LisaH Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Ya beat me to it Sarah :D I thought I had read somewhere that the name started out as "Blooded Hound". Found this http://www.treehound.com/treehound/html/majestic.html
courtnek Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 yes, it did. but once realized that this dog could track, find, and hunt down a person, find him and hold him until the law got him, that became its primary purpose. they could scent, from small pieces of clothing. people. that is what they are primarily used for, now. They are NOT aggressive, to the people they track. my post was to say **I** dont trust the govt, to try to ban them. because "they hunt people"...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Oh please. Carla probably has more experience with the breed than everyone here with pit bulls combined 46 years & counting here! :roll: How old IS she? Yes, the APBT is in trouble, no one denies that. But please tell me, how does the constant bashing of pit bulls & their owners, spreading MORE false information, supporting BSL help the breed in ANY way? She DOES get under your skin - but that's pretty cowardly to default to the "we don't care WHAT you have to say if you don't tell us what breed you own" argument. How is it cowardly to truthfully answer ALL of her questions & not expect ANY in return? She has not answered ONE question put to her, instead, she tries to find ANY thing else to "use against" the person she has decided to have a vendetta against, hence her trolling another board to find a post were I described when I first got my dog as a puppy, neither were too thrilled about being in their rooms, I was accused of making my dogs lives miserable. She accused me over & over (in her round about way) of being an irresponsible owner, first because I let my dogs around kittens & other dogs without posting a disclaimer, THEN because I seperate my dogs because they are dog aggressive ( they ARE pit bulls after all), then it was because my dogs are not with ME 24/7 (never mind the fact that there are 2 other adults residing in my home) I can ask ANY memeber of this board what breed of dog they own & they ALL will answer me. I can ask them where they are from & I can almost BET they would at least give me the state, province or country if other than the US. She supports BSL but ONLY for the APBT. If this makes her a lover of the breed & a friend of the pit bull in YOUR eyes why don't you invite her to post on PureBredPuppy. You should REALLY enjoy her company! I see CheekyMunkee, who otherwise seems to be a good representative for the breed, losing her cool. Thank you! I didn't REALLY lose my cool, I was having fun with Primmy. This has been a round & round "thing" with Primmy for years. This is just a new board for her to try to "run over". I personally haven't had much experience with her (since I was censored from the board she USED to gang up on) but I HAVE witnessed plenty. Debby
cheekymunkee Posted June 17, 2004 Author Posted June 17, 2004 Sorry, that was ME above. AND I also apologize for the mess up with the quote, I'll get itfigured out one of these days! hence her trolling another board to find a post were I described when I first got my dog as a puppy, neither were too thrilled about being in their rooms, I was accused of making my dogs lives miserable[quote] I am refering to Justice as a baby & neither her or MUnkee being too thrilled with the transition. I forget, not everyone here knows me. Debby
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Anonymous napisał(a):She may have a LOT of experience with pit bulls. But it isn't convincing to say that she has more experience with the breed than EVERYONE here with pit bulls combined. Get real! Sorry, but I agree with Odnarb. Carla has been in the breed longer, and been around more of these dogs than all of us put together. Not to mention she works for one of the MOST respected AmStaff breeders in the WORLD (Dick Pascoe). I consider both of them my mentors. Pit bulls ARE in serious trouble. I've owned them since 1987, and have watched the breed being DESTROYED over the years. I'd be surprised if they make it 20 years......10 seems more likely, the way the bans are popping up. :o
cheekymunkee Posted June 17, 2004 Author Posted June 17, 2004 This is Primmy's form of BSL. Notice how many breeds she mentions & then you tell ME she is a pit bull lover! Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:28 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me explain (removed side note) my position on breed specific legislation. I am against breed bans. However, bans of pit bulls, in particular, are happening all over the place and will inevitably happen many more places (everywhere, eventually, probably) if something is not done to curb the problems pit bulls have and cause. People who really care about pit bulls, as opposed to caring about irresponsible peoples' rights to breed pit bulls indiscriminately, understand that the main victims of the pit bull crisis are pit bulls themselves. They want to do something about it. My suggestion (and nobody really has a good reason why it shouldn't happen, other than that they want irresponsible breeders of pit bulls to be free to continue to breed pit bulls) is for the responsible pit bull community to support the enactment of laws calling for mandatory spay/neuter of all unregistered (AKC or UKC only) pit bulls. If this were enforced 100%, the pit bull crisis would stop pretty much dead in its tracks. Even if it were only sporadically enforced (say, when the owner of a human aggressive pit bull advertises the dog at stud, bragging about his "manstopping" qualities), it would be a totally positive thing, stopping SOME irresponsible pit bull breeders and not hurting a single responsible pit bull breeder or owner. Pit bulls would not be slaughtered in shelters by the tens of thousands. Some children would live who otherwise will die in the jaws of irresponsibly bred pit bulls. Responsible pit bull owners would not have to live with the very real prospect that their dogs will become illegal at any time and/or that their insurance will be cancelled. The pit bull community can complain about how "unfair" it is that they are targeted with such "breed specific" proposals, but the alternative to doing something like this is doing nothing and waiting for the breed ban to happen where you live and pretending you don't know about the thousands of pit bulls that are slaughtered in shelters and the thousands more that live short, miserable lives owned by horrible people who want dogs as weapons, either against people or other dogs. Personally, I think that pit bulls deserve better from the people who claim to care about them. primrose -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While it might hold some good points, why should these things be mandatory ONLY for the APBT??? Why is she considering ADBA dogs to be "unregistered"? True, the ADBA is corrupt but show me a regiserty that isn't. AND the APBT is NOT an AKC dog ( she knows very well it isn't) so what about the Am Staff? every era has to have its devil-dog YES it does! Personally I have witnessed the GSD, Dobie, Chow, and Rottie all become the most hated breed in the universe. Unfortunaly, the APBT hatred is lasting a bit longer. Debby
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 .. for posting pics of your murderously aggressive dogs. Allow me to share that - both of my murderously aggressive dogs (a certain Pit by the name of Madeleine and a certain, mostly Rottn Esperanza) have been known to sport nasty scratches across their noses - from our equally murderous two felines.
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 courtnek napisał(a):yes, it did. but once realized that this dog could track, find, and hunt down a person, find him and hold him until the law got him, that became its primary purpose. they could scent, from small pieces of clothing. people. that is what they are primarily used for, now. They are NOT aggressive, to the people they track. my post was to say **I** dont trust the govt, to try to ban them. because "they hunt people"... Oh I completely understand where you are coming from. I just was wondering about the name. I will tell you I dread BSL in my area. After the Pit Bulls it could go on to Shepherds or Chows and mixes there of. I have a mix of those two. Once one breed is banned it makes it all that much easier for the next breed.
cheekymunkee Posted June 17, 2004 Author Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='Mei-Mei']I want to make this clear to everyone once again, because frankly I don't care what Primrose thinks. My only point is that she is NOT being censored (which should be obvious to anyone with half a brain) and that we have not edited her posts. Period. If she wants to argue constantly, fine. If she wants to avoid questions, fine. If she wants to duck out of discussions when she can't answer questions logically, fine. But it's not fine to say that she is being censored when she's not. I have a real personal problem with censorship. I'm actively involved in supporting banned books, so for someone to accuse the administration of this board (of which I am a very small part) of censorship is anathema to me. So there is no argument as far as I'm concerned. Primrose proved her caliber when she told a deliberate lie. Some of her arguments were valid, but she's definitely lost credibility with me. :-? So true!! I find it VERY hard to believe that the ONE post in which she anwers questions is somehow censored BUT the one in which she COMPLAINS about being censored goes right through. Kinda stupid, don't ya think??? If she were being censored surely THAT post would never have made the board. This is absured!! AND exactly what the Primeister wants! SHE LOVES it when she sees pit bull owners & breeders arguing amongst themselves. Divide & Conquer as it were. If YOU choose to follow her around & defend her stupidity, knock yourself out but DO NOT expect any one else to do it!! And for those of you STILL not convinced about her-visit here: http://www.sunshineband.org/forums/index.php? Look up any of her posts, you should find your answers there! Debby
odnarb Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='Mei-Mei'] I'm really curious to know how you can make this assumption. I've been here two years and I don't know everything about all the people on this forum. I mean, what else can you tell me about EVERY, SINGLE, SOLITARYperson who posts here? I don't doubt that Carla is extremely knowledgeable about the breed, but more experience than everyone here combined???? That's some assumption. Maybe it would be more politic to state that Carla is extremely familiar with the breed, rather than presuming the combined experience of all the pit bull owners on this board? LOL, I'll still stand by it. And I know she's not going to toot her own horn, so I'll do it for her. LOL Carla is VERY well known in the breed, in the US and abroad, both from her contributions to the breed, and for being the kennel manager for one of the most respected breeders of AmStaffs on the planet. The attacks on Carla by other pit bull owners would be similar to a dinner theater troupe accusing Steven Spielberg of wanting to rid the world of actors.
cheekymunkee Posted June 17, 2004 Author Posted June 17, 2004 Like I posted, I have been "in the breed" as an owner for 46 years (my dad had APBT all of MY life) so is she has more time in the breed than ALL of us put together, she msut be older than the pope!! :lol: She may have experience with MORE dogs than all of us do but we (for the most part) aren't breeders nor do we work for them so that point is mute. None of that is the point, who cares who has been where longer?? What difference does it make in relation to Primmy and her "love of the pit bull terrier"?? Debby
odnarb Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='cheekymunkee']Like I posted, I have been "in the breed" as an owner for 46 years (my dad had APBT all of MY life) so is she has more time in the breed than ALL of us put together, she msut be older than the pope!! :lol: She may have experience with MORE dogs than all of us do but we (for the most part) aren't breeders nor do we work for them so that point is mute. Where did I post a timeline? Did I say years? I said: Oh please. Carla probably has more experience with the breed than everyone here with pit bulls combined. None of that is the point, who cares who has been where longer?? What difference does it make in relation to Primmy and her "love of the pit bull terrier"?? Debby Because people are attacking her for her opinion 9that was a very valid one indeed), when she is one of the most knowledgeable people in the breed today. Somebody even insinuated that she WAS primmy! LMAO! Primmy gets under your skin, that's for sure. And her delivery isn't exactly great, either. But she's not completely off base either. The breed is in serious trouble, and something needs to be done to stop our downward spiral into government induced extinction. Posting pics of cute dogs, accusing other posters of being full of crap, and being in denial of the problems aren't going to solve things. There are a lot of very scary and dangerous pit bulls out there in the world today, and our insistance of what the ideal is isn't going to change that. The numbers of those scary dogs is increasing, and we NEED to find a way to stop it. If we don't the breed is doomed. And since I don't see a solution that everyone will agree on, I expect I will see a time in Grant's life where he is muzzled and walked on a three foot leash in public. At least, I hope we get a grandfather clause when the fit hits the shan.
pLaurent Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 I just find it odd that a person with such a love of the breed would be following Primmy (who endorses BSL for pit bulls ONLY) all over the net and defending her, especially after Prim herself takes a powder when her lying and hypocrisy are discovered. Very odd indeed. And we know her posts weren't censored. Screaming censorship and abuse are the usual tactics when she finds her words coming back to haunt her.
cheekymunkee Posted June 17, 2004 Author Posted June 17, 2004 Somebody even insinuated that she WAS primmy! LMAO! Well, what did she expect??? She comes onto a thread AFTER Primmy says she is leaving & posts in defense of her. No one knew who she was, I know SEVERAL Carla's. How was I to know it wasn't one of them? Her first post was sarcastic & her second was saying that Primmy likes pit bulls. Hell, Primmy doesn't even admit to THAT!! I've heard of Carla before, yes she has done great things for the breed but not everyone here HAS heard of her & I didn't even realize who she was. Not that it matters that I didn't recognize her name. Where did I post a timeline? Did I say years? I said: Oh please. Carla probably has more experience with the breed than everyone here with pit bulls combined. No you didn't post a time line, but the way you said what you did sounds like we are all a bunch of newbies to the breed & there fore do not know what we are talking about and should be ignored in favor of someone far superior. Perhaps you didn't mean it to sound that way, but it did. Posting pics of cute dogs, accusing other posters of being full of crap, and being in denial of the problems aren't going to solve things Neither is bashing responsible owners & their dogs. I WILL say a poster is full of crap when they post full of crap things on a message board. By sitting back & waving that famous Walmart wave while others posts myths & un truths isn't helping any one either. Like I said, invite Primmy to join Purebredpuppy, I'm sure all of them will enjoy her company there. And besides, it will give them someone to bash instead of each other! Debby
ML Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Posting pics of cute dogs, accusing other posters of being full of crap, and being in denial of the problems aren't going to solve things. I don't think the point of cheeky's pictures (and PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong cheeky) was to get into a debate about the plight of the pit bull. She had cute pics of her dogs that she wanted everyone to see, and she posted them. Primrose jumped on the opportunity to get something started off of the topic of the thread, and IMO, she succeeded. I am concerned about the future of pit bulls, as I'm sure most owners who post here are. But that's NOT gonna stop me from posting "pics of cute dogs". I enjoy my dogs, I love them, I'm going to continue sharing them with other owners who still find time to enjoy their pits, and the threat of BSL isn't gonna get my panties in a bunch everytime someone post pics with "sarcastic" captions (since that what someone referred to it as). Life is too short to be so farsighted that you shouldn't enjoy the here and now. Just because someone doesn't want to debate the fears and turmoil of BSL doesn't meant they're in denial. Maybe a forum about BSL should be started. Because, I personally am sick of seeing threads that have NOTHING to do with it being turned into debates about the future of the breed. Maybe the breed will be banned in the future, maybe not. None of us knows for sure, unless some of you have some inside connection that the rest of us don't. Heck, a lot can happen in 10 or 20 years. I'll bet this same prediction of doom and gloom was predicted 10 or so years ago :roll: Can't we just all get along and enjoy pics and threads for the purposes originally intended? Ok...back into my shell...
cheekymunkee Posted June 17, 2004 Author Posted June 17, 2004 DIND DING DING DING !! You are CORRECT ML & you get to wear the "Irresponsble Pit Bull Owner of the Day" hat!!! Now come on out of that shell missy! Debby
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='odnarb'] Where did I post a timeline? Did I say years? I said: Oh please. Carla probably has more experience with the breed than everyone here with pit bulls combined. Yeah, I know, Odnarb - you're just trying to make me look OLD! Carla
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 This is becoming quite obsurd... 18 pages of arguing about some pictures...I agree with what was said about just coming here and enjoying other people's dogs rather then getting our panties stuck in a knot..for all we know, primmy could be sitting their laughing at all of you for getting offended or trying to explain things to him...come on..after all this is the internet, and we don't know how sincere and serious about pit bulls and dogs in general primmy or anybody else in here that posts arguments really is... So right..lets just enjoy our dogs and stop trying to prove each other wrong..its not going anywhere..except maybe to the 19th page of blabber :-?
cheekymunkee Posted June 17, 2004 Author Posted June 17, 2004 primmy could be sitting their laughing at all of you for getting offended or trying to explain things to him You can take THAT to the bank! Debby
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 :::KNOCK::: ::::KNOCK::: HELLO! Fellow pit bull owners...may I ask a question? (Besides that one) Why are we (We being the Pit Bull owners as a whole on this board) arguing against one another? I'm seeing names that once were united are now fighting each other. NOT COOL! We need to reunite and work together for the betterment of this breed. Boy disappear for a while and come back to find the world turned upside down!
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 If I truly hated them, I know exactly what I would do....sit back and smile and do nothing and watch while many of the people who claim to "love" them do exactly what they are doing now--hurt pit bulls horribly and pretty much make breed bans inevitable. primrose The only thing inevitable is that stupid people like yourself will continue to breed, creating yet another generation of closed-minded, racist-reminicent nimrods. :boom:
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Tammy that's what I'm saying..this is just pointless..everyone's tuning everyone else out and posting like mad...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 xfiled napisał(a):Prim does NOT hate Pit Bulls; she DOES have dislike for the hoards of irresponsible breeders and owners. She understands the Pit Bull problem to be the likes of which does not face any other breed. And she looks to US, the responsible breeders and owners, to help find a solution. Yep, I wrote that - my second post after the first sarcastic one. Later... Cheeky wrote about my post: <<Her first post was sarcastic & her second was saying that Primmy likes pit bulls.>> WHERE did I say that Prim likes Pit Bulls? To be honest, I really don't know that Prim likes Pit Bulls; but I do believe she does not "hate" the breed. I don't "like" some breeds, but am able to admire some individuals within many breeds. Carla
Queen Bitch Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 If this had been a BP thread ( Before Primmy) there wouldn't have been any big Pit bull debate. There just would have been a ton of Awwwws and How cutes. *sigh* So on that note: AWWWWWWWWWWWW
courtnek Posted June 18, 2004 Posted June 18, 2004 I cant be here 24/7 to monitor... _________________ nor should you have to. Once again, we have been drawn into fighting with each other over this subject. I am beginning to believe that is some of Primmy's intent, no matter how well Carla likes her. Nothng against you Carla. Can we all take deep breaths, chill out and enjoy the photo's please? I thought they were adorable myself...
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