Guest Anonymous Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 EmmeAndCharley napisał(a):Shads.... the pit bull breed is in serious trouble? Well, I will believe that when people that I know (who work with pit bulls, rescue pit bulls, and own pitbulls) start telling me that. Anyone who doesn't believe the Pit Bull is in serious trouble is from another planet; and is someone that probably shouldn't own the breed. Prim does NOT hate Pit Bulls; she DOES have dislike for the hoards of irresponsible breeders and owners. She understands the Pit Bull problem to be the likes of which does not face any other breed. And she looks to US, the responsible breeders and owners, to help find a solution. She DOES get under your skin - but that's pretty cowardly to default to the "we don't care WHAT you have to say if you don't tell us what breed you own" argument. Carla
EmmeAndCharley Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 xfiled napisał(a):EmmeAndCharley napisał(a):Shads.... the pit bull breed is in serious trouble? Well, I will believe that when people that I know (who work with pit bulls, rescue pit bulls, and own pitbulls) start telling me that. Anyone who doesn't believe the Pit Bull is in serious trouble is from another planet; and is someone that probably shouldn't own the breed. Prim does NOT hate Pit Bulls; she DOES have dislike for the hoards of irresponsible breeders and owners. She understands the Pit Bull problem to be the likes of which does not face any other breed. And she looks to US, the responsible breeders and owners, to help find a solution. She DOES get under your skin - but that's pretty cowardly to default to the "we don't care WHAT you have to say if you don't tell us what breed you own" argument. Carla Ugh! Another member of the "Primrose Pep Squad!" I should have known from the first posting. :roll:
pLaurent Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Prim does NOT hate Pit Bulls; she DOES have dislike for the hoards of irresponsible breeders and owners. She understands the Pit Bull problem to be the likes of which does not face any other breed. And she looks to US, the responsible breeders and owners, to help find a solution And she does this by trolling, harassing and insulting responsible owners and breeders on message boards and watching dogfight vids? This accomplishes....what? You must have the answer. One thing I must say for you Primmy Minions - you're loyal to her no matter how irrationally she behaves. Just don't expect any thanks from her. Are you speaking for her while she goes on her "mini-vacation"? LOL!!!! :lol:
odnarb Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 EmmeAndCharley napisał(a): Ugh! Another member of the "Primrose Pep Squad!" I should have known from the first posting. :roll: Oh please. Carla probably has more experience with the breed than everyone here with pit bulls combined.
Queen Bitch Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 ellieangel napisał(a):Hillside.......how intuitive you are.........fancy being able to spot Rage syndrome like that..........of course they have rage.........it's in their breed........and Conar will one day run away in search of snow....... He won't have to wait too long, we DO live in Minnesota. He won't RUN away in search of anything, it's not dignified. He will WALK at a leisurely, kingly pace until the snow catches up with HIM. :lol:
odnarb Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 EmmeAndCharley napisał(a):Shads.... the pit bull breed is in serious trouble? Well, I will believe that when people that I know (who work with pit bulls, rescue pit bulls, and own pitbulls) start telling me that. You have got to be kidding me. This breed is being banned in various places (even entire countries). There are places in the US where your dog can be confiscated and killed. These places are increasing at a rate faster than BSL is being overturned. Getting insurance can be difficult, finding a rental can be difficult. Health is going to hell, temperament is going to hell. Seriously, what rock have you been living under?
abker17 Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Okay I can tell that this is going to turn into a huge fight, one that I'm going to stay out of. BUT I did want to comment on one thing: Most surprisingly, I see in other threads that a person who fights dogs is tolerated and encouraged by many of the regulars here. DO NOT even get everyone started on that one again. First of all, "that person" does not fight thier dogs persay, although to many people it's all the same. And many people do disagree with it. Please get all the facts before posting a comment like that.
courtnek Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Odnarb is correct. It has become a big problem here in the states. Many Many people want to ban this dog, stop it from reproducing, keep it out of apartments and homes, etc. Even insurance companies have jumped on the bandwagon. This breed is in SERIOUS trouble if we cant get the word across that it requires somewhat special handling, by a knowledgeable owner. While Prim often annoys me (and others) that doesnt make the comments of Shad's invalid. we here have all fought to try to get education out there, via email, and letters, and response to bad media hype. This dog does require special care, and handling. It can become dog aggressive. That's a statement of fact. That doesnt mean every dog will, but the potential is there, and the media is hanging this dog without a fair trial. Our admin, K, is in another country where you cant OWN this dog. we dont want to see that happen here. If we allow ONE dog to go down to popular outcry, there is NOTHING that will stop them from attacking every other potentially "dangerous" dog, and outlawing them as well. so no shepherds? no rotties? no dobies? no akita's? we all have to have Lab's (and mine is not a typical lab), goldens, poodles and NO mixes with any of the above? that's the whole point. You LET them take this dog, there is nothing to stop them from doing it to ANY dog. In a warped sense they could decide my Foxhound is "animal aggressive"...she hunted fox, didnt she? do you see where this can go if we let it? The govt will create as many rules/laws as we allow them to. bloodhounds were bred to HUNT PEOPLE..... they must not be allowed either....
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 :roll: bloodhounds were bred to HUNT PEOPLE..... they must not be allowed either.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Oh my dog!! they are SCENT hounds breed to follow a SCENT!!! not xactly hunting humans now is it!!! they do not have the potential to do any thing more than bay when they have found they scent they have followed!! that is not attacking the scent object. They were bred to have NO HUMAN AGGRESSION, nor animal aggression. You wouldn't find a hound killing the object they were following...they were bred intentionally NOT to harm the object they were followng. In a warped sense they could decide my Foxhound is "animal aggressive"...she hunted fox, didnt she? do you see where this can go if we let it? Fox hounds are not animal aggressive, they are hunting dogs and are bred to work with man in locating prey. They are intentionally bred not to harm the prey they have chased. If they did they would have been culled. Intentional breeding once again by man.
courtnek Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 I KNOW THAT GUEST! I'm the one with the Foxhound, remember? Bloodhounds were bred to scent blood. Plain and simple. Yes, I know they wont attack their quarry, just like I know the Foxhound wont kill the fox. That's up to the huntmaster to do. HOWEVER!! we are talking the govt here, who will use the media to hype up anything they want to change, and make a law over. Dont even try to tell me it doesnt happen. It does, every day. and we CANT give them that "foot in the door"...once they have it, they wont quit. :roll:
courtnek Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 In a warped sense they could decide my Foxhound is "animal aggressive"...she hunted fox, didnt she? do you see where this can go if we let it? The govt will create as many rules/laws as we allow them to. bloodhounds were bred to HUNT PEOPLE..... they must not be allowed either.... for clarification, this is known as "sarcasm"....
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Yes, you are right... the pit bull breed is in serious trouble. Just for the fact that pit bulls are being fought and abused and tortured and abandoned, many are homeless, rescues are overwhelmed, many homeless pit bulls are being euthanized, etc.... And other animals are suffering because if this, too! But as far as BSL goes, it seem to me that Primrose is predicting that the pit bull breed is DOOMED forever! By reading some of her posts it makes it sound like animal control is on the verge of storming into all responsible pit bull owners homes and seizing their dogs to have them all euthanized immediately. And that this could happen to us all as soon as tomorrow. I doubt that would ever happen in our lifetime. So, her postings are not convincing to me. Responsible pit bull owners already DO know all of these things (and more), and they ARE teaching people how to be responsible about pit bull ownership. Primrose defines a responsible pit bull owner as being 100% sure 100% of the time that their dog will NEVER get loose and never get into a fight with another dog and NEVER bite a human being. That's not going to happen with any breed of dog (that I know of).
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 odnarb napisał(a): Oh please. Carla probably has more experience with the breed than everyone here with pit bulls combined.She may have a LOT of experience with pit bulls. But it isn't convincing to say that she has more experience with the breed than EVERYONE here with pit bulls combined. Get real!
EmmeAndCharley Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Crap! Those last 2 "guest" posts were me! I forgot to log in!
odnarb Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Anonymous napisał(a): I doubt that would ever happen in our lifetime. I give it 20 years or less.
EmmeAndCharley Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Now that is being more reasonable... I'm not agreeing that pit bulls will be extinct in 20 years or less (due to BSL), but the time frame does sound more reasonable at least. And my apologies about my comment about only believing (from people who work with pit bulls, own pit bulls, and rescue pit bulls) that pit bulls are in serious trouble. Yes, the responsible owners that I know have kept me and others educated about the seriousness of the plight of the pit bulls... and they have done a great job, too. I sure wish that their efforts to educate the public would be acknowledged, too. I applaud them.
courtnek Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='Anonymous']Yes, you are right... the pit bull breed is in serious trouble. Just for the fact that pit bulls are being fought and abused and tortured and abandoned, many are homeless, rescues are overwhelmed, many homeless pit bulls are being euthanized, etc.... And other animals are suffering because if this, too! But as far as BSL goes, it seem to me that Primrose is predicting that the pit bull breed is DOOMED forever! By reading some of her posts it makes it sound like animal control is on the verge of storming into all responsible pit bull owners homes and seizing their dogs to have them all euthanized immediately. And that this could happen to us all as soon as tomorrow. I doubt that would ever happen in our lifetime. So, her postings are not convincing to me. Responsible pit bull owners already DO know all of these things (and more), and they ARE teaching people how to be responsible about pit bull ownership. Primrose defines a responsible pit bull owner as being 100% sure 100% of the time that their dog will NEVER get loose and never get into a fight with another dog and NEVER bite a human being. That's not going to happen with any breed of dog (that I know of). I wont argue that. I dont agree with a lot of what Prim says. Please understand that my post was a typical show of sarcasm towards the way the govt handles some things. They live in their own world, apart from the rest of us. I wasnt yelling at you, jsut trying to make you understand that sarcasm is my favorite means of expressing "stupid" opinions, and the govt is one of my favoeirte targets. They are really NOT in touch with the real world. :lol:
KP Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 xfiled napisał(a):Prim does NOT hate Pit Bulls; she DOES have dislike for the hoards of irresponsible breeders and owners. She understands the Pit Bull problem to be the likes of which does not face any other breed. And she looks to US, the responsible breeders and owners, to help find a solution. Interesting..... xfiled carla.... if you truely believe this and you are not primmy yourself please show us where you got this theory from. What in her words (verbaitum) have you read that truely causes you to honestly believe that this is the case. I would like to see it and the source of reference(s) on where you clearly came about this "theory". I miserably fail to see where you could possibly even remotely get that opinion.
Sarahstaff Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Is the breed in trouble? Yes. Is Primrose helping? No.
gooeydog Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Here's one of my favorite primmy quotes, this was in response to my bringing up (on another board) a Dachshund tearing through a playpen and mauling a child nearly to death: It is almost certain that the dachshund didn't recognize the baby as human, and decided he was something like a big old badger, lying there. :o
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Weren't they breed to track boar or other quarry? Human tracking came later? I also thought their name came from the phrase "Blue Blood" as in the rich? Maybe I've been listening to the shows on Animal Planet or something but I seriously thought their name came from the phrase Blue Blood as in the rich that owned them.
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 [quote name='Anonymous']:roll: bloodhounds were bred to HUNT PEOPLE..... they must not be allowed either.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Oh my dog!! they are SCENT hounds breed to follow a SCENT!!! not xactly hunting humans now is it!!! they do not have the potential to do any thing more than bay when they have found they scent they have followed!! that is not attacking the scent object. They were bred to have NO HUMAN AGGRESSION, nor animal aggression. You wouldn't find a hound killing the object they were following...they were bred intentionally NOT to harm the object they were followng. .... and yet, bloodhounds DID have a public image as vicious manhunters, if you look at the popular culture (book, cartoons, etc) of the 19th century. every era has to have its devil-dog...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 odnarb napisał(a):EmmeAndCharley napisał(a): Ugh! Another member of the "Primrose Pep Squad!" I should have known from the first posting. :roll: Oh please. Carla probably has more experience with the breed than everyone here with pit bulls combined. if true, that only makes her bizarro defense of Primrose even more... bizarro.
Sarahstaff Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 The name "Bloodhound" was contracted from "blooded hound", referring to the dogs' own breeding. They were very carefully bred, and their "blood" kept "pure", to create the finest trailing hounds possible.
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Sarahstaff napisał(a):The name "Bloodhound" was contracted from "blooded hound", referring to the dogs' own breeding. They were very carefully bred, and their "blood" kept "pure", to create the finest trailing hounds possible. Ahhh thank you! Makes sense. My research as of late hasn't gone beyond Livestock Guardians.
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