to take a test first to be qualified to do so!

No I wouldn't actually. Because it wouldn't work. The government can't educate our children reliably. It can't even assess our taxes correctly. It certainly does not have the resources to take on any more burdens. Government needs to be downsized, not super sized. The only thing worse than having to ask the government if I can own a dog, would be the government telling me no I cannot.

And if you want to open the door to BSL, this would be one great way to do it. I can just see it now. "No, you're not qualified to own a pit bull (in reality nobody would be) why don't you go pick out a nice Golden Retriever." Once you open that door, you can't close it.

[Guest Anonymous]

cheekymunkee :) you are a very mature pit bull goddess....and I am sorry..I will go run to my mommy now..lol

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

that's all I have to say to you.. *waves*





Hazel ...I don't think you should leave..never give people the satisfaction of knowing that they may have gotten to you...just relax and have fun...there are alot of people in here who really appreciate your advice :) me being one of them..and you're friendly and sweet so...if anything I beg you to stay so that we can have more instead of less people like you..lol

[Guest Anonymous]

Oh..and cheeky..you have too much time on your hands *looked at the 02940294 messages you posted to make the total count 30 something pages*..lol too much time *points at watch*...don't you have anything else to do? LMAO and yes I never looked at any links you gave me after you decided to call me immature/amateur/stupid/not fit to own a pit bull/etc...why should I when other people did it without any of the crap you added and in a friendly and calm manner? Maybe you need some prozzzaaakkk...coo coo..coo coo...

But like I said...and like Hazelnutmeg said...I'm sick of fighting and especially ESPECCIIAALLY with people like you..it wastes EVERYBODY'S time..and alot of space on here...for crying out loud your post was 1 page long..they had to LOCK it because of you..lol..look how much room you take up..:P greedy pig LMAO

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :evilbat:

[Guest Anonymous]

*post edited for content by Mei-Mei*

[courtnek]

Oh I wish I were an Oscar Meyer Wiener, that is what I truly want to beeeeeeeeee.....cuz if I was an Oscar Meyer Wiener, everyone would be in love with me!!!

c'mon guys. get over it. good job Mei. we CAN get along, if we all try...
disagreements are ok, acceptable, but abuse is not. yes its annoying having someone attack you. I know that feeling. but if you try (and I have had to TRY alot, believeme) we can rise above it.


If **I** can do it, all of you can....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Guest Anonymous]

Sooo...did anybody end up calling or writting in to Allstate insurance to see why they're banning certain breeds?

[Cairn6]

[quote name='kendalyn']

But wouldn't you rather people be licenced to have a dog than SO many dogs end up in shelters, dead, and abused? Rather then now even being ALLOWED to own a certain breed, you have to take a test first to be qualified to do so!

No I wouldn't actually. Because it wouldn't work. The government can't educate our children reliably. It can't even assess our taxes correctly. It certainly does not have the resources to take on any more burdens. Government needs to be downsized, not super sized. The only thing worse than having to ask the government if I can own a dog, would be the government telling me no I cannot.

And if you want to open the door to BSL, this would be one great way to do it. I can just see it now. "No, you're not qualified to own a pit bull (in reality nobody would be) why don't you go pick out a nice Golden Retriever." Once you open that door, you can't close it.

And as far as the government don't you see they are already in charge and they are trying to take our right to own what dog we want away already. We wouldn't be given them control they already have it. What we would be doing is figuring out a solution to get what we want and what is best for the dogs. But as was said before getting the ball rolling is the hardest part.

[cheekymunkee]

The existing laws are SELDOM enforced so why make more that will get us no where. I don't trust my government enough to give them any more power over me than they already have. Our civil rights are disappearing fast enough as it is.



" But wouldn't you rather people be licenced to have a dog than SO many dogs end up in shelters, dead, and abused? Rather then now even being ALLOWED to own a certain breed, you have to take a test first to be qualified to do so!"

This will become a form of BSL & before you know it we will all be owning pet rocks for dogs.

But as was said before getting the ball rolling is the hardest part.

That and getting eveyone to agree on what will be fair for ALL breeds & their owners.

Debby

[Guest Anonymous]

Well THANK YOU Mei Mei :D :angel: I feel so special now :oops: As for people who started arguing in my topic about not arguing... :-? :roll: :roll:

ANYWAY... back to topic...

See, I'm 17 (well, will be in less then a month :D ) and I have never learned anything about the Gov. because I have not experienced it first hand. I knew they kina sucked :lol: But I didn't quite know what they do... I guess it's a matter of what they aren't doing :-?
But now that it's explained that a licence thing would turn into a type of BSL I see what you mean...

All in all, it would probably be like getting your drivers licence. You may know the stuff, and take a test that proves you do, and pass at *80%* but it doesn't mean that your a good driver. I know PLENTY of people who shouldn't be driving. Just last week I was in Jared's truck and he was pulling out and this Jerk backed up almost RIGHT into him, sped around and almost crashed into Meghan's car who was also backing out and had to slam on the breaks. Jared tried to pull out the drive and this jerk sped right out in front and out on to the road :evil: :evil: I was SO mad cuz I've been in an accident before so it really scared me, but boy was Jared hopping mad.
The point to my storry, a person could do their research and know what their supose to do to own a dog, take the test, get the dog, and not do anything he/she said they would :-? Plus, like those said, they would just say we can't have bullies :-? Which I don't want!! :o

Mei - pettition??? :oops: I've been not here really for a while, can you give me a link? I'm not even sure where to look!

Can someone still answer me as to what ATTS is? :oops:

[Cairn6]

True they could fake it but then they could never claim they didn't know how to care for their dog. Stiffer laws for animal abuse would be nice too. Right now they aren't getting any education at all when it's so easy to just go buy a dog from anyone who happens to be selling one.

[Guest Anonymous]

Thanks Mei!

[Sarahstaff]

The question of what to do about the problems of the APBT is a complex one, and I don't think there is an easy answer. I really don't believe that legislation will help, as well as the dangers inherent in handing our rights off to lawmakers.

The main thing I do personally is to try to improve the image of the bull breeds. At one time, someone on one of our Staffy lists stated that the best way to help fight BSL was to have a webpage for your dog. I don't agree with that, but I thought it couldn't hurt, hence my website. (Elmoworld)

I also get my dogs out in public and talk to people, and I compete in performance events with my dogs. Of course, I do that mainly because I enjoy it, and that's why I started in dog sport, but once I saw the PR possibilities, it has been a real motivator for me. Especially at agility trials, where there are often uninvolved spectators, for them to see a "pit bull" (they don't usually know the difference between that and a Staffie) running the course, off-leash but happy and reasonably in control, it makes an impact.

I never try to delude anyone into thinking these are easy breeds to own, in fact, I usually discourage people from looking for one. But if their image can be remade from "tough dog du jour" into "sweet family pet", the lowlifes won't want them anymore.