thepitclub Posted June 19, 2004 Posted June 19, 2004 Oh, and can't forget lil' Valentine's sweet smile... (She's still looking for a forever home, BTW....)
EmmeAndCharley Posted June 19, 2004 Posted June 19, 2004 VALENTINE! You gorgeous girl!! You are all grown up now! Awwwww!
cheekymunkee Posted June 19, 2004 Author Posted June 19, 2004 [quote name='thepitclub']Lemme help you V, LOL. That quote is SOOOO freaking funny under that picture Pitcrew!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Debby
cheekymunkee Posted June 19, 2004 Author Posted June 19, 2004 Yep, that pitty smile gets MY dogs out of LOTS of things! How can you stay mad at a mug like that?? I have a hard time catching mine smiling, Justice thinks she has to "woowoo" at the camera & Munkee thinks he needs to pose. :roll: Debby
Guest Anonymous Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='Mei-Mei']I want to make this clear to everyone once again, because frankly I don't care what Primrose thinks. My only point is that she is NOT being censored (which should be obvious to anyone with half a brain) and that we have not edited her posts. Period. If she wants to argue constantly, fine. If she wants to avoid questions, fine. If she wants to duck out of discussions when she can't answer questions logically, fine. But it's not fine to say that she is being censored when she's not. I have a real personal problem with censorship. I'm actively involved in supporting banned books, so for someone to accuse the administration of this board (of which I am a very small part) of censorship is anathema to me. So there is no argument as far as I'm concerned. Primrose proved her caliber when she told a deliberate lie. Some of her arguments were valid, but she's definitely lost credibility with me. :-? Maybe it was one of the other moderators who removed my posts? I haven't read this entire thread, so I don't know if anybody might have confessed to doing so, but the posts WERE removed. I don't lie. If something I say is not true, it is because I am making an honest error, not because I am lying. It is remotely possible that the posts disappeared because of a computer glitch. I don't think so, however, because it happened several times. It had eveyr appearace of being deliberate censorship. I am 100% in agreement with you about censorship, by the way. We reach truth by letting the marketplace of ideas sort it out, not by trying to censor of ban people. (I was against banning Rott n pit, remember, even though I think he is despicable). primrose
KP Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 I smell $hit, do you smell $hit? I do. You are so full of $hit primmy it isn't even funny anymore. You OOZE it infact. I do find it humorous that you dodge those same questions repeatedly, over and over and FINALLY at the end of all this so far you decide THEN to insist that our managers here are doing all this and ironically enough THAT post wasn't "censored" within SECONDS of it being posted. Funny how even if we were to say for instance that the mods nor admin has nothing better to do than to sit on this board day in and day out, how not one person, member or not, has yet to step up and say... "yeah, I saw that info posted here, she said she has a...blah blah blah." Not ONE... and this is a pretty damn busy forum morning, noon and night. You and honest are like oil and water and you have just about as much depth. You and hands on dog knowledge are obviously non-exsistant since you STILL have yet to answer the question. Take your PBSL BS and "knowledge" somewhere else. :roll: You are a waist of webspace.
Guest Anonymous Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 My neighbor's Pittie is SO agressive it digs under our fence just to attack.
cheekymunkee Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 I smell $hit, do you smell $hit? I do. You are so full of $hit primmy it isn't even funny anymore. You OOZE it infact. :modla: :evil_lol: :cunao: :banan: :stupid: :megagrin: :sweetCyberM: Debby
Guest Anonymous Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Primrose-Now all of a sudden after something is posted on here describing how you were irresponsible with dogs you are leaving? :icon_rock: I think the point they were TRYING to make by posting that was that YOU are human too. Stop trying to label people and except WE ALL make mistakes NOT just pit bull owners...ALL dog owners. I can sense some sarcasm in your post Primrose. :roll: You were saying that your posts got censored? If K DID edit your posts she had a good reason to do it because K doesn't censor posts just for sh*ts and giggles. Most of your posts were hard to read because of the way they were written and I'm not the only one who thinks this. If you want to say something just come right out and say it. Oh well...goodbye then Primrose. Don't have TOO much fun while you are gone. :wink: Uh, no. Actually, you miss both points. My original post (which I wrote, so it is a bit hard to see how folks think that it is so insulting to me to quote it) about all the irresponsible things I have done with dogs was exactly to show that we are all flawed and all make mistakes re our dogs. It was also to demonstrate that just because nothing bad happens as a result of our irresponsible moments doesn't make them less irresponsible. It makes us lucky. (This post originally appeared when a person was bragging about how she sent her dog down a twisty slide with and on top of a bunch of young children she didn't know at all--a single nail scratch from the dog could easily have resulted in a claim of a bite and serious consequences. Moreover, it is pretty certain that she was in violation of the leash law at the time she did it, since I haven't seen too many playgrounds for children where dogs are allowed to be off leash). This post (written by me) is being disseminated to "prove" that I am a more irresponsible dog owner than practically anybody else. Well...maybe. I kind of doubt it, though, and one of the points I made is that no animals (or children or anybody else) got hurt as a result of all the irresponsibility. Well, the tofu turkey got a little gnawed, but there were no other casualties. Since I was a teenager, none of my dogs has died of an accident, nor have any of my dogs been put down for reasons other than intractable illness. I haven't dumped any dogs. So if I am really much more irresponsible than the average person, I am also WAY more lucky. (And I admit that I am pretty lucky--I COULD have had any of those things happen, except for the dog dumping). Maybe (as I said before), nobody DID intentionally delete my posts. My guess is that somebody did (I note that K. stops just a WEE bit short of actually denying deleting my posts, but maybe that is just careless writing on K's part) because multiple posts by me disappeared shortly after being posted. My guess is one of the "monitors" (one who apparently doesn't share mei mei's admirable dislike of censorship) was on the board when I was and was just deleting them as I posted them. But, hey, I can't prove it wasn't just an odd computer glitch, so let's move on. Somebody states that they find it impossible to believe that I posted details about my experience with dogs that I never posted on Patty's Dog Park or elsewhere. Well, of course, I have posted details of my experience with dogs on PDP and elsewhere. Most of this will be completely familiar to the kinds of people who are so obsessed with me that they save my posts, but here it is again: I have been dogcentric all my life. I have owned a number of different breeds, from at least four different groups and have put obedience titles on every dog I have owned (except temporary fosters) since I was a teenager. I bred one litter when I was fourteen or fifteen (I think that one of the posters claimed it was a BYB litter) and while I would NEVER do that breeding today, I am not all that hard on myself, since I was a kid and it was a long time ago. OIn any case, , the parents had applicable health screens and the puppies all went to carefully screened homes. Both parents were titled (my bitch had her CD, and later went on to get a CDX and one leg on her UD, trained entirely by me as a kid--the sire was a champion). When one of the puppies did not work out in her home, because of the aggression of a larger dog, I repurchased her (full price) from the puppy buyers and rehomed her with a family with whom she stayed until her dying day. My standards for breeding have gone way up as I became more educated and my most recent chance to breed was with a champion, UD, AX bitch with OFA good hips and CERF cleared eyes and no outstanding faults. I declined to breed this bitch for a bunch of reasons, (as well as declining to breed every other bitch I have had since that first dog) so I am a bit bemused to be labelled a "backyard breeder." My current permanent dogs are all titled in obedience and agility. Two of the three are shelter rescues. The third is a responsibly bred wombat. I MAY breed the Wombat, (the breeder of Winners dog at the Wombat national specialty this year told me I would be "hurting the breed" if I failed to breed her) but may not, too. My personal standards for breeding include all applicable health screens, AKC titles at both ends (more than entry level performance titles) and a bunch of less concrete things, such as a waiting list of people who do performance stuff with dogs who want my puppies. The Wombat hasn't yet even finished her championship, so even if I decide that I want to breed her, unless that happens, (and since I so rarely show in the conformation ring, it might not), she won't be bred. Maybe this meets my critic's definition of a "backyard breeder" but that would be setting the bar pretty high, I think. Perhaps the person who thinks I am a backyard breeder can tell us exactly what standards s/he has for breeders. That would be interesting. I teach obedience for the local animal welfare group (and have taught for my local kennel club, previously). Dogs adopted from our local shelter get scholarships to attend. Neither I nor the other two people who help out with the class get paid, of course. We do this as a public service. I consider myself to be no more than an adequate dog trainer, but I have luckily been bailed out by some wonderful dogs. I have done a bit of tracking and have put tracking titles on two dogs. (I highly recommend tracking). I informally coach about five or six other people who compete in performance stuff, and also learn from them, of course. I foster dogs occasionally. My current foster will be going to her carefully screened, wonderful home next weekend. I am thrilled for her and for her lucky new owners, sad for myself. As to the person who intimated that I wasn't away long enough (she seemed to think it was only twenty-four hours) to qualify as a "mini-vacation," I was gone for four days. If that is too short for you to qualify as a "mini-vacation," I'd like to have your life. Or at least your vacation schedule. I realize this might be more information than you wanted to know and that I responded to a number of different posts in this thread in this one post. Sorry about that, but if you don't want answers, don't ask questions. primrose
pLaurent Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 (This post originally appeared when a person was bragging about how she sent her dog down a twisty slide with and on top of a bunch of young children she didn't know at all--a single nail scratch from the dog could easily have resulted in a claim of a bite and serious consequences And that would be incredibly irresponsible Sarahstaff and her potentially murderously aggressive dog, Elmo, right? Are you ever going to stop harping on the "Twisty-Board Incident"? Yes, we were all horrifed by those pictures too! :roll: I really doubt any here could compete with that list on your Hall of Shame. Do you disagree? You're wasting your time here Primmy. No one is interested in your obsessive and insane ranting, doubletalk and pompous blathering, as was so beautifully expressed here: I smell $hit, do you smell $hit? I do. You are so full of $hit primmy it isn't even funny anymore. You OOZE it infact. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Get the hint? I'm sorry you have no place to go, since you've been banned on most boards, but gee, I know you'll think of something!
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 [quote name='pLaurent'](This post originally appeared when a person was bragging about how she sent her dog down a twisty slide with and on top of a bunch of young children she didn't know at all--a single nail scratch from the dog could easily have resulted in a claim of a bite and serious consequences And that would be incredibly irresponsible Sarahstaff and her potentially murderously aggressive dog, Elmo, right? Are you ever going to stop harping on the "Twisty-Board Incident"? Yes, we were all horrifed by those pictures too! :roll: I really doubt any here could compete with that list on your Hall of Shame. Do you disagree? You're wasting your time here Primmy. No one is interested in your obsessive and insane ranting, doubletalk and pompous blathering, as was so beautifully expressed here: I smell $hit, do you smell $hit? I do. You are so full of $hit primmy it isn't even funny anymore. You OOZE it infact. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Get the hint? I'm sorry you have no place to go, since you've been banned on most boards, but gee, I know you'll think of something!
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 [quote name='pLaurent'](This post originally appeared when a person was bragging about how she sent her dog down a twisty slide with and on top of a bunch of young children she didn't know at all--a single nail scratch from the dog could easily have resulted in a claim of a bite and serious consequences And that would be incredibly irresponsible Sarahstaff and her potentially murderously aggressive dog, Elmo, right? Are you ever going to stop harping on the "Twisty-Board Incident"? Yes, we were all horrifed by those pictures too! :roll: I really doubt any here could compete with that list on your Hall of Shame. Do you disagree? You're wasting your time here Primmy. No one is interested in your obsessive and insane ranting, doubletalk and pompous blathering, as was so beautifully expressed here: I smell $hit, do you smell $hit? I do. You are so full of $hit primmy it isn't even funny anymore. You OOZE it infact. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Get the hint? I'm sorry you have no place to go, since you've been banned on most boards, but gee, I know you'll think of something! **************** Well, I don't know whether I am the epitome of irresponsibility here. Let's find out. Everybody here who has a dog whom you purchased (other than from a rescue or a shelter), tell us exactly what the breeder did to warrant your giving them money and encouraging further breeding. My guess is that we won't hear from many pit bull people with answers to that question, because most of the ones who bought dogs know, in their heart of hearts, that the breeder wasn't quite up to snuff, responsibilitywise. Of course, there are a lot of irresponsible breeders in other breeds, too...it is just that so few responsible pit bull breeders exist that paying money for a pit bull is HIGHLY likely to be an irresponsible act that hurts dogs. There are exceptions--three of Lora's puppy buyers happen to post on this board-but they are few and far between. Next, is there anybody here who has owned dogs for any length of time who has NEVER had a loose dog, even for a few seconds? (Tell the truth, now...) The vast majority of dog owners have had that experience, and if the loose dog is a dog who wants to kill other dogs, that heightens the degree of irresponsibility dramatically, I think. Finally, let me ask you a question, pLaurent: Did you REALLY "laugh out loud" five times because somebody repeated the word "$hit" over and over? Is that what passes for cleverness in your world? If so, I can understand why you can't quite comprehend my posts, but you might want to think of how that level of, um, humor comes across to people who are reading these threads and learning about pit bull owners for the first time. primrose
Horsefeathers! Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 Anonymous napisał(a): Next, is there anybody here who has owned dogs for any length of time who has NEVER had a loose dog, even for a few seconds? (Tell the truth, now...) primrose Who? Me? No, never... Guilty. :oops:
mydogroxy Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 Let's find out. Everybody here who has a dog whom you purchased (other than from a rescue or a shelter), tell us exactly what the breeder did to warrant your giving them money and encouraging further breeding. My guess is that we won't hear from many pit bull people with answers to that question i have no qualms about letting people know where i got roxy from. i paid money to a man who is a byber and a dog fighter for my precious baby. i was uninformed and ignorant, but i no longer am and can acknowledge the fact that i once was. i can't change where i got her from and i'm not ashamed that i did get her from a dog fighter. would i do it again? no. Next, is there anybody here who has owned dogs for any length of time who has NEVER had a loose dog, even for a few seconds? this probably doesn't apply to me since i've had the rox for less than two years. however in those two years, she has never gotten loose. she has been off leash at times and places i consider to be safe, but never accidentally. would some people consider me irresponsible? i'm sure they would. :roll:
courtnek Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 The majority of the Pit owners here are aware of the risks, and the responsibility. They all agree that the potential is there for possible dog aggression, but these Pits also all appear to get along fine. OUR BOARD HAS A LOT of responsible Pit owners, even if you disagree. And yes, my dogs have escaped. There is always that opportunity. The odds are good they will never bite anyone, but you never know either. You cant lock these dogs up in glass bubbles and never let them see the light of day. You just have to watch them a little more carefully than some other dogs. and I WISH my dogs would go down a slide with a bunch of kids. It looks like great fun. Dogs were meant to be with people, children especially. If they have been socialized well enough, and trained well enough, there are usually no mishaps. we are way too much of a "lawsuit society"...and the media has helped promote that beyond what I consider reasonable. When I was a kid, if I went down a slide with a dog and got scratched, I went home, put bactine on it and a bandage, and got lectured from mom about not doing stupid things. SHE wouldnt have sued the owner, **I** made the decision. I have never been bitten. but I have been scratched by peoples cats. Her response? "Stay away from the cat then..." The legal justice system has contributed MIGHTILY to this bullshit. NO ONE should be allowed to sue for a scratch. My mom was bitten by a pekignese. She didnt sue the owner, she just made pre-arrangements to have the dog put away if she was coming by. She DIDNT like animals, but she knew that they were animals and other people liked to have them. If the stupid frivolous lawsuits, like being scratched on a slide by a dog, were not allowed, then maybe some real thought could go into laws about people who own aggressive dogs and dont control them, dont train them. dont socialize them. To me, it seems that everyone here appears to understand their dogs, and what they can do. Not all Pit's are aggressive, nor or Rotts, or Dobies, or Shepherds. Not all Goldens and Labs are nice. Dogs are individuals, like people. They should never be classified as "that kind of dog". That's what I personally have been fighting. I also will NEVER give the govt any more power than they already have. They already have WAY TOO MUCH as it is. I own guns, Prim. Will I let the govt take them away? Never. I have never broken the law with them, they are kept safely locked seperate from the ammunition, and they are also trigger locked. Pit's are the same thing basically. People have a right to own them, providing they realize their potential and act and treat accordingly. we cant allow the govt to decide what we can and cannot do, to insure their next election or stop the law-suiting idiots from taking control.
pLaurent Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 Did you REALLY "laugh out loud" five times No. I lied. It was more like 10 times. Ooops, there I go again. :lol: :lol: :lol: But what do you expect from a "sociopathic loser" pit bull owner? Sorry about that. So where did you get YOUR dog(s), and what breed is he/she? Parents titled at both ends? Oh, wait - they're weren't, right?
pLaurent Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 They are WOMBATS pL remember? DUH! Of course! I hope Prim is being responsible with hers! With her history of irresponsibility, I do worry. :o
courtnek Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: and YES! I REALLY DID laugh out loud that many times... :wink:
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 courtnek napisał(a): and I WISH my dogs would go down a slide with a bunch of kids. It looks like great fun. Dogs were meant to be with people, children especially. If they have been socialized well enough, and trained well enough, there are usually no mishaps. we are way too much of a "lawsuit society"...and the media has helped promote that beyond what I consider reasonable. When I was a kid, if I went down a slide with a dog and got scratched, I went home, put bactine on it and a bandage, and got lectured from mom about not doing stupid things. SHE wouldnt have sued the owner, **I** made the decision. I have never been bitten. but I have been scratched by peoples cats. Her response? "Stay away from the cat then..." The legal justice system has contributed MIGHTILY to this bullshit. NO ONE should be allowed to sue for a scratch. My mom was bitten by a pekignese. She didnt sue the owner, she just made pre-arrangements to have the dog put away if she was coming by. She DIDNT like animals, but she knew that they were animals and other people liked to have them. If the stupid frivolous lawsuits, like being scratched on a slide by a dog, were not allowed, then maybe some real thought could go into laws about people who own aggressive dogs and dont control them, dont train them. dont socialize them. To me, it seems that everyone here appears to understand their dogs, and what they can do. Not all Pit's are aggressive, nor or Rotts, or Dobies, or Shepherds. Not all Goldens and Labs are nice. Dogs are individuals, like people. They should never be classified as "that kind of dog". That's what I personally have been fighting. I also will NEVER give the govt any more power than they already have. They already have WAY TOO MUCH as it is. I own guns, Prim. Will I let the govt take them away? Never. I have never broken the law with them, they are kept safely locked seperate from the ammunition, and they are also trigger locked. Pit's are the same thing basically. People have a right to own them, providing they realize their potential and act and treat accordingly. we cant allow the govt to decide what we can and cannot do, to insure their next election or stop the law-suiting idiots from taking control. ***************** Can you clarify your thoughts for me, Courtnek? Because you seem to be saying some kind of contradictory things. On the one hand, you are claiming that people are lawsuit crazy and prone to filing lawsuits for nothing. On the other, you are saying you wish that your dogs would go down slides with kids they don't know and whom you don't know. Why? At the very least, you know that the PARENTS of those kids are irresponsible if they let their kids go down a slide with your dog (whom they DON'T KNOW). Why would you subject your dog to the possibility of the problems that irresponsible parents predictably could cause if some tiny thing (even a toenail scratch, as we discussed) went wrong? And then there is the constant mantra of pit bull people to "punish the deed, not the breed." But, hey, punishing the deed is EXACTLY what civil lawsuits are about. Of course none of us want our dogs to be accused of biting people when they really didn't, but guess what? A LOT of people whose dogs actually DO bite other people find it convenient to deny that it happened, and we have courts to sort out (to the best of their ability, which may be imperfect) what really happened. Do you have a better alternative? Do you think we shouldn't "punish the deed" unless the owner agrees that his/her dog bit somebody? Or maybe we shouldn't "punish the deed" at all? primrose primrose
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 newfiemom napisał(a):Even thought mine are not pitbulls, I got my first two newfs from my mom who was a responsible breeder. They were from her last litter ever. I didn't pay a dime for them. They are both spayed and neutered as neither my mom or I wanted to have either one bred. My middle male and my youngest male I got from two breeders my mom highly recommended. They are purchased with limited registration so they are both neutered. I paid a good amount for the two of them but I couldn't have asked for two harder workers (water workers). *********************** So what, exactly, did your mom do to qualify as a "responsible breeder" in your book? And your comments about your two dogs that you purchased are interesting, because you are saying that they were responsibly bred because you like the way that they work. The problem with evaluating the responsibility of a particular breeding retrospectively is that it is already done. This is not to say that your dogs were necessarily irresponsibly bred, just that saying that they turned out well doesn't make the breeding responsible. For a breeding to be responsible it has to be justifiable BEFORE the dogs breed, not in retrospect. So what, exactly, were the standards of the breeder of your dogs that made him/her responsible enough for you to give him/her "a good amount" of money? primrose
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 [quote name='"Dog Lover"'][quote name='"pLaurent"'] So where did you get YOUR dog(s), and what breed is he/she? Parents titled at both ends? Oh, wait - they're weren't, right? ************************* Well, as I said, two of my three permanent dogs are shelter rescues. They both came from my local shelter. Neither was supposed to stay, (the were both fosters, originally) but they both did. I am pretty darn sure that neither had titled parents (although a professional handler said of one of them--"I've finished worse") My third dog (as you obviously know, since you seem to keep rather creepily close tabs on everything I have ever written) came from a responsible breeder who has been in my breed (and, no, I won't tell you what breed it is, since...um, you are a bit too interested in me, what with saving posts of mine from YEARS ago and stuff) for years, and has had many outstanding dogs, both in conformation and performance. I know many dogs she has bred, including my previous bitch, who came from a litter that produced three champions (including a group placer) and three obedience titled dogs (including one UDX and one OTCH) and great drive and temperament. All the dogs in my dog's three generation pedigree are both OFAed (good or better) and champions. Many do have titles on both ends, although parents are only champions, not performance titled. For example, my dog's grandfather is a dog I knew well, a champion UD who was absolutely one of the most brilliant dogs I have ever known. I have repeatedly said that my standards for MYSELF to breed my own dog are titles on both ends. I just require some title (on either end) for other people not to be per se considered irresponsible. I have higher standards for myself than for other people. Do you find that hard to understand? Why? primrose
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 newfiemom napisał(a):Boy, you are a b**ch aren't you?!? Let's see, my mom did all health testing and OFA certification, she also required this of all studs, she also did temperment testing. All of her breeding dogs had working and conformation titles. My mom was also not sway by the current trends that you see happening with newfs these days. She stuck to what was true and how the breed should look with good working coats and not the big pumpkin heads that you see today. ALL of my dogs are healthy and free from genetic disorders. My last two males came from kennels that followed the same practices as my mom. I have no complaints. I love being questioned by a psueodintellectual! ************************** Well, I am not sure what a "psueodintellectual" is (sorry, but it was too tempting to pass up), but you are a good example of how quickly people get defensive when discussing breeding practices. Why does my mildly asking you what, exactly your mother and the breeder of your other dogs did to be considered responsible make me a "bitch?" Wouldn't you WANT to say that they had championships and "working" titles on all breeding stock as well as being OFAed? Isn't it important to tell people that is what responsible breeders do, so they don't patronize the irresponsible ones? Why are you so defensive about it? primrose
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 [quote name='"primorse"'][quote name='"Dog Lover"'][quote name='pLaurent'] So where did you get YOUR dog(s), and what breed is he/she? Parents titled at both ends? Oh, wait - they're weren't, right? ************************* ... My third dog (as you obviously know, since you seem to keep rather creepily close tabs on everything I have ever written) ... no, no no Primrose. pL is not the creepy stalker. She lives way too far away. The creepy stalker is ME! your old pal, pitbullEmily irresponsible owner of the 3rd ranked AmStaff in AKC agility (who also has a CGC and TT) and a rescued APBT. Oh wait, with that knowledge you can track me down and stalk me. darn.
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