Horsefeathers! Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 Here is a little fodder just because I'm not really ashamed to be "real" and not pretend to be the perfect dog owner (disclaimer: not claiming anyone else does). I think sometimes people are afraid to post some real life situations because they are afraid of being ridiculed for not always making the right decision, even though sometimes the "right" decision is only apparent AFTER the fact. We're all only human and to be honest, sometimes doo doo happens. Here is my "what was I thinking" story du jour. This is bound to stir controversy and get me flamed, shot at and *yawn* stuff, but here goes, anyhoo... I left two of my dogs at work overnight last night (first mistake). They've gone with me nearly every day of their lives for the last five years, so it's not a new place for them. They'd been pottied and fed last night before I left and I would be back in the morning. My workspace is MY space... I pay rent for it; it's not part of the vet clinic's business. No one has any business in there messing with anything. I got there this morning expecting to get my girls and let them out and feed them. I walked in to find a huge mess. A broken bowl in the floor, my dogs not where I left them. I've gotten varying accounts of what happened, but the truth is that I'll probably really never know. I was told that one of the techs went back there this morning and found one of my dogs sitting in the kennel with the door open. Alllllllllrighty then. He moved her and the other dog to an outside kennel so they could potty (second mistake). Now, Missy is not a friendly dog. That said, she will tolerate most anyone at that clinic just fine. She's not blatantly aggressive and doesn't lunge and snarl at people. She just prefers to be left alone. There is ONE guy at the clinic she hates and to be honest, so do I. This guy is bad news (some of you have heard me complain about him before). I believe he is antagonistic with animals if not outright abusive. He always thinks "ya gotta show 'em who's boss 'n stuff" and "don't take no sh*t from no dawg." That kind of guy. So anyway, apparently Stoopit Dude decides to go retrieve Missy from the outside kennels and put her back and I reckon I was to never know the difference. The explicit instructions were to just leave them alone until I got there. No, that was too simple for him. Somehow he attempted to get Missy out of the kennel. She bolted past him and into the courtyard. The gate was shut, thank doG! If it had been left open, I'm afraid Missy would be gone. ANY other person in that clinic can handle Missy with no problem. She just hates THIS guy... the ONE guy bound and determined to screw with her. Well, he finally cornered her (next mistake) and, from what I understand, all but sprung on her to pick her up. She nailed him in his hand. Got him good. Here's what bothers me about it from here on out. Like I've said, this guy believes in "take no sh*t" from any animal. He antagonizes them if they are only looking worried or like they *might* growl through their kennels. I believe he probably brutalized my dog once she bit him. When I found her this morning, she was cowering in the back of a kennel covered in urine and feces. There is NO way she would make this kind of mess just staying overnight. She's been there a million times and stayed overnight and it's like a second home to her. He did something to her. Now... I'm all for defending oneself against being bitten. We've been covering that here recently. However, what are your views when a supposed adult gets bitten for being (what's the word I'm looking for here...) STOOPIT? He is the ONLY person there that this dog can't stand and he HAD to make it a point to jack with her. Leaving my girls over night is a debatable topic alone (I'm waiting for the obligatory "I would NEVER board my dogs away from home! *gasp*"... the fact is that *I* do). Still, I'm really beyond p*ssed that I can't leave my own dogs on what is basically my own property (by way of rent) without someone messing with them. I have to admit that I'm glad she at least got one good bite in (his hand was all taped up today). He deserved it. And then had the nerve to tell me today... "don't be mad at her... she was just defending herself..." Jackass. I wasn't mad at HER. :evil: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 HF I'm totally on your side and agree, and sure I would feel the same way in your situation. That guy DID deserve it! If your a jacka$$ and treat animals like that, the Three Fold Law tells us that he WILL get it back in return. I'm even upset that you found your dog cowering like that :( Made me so sad, shocked, and angry, I tell ya, if it were me, I wouldn't be able to control myself. I'd be all over that guy in a second. :evil: :evil: I'm sorry that had to happen, what a complete JERK :evil: :drinking: That is really sad when you can't even keep your own dogs in your office which you rent without someone messing with them :-? That guy should DEFFENTLY be fired!! Quote
cheekymunkee Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 It sounds to me like he deserved it! He knows this dog right? He knows this is not a friendly dog but yet he chose to go into a place he has no business and deal with a dog who does not like him and has been told to leave alone. How did the bowl get broken? While I am NO fan of biting dogs of ANY breed I can understand a dog defending itself. I would be PISSED!! Do the vets know about this guys attitude? Why are they continuing to let this guy work there if they do? If I found out a vet tech at MY vet's office treated my dog unkindly there would be hell to pay, they should thank their lucky stars I"M not a customer there!! :agrue: Debby Quote
courtnek Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 HF dont worry. or feel bad. I have read your previous posts on thIs guy. he's bad news. If she bit him , good for her. Some people deserve to be taught the hard way. They appear to be too stupid to learn ANY OTHER WAY... :evilbat: Quote
Shenanigans Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 My dogs have never landed an intentional bite. My Newfoundland barely has a defensive bone in his body let alone offensive. My GSD however did confront an abusive exboyfriend of mine eight/nine years ago (it seems a lifetime ago). I had my GSD offlead at a dogpark which is absolutely huge. He was eating grass and sniffing around a good 100 feet away. The park was empty other than us and a few joggers and lo and behold my ex comes along, totally by fluke, but nevertheless he felt the need to exert some control over me. He came up and without so much a word grabbed my arm and tried to smack me. I yelled at him and was squirming and really not even thinking of my GSD at the time, however next thing I heard was my dog roaring and charging much like you'd see a lion coming in from the kill. Ex boyfriend backs off, my GSD places himself squarely in front of me and is advancing, I grab my GSD and attach his leash at which point he is at the end barking, growling being a very scary version of my dog. I tell exboyfriend to back off in not so polite terms or I'll loose my dog. He looks increduously at both of us and walks away. When he gets well out of sight, I basically collapse on the ground and my GSD washed away my tears. I never did see that exboyfriend again. Now that I'm a lot stronger and pissier, I would have loved for my GSD to see to it that that man was a castrati, but you can't turn back time. :wink: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 [quote name='Shenanigans']My dogs have never landed an intentional bite. My Newfoundland barely has a defensive bone in his body let alone offensive. My GSD however did confront an abusive exboyfriend of mine eight/nine years ago (it seems a lifetime ago). I had my GSD offlead at a dogpark which is absolutely huge. He was eating grass and sniffing around a good 100 feet away. The park was empty other than us and a few joggers and lo and behold my ex comes along, totally by fluke, but nevertheless he felt the need to exert some control over me. He came up and without so much a word grabbed my arm and tried to smack me. I yelled at him and was squirming and really not even thinking of my GSD at the time, however next thing I heard was my dog roaring and charging much like you'd see a lion coming in from the kill. Ex boyfriend backs off, my GSD places himself squarely in front of me and is advancing, I grab my GSD and attach his leash at which point he is at the end barking, growling being a very scary version of my dog. I tell exboyfriend to back off in not so polite terms or I'll loose my dog. He looks increduously at both of us and walks away. When he gets well out of sight, I basically collapse on the ground and my GSD washed away my tears. I never did see that exboyfriend again. Now that I'm a lot stronger and p***, I would have loved for my GSD to see to it that that man was a castrati, but you can't turn back time. :wink: That's such a great story! And actually reminds me of my Hazey Girl! She was extremely aggressive, but this one ex I had, Bjorn, he was BAD NEWS. I never knew this at the time, and took Hazel's aggression towards him as her "normal" behavior. She was extremely vile towards him, I had to lock her in her crate when he was comming over, and she would lung and snarl, and even bent the wire bars :o She NEVER accepted him! He became abusive after that. Almost two years later was when Jared came into my life, and I still had Hazel then. She was snappy towards him, like she was with everyone else, but very quickly got a lot better. I remember we went for a walk and I kept her on the opposite side from him, and she walked nicely (of course I had a head halter on, and a muzzel in my back pocket, just in case) but she was awsome. I knew this dog like you wouldn't believe, and while he was telling me a story, I calmy and slowly moved Hazel between us. He got nervous but I told him it was okay, I knew her and knew she would be fine, and she was. Ever since then she loved him, and actually I had to remove her from the room because I was the one who was jelous :lol: Dogs are deffently put her as our protectors, and I think it would take a life time and more for me to repay those wonderful creatures :D This is one reason why HF's story upsets me so much. Dogs are here to protect us, watch over us, and in NO WAY should a human EVER lay a hand on a dog like that, this guy at her office has GOT TO GO. HF, is there anyway that he can get fired now? Or does your vet still have to really see something and have evidence? :-? Quote
Horsefeathers! Posted June 12, 2004 Author Posted June 12, 2004 HazelNutMeg napisał(a):HF, is there anyway that he can get fired now? Or does your vet still have to really see something and have evidence? :-? The problem is that I can't actually PROVE anything. I'm sure of it, I'd bet money on it, I'd just about stake my life on it. I just can't prove it. The vet has been great over the years for backing me up, but it's a tricky deal. I'm not an actual employee and it wasn't clinic business, so really the "punishment" would have to come from me, not the vet. Also, with our laws, the vet has to have a solid reason to fire him and so far he hasn't been able to have proof of anything other than this guy is a worthless piece of crap. I do understand the vet's position. He'd like to get rid of the guy, but at this time, the law is on Stoopit Dude's side. It's really sad because the rest of the staff there is absolutely wonderful and I'd trust them implicitly with any of my animals. :x My poor Missy girl is so glad to be home tonight and has stayed so close to my husband or me. I only wish she could talk :( . I'm not done with Stoopit Dude. I don't know yet what I'm going to do, but I've had it with him. Dude's gotta go. :x Quote
StarFox Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 I'm glad your dog bit him. Some people just get what they deserve. :evilbat: Quote
mouseatthebusstop Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 THIS GUY IS A COMPLEAT NERDE WHATS HE DOING WORKING IN THE VETS YOUR ROOM/AREA SHOULD BE LOCKED IF YOU ARE NOT THERE I DO NOT THINK I WOULD LEAVE EITHER DOG THERE AGAIN UNLESS HE LEFT OR GOT FIRED Quote
kendalyn Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 While I don't think I could be glad that my dog bit someone, I guess if it were going to happen, there are certain people I wouldn't mind being bitten. Has he reported it to animal control? Quote
Sarahstaff Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 Well, none of my dogs has ever even thought about biting anyone, so I can't answer the thread topic. But, I don't see how anyone could criticize you. What could possibly be wrong with leaving your dogs overnight somewhere that you had every right to leave them? The guy wouldn't have gotten bit if he hadn't been stupid. I hope you can find a way to get rid of him. Quote
courtnek Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 Shenanigans-What an awesome story! That guy DEFINATELY had it coming and he's lucky he backed off or he might have been LESS of a man. If you know what I mean. I CAN'T STAND abusive people and NEVER will. My stepdad was abused when he was younger and it DEFINATELY shaped his life to a certain degree. I was abused as a child, physically and emotionally. I KNOW where you're coming from, and I'm almost sorry he DIDNT castrate the guy.... :evilbat: :evilbat: :evilbat: :evilbat: Quote
behle Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 HF - The man should have left your dogs alone as instructed! At the very least he could have called you, or someone you trusted, if there was a concern instead of "handling" it....or mishandling the situation. It's too bad that the biting happened (because later he might try to blame her), and that Molly is traumatized. Some people just don't have the sense to do what is right! :o :o You would think he would know better... :evil: Quote
courtnek Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 I agree Behle. From her previoous posts about this worm (sorry to anyone who has worms) "knowing" is not part of his nature...... I remember her calling him a dominating, macho, piss-poor excuse for a man , or something to that affect. Cant take instructions from a woman, etc...If I remember correctly he told her something to the affect that "no dog is EVER gonna bite ME".....one of those.... well, gee, I guess some dog DID...imagine that, with that attitude.... :evilbat: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 Horsefeathers.. I think you can prove something..if you claim that you left your dogs in your place that YOU are paying rent for..it is technically YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY...he had no right going there, and absolutely no right handling your dogs..if anything..I think you can get him itno quite alot of trouble, especially for traumatizing your dogs..I'm sure he probably hit them or something after he got bitten by the way you described that son of a b**** Quote
cheekymunkee Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 "no dog is EVER gonna bite ME".....one of those.... well, gee, I guess some dog DID...imagine that, with that attitude.... He got his butt whipped by a poodle!!! :D :D :D :D Debby Quote
MajiesMom Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 There's been one or two times I wish my dog had bit someone when they were being very mean to her. :evil: That's what I'm here for though to protect her and no one messes with my dog!!!! I don't think there was anything wrong with you leaving them except if you leave them there again, after what happened. WOW I would have been mad! Poor puppers. I would have been livid about the whole situation but at least she got in that good bite hehe :lol: I hope that teaches him a lesson. Quote
Horsefeathers! Posted June 12, 2004 Author Posted June 12, 2004 He got his butt whipped by a poodle!!! No, he got his butt whipped by a Lhasa Apso. My small Poodle (Peanut) wouldn't know how to bite someone :oops: . However, he DID almost get whooped up on my one of my Standard Poodles once. My Pauly could be a fear biter and I caught this dude once jumping at him and antagonizing him just for kicks and grins. Pauly was barking at him. When I caught the guy, he said to me, "I thought I was gonna have to put som'thin' on ya dawg" meaning he was planning to hit or kick him for barking at him. Pauly wasn't bothering him prior and isn't an aggressive dog. He actually is friendly and likes people, but he is very easily intimidated by "threatening" gestures and if he can't get away, he can bite. The dude just started messing with him to make him bark and then he kept going until Pauly was about ready to nail him and THEN decided he might have to "punish" Pauly. I did talk reallllllllly ugly to that guy then and basically told him he'd be smart to leave him alone, especially after all the work we've put into Pauly to keep him from having to feel defensive (Pauly is five years old, but we've only had him since September). The idea that this guy could undo all the work we'd put into Pauly really upset me. Courtnek is right... I've complained about this same guy in the past. He believes about dogs that "ya gotta show 'em who's boss." Considering that most of my dogs are rescues and many came to me with issues that we've had to work on, I really don't appreciate him undermining all the work we've put into them. One thing is certain. I am going to put a lock on my door. I take my dogs with me to work every day even if I never let them spend another night there and I don't want him back there at all, period. If I go to lunch, or run an errand, I want to be able to lock him out. In five years, I've never had to lock my door and I hate to do it now because sometimes the clinic staff needs to get a client's dog from back there for whatever reason (may need an exam or vacs while it's there for grooming), but they'll just have to wait until I return to get them from now on. PBL, you may have a point. Even though I can't prove abuse, I've actually been considering seeing if I can file a police report to charge him with something like unlawful entry, or something similar. I kind of doubt it would be taken seriously (in this area of good ol' boys), but I may check it out. I feel that justice would be best served on a more personal level. I really want this guy out of there more than I want "revenge." If I could just get him arrested for SOMETHING where he'd have to spend a couple of nights in jail, he'd miss work and could be fired for that since he has no money or means of bailing himself out. DL, Missy seems to be fine today. I'm sure she was really, really glad to be able to spend the night in her (our) own bed last night. Thanks for asking! Quote
MajiesMom Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 OMG she is so pretty! I would get a lock and maybe only give a key to someone you really trust just in case. Gosh get that guy out of there! Quote
cheekymunkee Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 Oooh, she's a DOLL!! Tell her I'm sorry I thought she was a poodle (I was going by the poodles in your avatar). :wink: Debby Quote
Horsefeathers! Posted June 12, 2004 Author Posted June 12, 2004 It's a'ight :wink: . There are ten dogs of varying breeds here in our little makeshift refuge. I have the two Standard Poodles and a Toy Poodle and Poodles (preferably Standards) are actually "my" breed, but Lhasas are a close second. The rest of them don't mind. 8) Quote
courtnek Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 oh HF!! she has a face to melt over!!! Now I'M REALLY pissed...how could someone hurt a face like that???? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Quote
imported_Cassie Posted June 12, 2004 Posted June 12, 2004 HF, definately get locks put on those doors leading to the vet clinic. My boss has had simular problems with her grooming shop. She rents space from a Vet clinic ( and she pays dearly for the space) and yet the vet clinic seems to consider the grooming shop a part of the daily tour. They hire a new Vet, "well, here are our kennels, our kitchen, bathrooms, and here is our bottom dweller the groomers and here is her hired help...and lets take a look at the Newfoundland dogs..." we are part of the tour, this ticks my boss off to no end, but, she doesnt have the personality to confront the upstairs "people". Its pretty bad when you have a nervous dog on the table and your scissoring around the eye area when your back door opens with a gang of people taking a tour :evil: The vets have brought down dog food representatives, sales people, friends, family, new hires etc. We also had problems with one of the kennel hands who works upstairs. My boss allowed me to leave Beau at the grooming shop at night when I first rescued him. I didn't think it was a good idea to take him home to meet my other 5 dogs until I got him back to health and got him neutered...especially since I already had 2 intact male Newf's and my bitch was just coming into season. The kennel hands were allowed to come down and take Beau out for bathroom breaks during the evening. But, this one certain kennel hand we asked he not be allowed down with Beau...but, he did end up taking Beau out, and not that he did any thing... I just never trusted him. Especially since we caught him spraying the Vets Cockatoo birds with a water pistol in the dead of winter....the birds could have easily gotten pnemonia. We also caught this kennel hand hanging a dog on a lead, shaking the Cockatoo's cage so the birds almost fell off their perches etc. he just seems to be a mean kid. :-? We also mentioned our concerns to the Vet who owns the clinic. She just nodded her head and has kept him on :roll: what can ya do??? obviously not much. My boss keeps her doors leading to the clinic locked when she is not there. It was when she started noticing money missing from her cash box that she started becoming VERY concerned. Its not fair that you can rent space and not have any privacy...you don't see us sneaking upstairs and stealing the morphine or other drugs when we feel like it. Nor do we take our new clients upstairs for a tour when they come in for their first appointment. Believe me HF, my boss could really emphasize with you and what you are going through. Quote
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