The scam artists are at it again

[anne3149]

Mei Mei. I did not say that courtnek and newfiemum were wrong. I asked what their current stance is on the matter. There is a big difference there.

Courtnek has now told us where she stands and that is what was of interest.

No one should ever have to apologise for their opinion, we are all entitled to our opinion.

What I said was that people had been castigated for their opinion on the matter by some members. People were called trolls because they tried inform us of what was allegedly happening. That's where I thought an apology was needed, not for the opinion in itself.

[courtnek]

courtnek stands on the fence, defeated. and hurting. I wanted him to be innocent, and as I said, maybe he still is, but if he wont come forward and talk to us, I can no longer see it to try to defend him.

I declare myself no longer involved. Think of me what you will.

[DogPaddle]

K wrote:

but I cried for him (supposedly with him ) when he told me his dog was stolen and he suspected fighters or breeders were behind it

I'm with you here K. I was shocked, (instantly distrustful) and hurt when I saw pictures of "Snow" on that site. Everytime I pop in just to read a few posts I have checked RnPs posts for word of Snow White. This is what makes me sad about all this.
As for the rest of it: RnP has the right to stud and breed and sell his dogs. I don't see why he lied or mislead folks, there are breeders here. The only reasons I can think of is that RnP would know people here would dissaprove of breeding dogs that had not had proper health certifications and we would be hurt by prev. stories/lies about neutering or stolen dogs. Or possibly suspect RnP of being a serial puppy owner? I'll leave off voting, haven't been around much and I trust the mods decisions. Would like to have heard RnPs explanation though.

[Guest Anonymous]

If the above dogs were Blue Pauls, their bloodline continued in America and others were probably imported to America, England, and Ireland.

IF.... why does everyone skip all the IFs?

And, Tudor's "Black Jack" lines are not proven. Everything you said about the dog, excluding his match information is heresay....

Tudor's Black Jack
49 lbs., circa 1920
In the 1920, Earl Tudor always named Black Jack as the finest dog he had ever seen. Apparently, the dog was no slouch, as he was many times matched with dogs much heavier than he was, and he always won. As a matter of fact, he was open to whatever was available at any weight. Unfortunately, not much is known about the breeding of this dog, but the word is that he was Delihant on top side and Swineford on his dam's side. That is only hearsay, but his matches were all substantiated, and everyone who saw him proclaimed him the best!

Thank you courtnek and Miss J.... I appreciate the kind words...
Just want to respect the wishes of the members!

[Queen Bitch]

courtnek napisał(a):

courtnek stands on the fence, defeated. and hurting. I wanted him to be innocent, and as I said, maybe he still is, but if he wont come forward and talk to us, I can no longer see it to try to defend him.

I declare myself no longer involved. Think of me what you will.

I think we all wanted him to be innocent. If he was innocent it would mean that he hadn't been lying the entire time he was here. I would say give him time to give an explanation, but he has already had a very long time to do just that and hasn't.

[Guest Anonymous]

I was going to address my private box first, but i think i should drop a public letter first. My router is gone at home so i havent been able to get any internet access since early friday. What a busy weekend we have had. With all the votes for bans on me this will probably be my last post here, but let me clear the air before i go...

One- that is not MY snow white, that is a dog he got after she was gone and named her "snow white 2". He is a good friend and knew how lost i was, he had got her for me, but i didnt want to replace her. I wanted her back. I think she is his favorite, she is very sweet like my girl, just bigger. Here is my girl:

remember blue eyes and a brown ear. that dog is all white with brown eyes. so no one was mislead, Snow White is still not been found.

two- The website/ "kennel" belongs to friend of mine, as much as I hate the fact that he put my dogs on his site wthout asking.. he did it as a "thank you" to me, so I cant really be mad at him, I hooked him up with his site designer and this was his way of saying thank you. I dont know why he is telling people that they are for stud, we will have a talk about this. That is an oversight, on my and his part. I dont know what kind of responses you have been getting but i can imagine knowing him... I apologize for that. He is really a nice guy, just a little edgy.

*edited and added after the below comment* The site owner just returned my email and explained it to me. He wanted a friends dogs page, but either didnt explain it properly or she didnt understand what he was asking for. So Drey and Diallo should not be on that page, just like I told you, but she is going to be adding a new page that is just for pics of friends dogs, and things like that.

three- I NEVER.... EVER... EVER said that my dogs ears were cut by the breeder. My dogs ears were cut by the vet . I paid for them to go to a vet to be cropped and as far as I know and the records that came with my dogs indicate, that is what happened. I would never consent to a person who was not a qualified vet to cut my dogs ears, i would sooner have them natural, or have a vet here do it. As far as I know they are both vet crops done by the breeders vet. not the breeders themselves.

four- the whole banning thing. it hurts, i wont say it doesnt. but if that is how you feel, so be it.

[mnp13]

So... this new breeding site is yet another 'mistake'? Your friend listed both of your fixed dogs on his stud page as a 'thank you'? It's an 'oversite'?

What a crock....

Michelle

[kendalyn]

The website/ "kennel" belongs to friend of mine, as much as I hate the fact that he put my dogs on his site wthout asking.. he did it as a "thank you" to me, so I cant really be mad at him, I hooked him up with his site designer and this was his way of saying thank you. I dont know why he is telling people that they are for stud, we will have a talk about this. That is an oversight, on my and his part. I dont know what kind of responses you have been getting but i can imagine knowing him... I apologize for that. He is really a nice guy, just a little edgy.

This doesn't really make any sense. Why would he offer your dogs for stud if they're fixed? And how is this a "thank you"? Does it mean you get all the money from their "stud fees"?

[mnp13]

RNP - is that Snow White (the dog that was stolen) in your avatar?

[Guest Anonymous]

No my ava is Deja, Drey, and Daz.

[__crazy_canine__]

All I have to say is, you have guts even posting here RnP considering how many people think youre full of shit!

Ive tried to stay out of this but I cant help myself anymore! :evil: THings dont add up as they didnt before. I tried to be nice to you before RnP but people would be less mad at you if you didnt lie about the whole thing. :roll:

[Guest Anonymous]

The dog on the kennel website named snow.... does NOT have brown eyes RnP.

[__crazy_canine__]

Oh and another thing, those pics of Snow White "2" dont show her left ear but in the one you can just barely see a brown ear! If you notice the coloring starts farther down the ear not right at the base. To me it looks the Snow White, but then again Im only going by the pic you just showed us *shrugs*

[mnp13]

I was looking for a few other pics of Snow White (the stolen dog, not the one from your friend's website) but all of them are gone from both here and PitBullForum. Would you mind posting one or two others?

Michelle

**edit:
Never mind. I don't care to see them because I won't believe them anyway. Sorry (no I'm not). People who are truthful don't have story after unbelieveable story to tell with all sorts of fanciful explainations and endless contradictions.

You have lied a LOT on numerous boards, MANY people have defended you because they wanted to stand by their friend. You have betrayed their trust and loyalty and made many of them feel and look foolish.

What goes around comes around, and eventually you'll get what you deserve. (No, that's not a 'threat' it's called karma.)

[Aonir]

Snow in the Web site doesn't really show a picture of the left ear.. I'm surprised Deja isn't in the Web site.

[pLaurent]

A vet cropped your dogs' ears, rnp? Then why did you say this?

Okay I had the breeder crop and i think that was a bad idea too, they crop is too short and he looks kinda funny but i have seen a lot of puppies look wierd but gorw into thier ears, so i guess that is what i will have to pray for

And Drey is neutered? Then why did you ask if you should show him in conformation? Why were you trying so hard to keep him away from Deja while she is in heat?

Why do you say you don't support BYBers, and then admit that your new puppy is "probably"mixed - a "monstah blue" as you called him?

If you are going to lie about everything, at least try and keep the lies consistant and dont' think just because you post your lies on different boards that no one will see them.

[mnp13]

newfiemom napisał(a):

Well, I stand corrected. I did believe him until I have read more evidence to the contrary. However, I will not apologize for believing him and for defending him. I have always been raised to believe someone's word until proven other wise. I did want to believe his innocence just like everyone else.

You don't have to apologize for anything... it's just good you've seen enough to convince you now!

Michelle

[Guest Anonymous]

Well, I stand corrected. I did believe him until I have read more evidence to the contrary. However, I will not apologize for believing him and for defending him. I have always been raised to believe someone's word until proven other wise. I did want to believe his innocence just like everyone else.

:klacz: Agree!!

You don't have to apologize for anything... it's just good you've seen enough to convince you now!

mnp13.... do you think this apology is meant for you??
Im sorry, and maybe Im mistaken but, I dont really think anyone of these "guest" people from other boards deserve any kind of "apology" for anything! Call me crazy...
Isnt mnp13 the one who said "find one person in the bully world who doesnt respect Diane Jessup"?
Coming and telling us about our dishonest person while you seem to have pretty high thoughts about another! lol

[Guest Anonymous]

Im sorry, and maybe Im mistaken but, I dont really think anyone of these "guest" people from other boards deserve any kind of "apology" for anything! Call me crazy...

:klacz:

I don't even belong to this board and I agree to that! Some people have ALOT of nerve. Nobody asked them to come here are "inform" anybody of anything. Some people had truly good intentions that came...they care about the dogs. SOME people just like to keep mess started...especially when they have lots of incidents with their OWN dogs :wink:

[mnp13]

Hmmmm napisał(a):

mnp13.... do you think this apology is meant for you??

Did I ever say that it was? I simply commented that it was good she saw the truth.

Hmmmm napisał(a):

Im sorry, and maybe Im mistaken but, I dont really think anyone of these "guest" people from other boards deserve any kind of "apology" for anything! Call me crazy...

Did I miss the part where I am not a member of this board? Perhaps you did not see that I have a login name? Am I new to posting here? Yes, however, I have been reading this forum for quite some time... and who asked you anyway?

Hmmmm napisał(a):

Isnt mnp13 the one who said "find one person in the bully world who doesnt respect Diane Jessup"?
Coming and telling us about our dishonest person while you seem to have pretty high thoughts about another! lol

You don't have to like her, but you have to respect the work she has done for the pit bull overall. I don't agree with everything she has to say, but I can appreciate her work. And RNP is on a number of boards he's not just 'your' dishonest person.

Do people have to be 'dogmen/women' for you to accept them?

Michelle

[Guest Anonymous]

Isnt mnp13 the one who said "find one person in the bully world who doesnt respect Diane Jessup"?
Coming and telling us about our dishonest person while you seem to have pretty high thoughts about another! lol

That is just too funny!!! :D I think there are just as many pit bull people who DISAGREE with Diane as there are that agree. Respect her? Not on your life.

[Guest Anonymous]

I dont have to respect her for anything. I find it funny how you say I have to respect her....lol. She is hypocritical and dishonest.
Isnt dishonesty why everyone got on RnP so much??
And no, it doest take a dogman or woman to earn my respect....

[Guest Anonymous]

She is hypocritical and dishonest.

All you have to do is look at how she's jerking people around with this Fully Bully mag to see that!

[Guest Anonymous]

Any one who advocates on their website building spring poles at least 6 foot off the ground is not someone who I think deserves respect. She claims there is nothing wrong with letting your dog fly 12 feet in the air, landing & breaking their tails, after all "They're bulldogs!!" :evil: SHe claims to have 1 dog who has broken it's tail so many time s it is completely straight!!!!

[mnp13]

[quote name='Anonymous']

She is hypocritical and dishonest.

All you have to do is look at how she's jerking people around with this Fully Bully mag to see that!

Fine. Like her or don't like her. It's all the same to me. I have never been all that interested in Fully Bully, especially since I don't choose to afford it. I do respect a lot of the work she has done for the breed. Do I like everything she stands for and do I agree with everything she says? No, of course not.

I think dog fighters are animal abusing scum, but I know I can learn from them on wound care and how to save a dog dieing from shock instead of taking them to a vet.

Sashagirl has an excellent point. I am a member of a number of different boards, and I would HOPE that if a member here turned out to be a liar that other members of this 'community' would tell other boards about it. I work in rescue and there are DNA (do not adopt) lists all over the place - if boards didn't share information with each other then DNA's could easily board hop to do their dirty work. Sure, many slip through the cracks, but every little bit helps.

Michelle