disSanFranchised Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Lookie here: http://www.hoobly.com/listings/25883/ukc_blue_male_pit_bull_best_offer.html God, I'm so surprised. Truly. Folks, might I add that registering a username on apbtauction.com shoots off an e-mail to the e-mail address you listed, and you have to log into this e-mail address and click an activation link, then use the validation code, in order to actually participate in the site. There is no way that someone could have started an auction with R&P's e-mail address (which was used), because that person would have to log into R&P's e-mail account to even get the apbt username going, let alone get the auction going. I for one cannot believe that *anyone here believed his load of hooey, but the proof's right here. The dog is still for sale. I wouldn't be surprised if he's listed in other online classifieds as well. Sorry Drey, it's not your fault your dad wades in the shallow end of the gene pool.
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Just so you guys know before anyone says it....the creator of this thread is not a troll. But is a very well respected Pit Bull rescuer, and member of many respected Pit Bull boards. :D
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Innocent until proven guilty! Innocent until proven guilty!! :icon_rock: :roll: Not to mention - Why would somone try to 'steal' Drey's picture, then use Drey's name, location and personal information and THEN - Use Rott's paypal acount so he'd get the money for him! Wow! Generous 'scammer'! Please people... Can't you smell the stink from a mile away? :PROXY5: :WTF:
disSanFranchised Posted May 10, 2004 Author Posted May 10, 2004 ...Oh yeah, I guess that was a helluva way to make my first post here. The former thread was cross-posted on pit bull boards, and since it seemed that an admin here was either lied to by the auction site or otherwise misinformed, it seemed appropriate to point out the very obvious holes in R&P's sorry tale. I wish it were not the case, but I am not remotely surprised that poor Drey is still being peddled off to the highest bidder (best offer!) online. Sigh.
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 http://www.hoobly.com/ is design to prevent fraud, you must supply an email address to activate the account, that means the person must have access to HIS email. People commintting this kind of fraud usually do not go thru the trouble to hack into someones email account...and other personal info...
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 guest napisał(a):http://www.hoobly.com/ is design to prevent fraud, you must supply an email address to activate the account, that means the person must have access to HIS email. People commintting this kind of fraud usually do not go thru the trouble to hack into someones email account...and other personal info... You do know any average joe can make an e-mail account right...? :roll:
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 HazelNutMeg napisał(a):guest napisał(a):http://www.hoobly.com/ is design to prevent fraud, you must supply an email address to activate the account, that means the person must have access to HIS email. People commintting this kind of fraud usually do not go thru the trouble to hack into someones email account...and other personal info... You do know any average joe can make an e-mail account right...? :roll: Are youi making MORE excuses for this waste of skin when he can't even come up with a decent defense for himself?? :o
Carolk9s Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 [quote name='HazelNutMeg'] You do know any average joe can make an e-mail account right...? :roll: However, no one, not even the average joe, can DUPLICATE an existing email account. Someone else could use carolk9s@msn.com or whatever but they cannot use carolk9s@yahoo.com, that is mine and mine alone.
Jetta_Pup Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 sounds like a personel vendetta(sp) to me. and i agree that it should be taken up personally.
courtnek Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 and that email addresses can be easily stolen? along with IP addresses? once you have someone's ip, and email, the rest of it, including user information, passwords, etc, is easily obtainable. that information is all encrypted in a file and stored on your hard drive. All you need to do is know how to find it. I know many people who do, including my son's 17 year old friend. Who showed me how it;s done, and no, I wont share that information, so dont ask. If you have their ip and they have a constant internet connection (like I do) you can get into that person's PC and pull off whatever info you like. Windows doesnt even have to be up, in fact it's easier to get at if it's not. so again, Rott is innocent until proven guilty. I dont knwo where YOU'RE from but this is the U.S. and I really dont care how many people say you are "reputable"....did you simply not notice that the other thread was locked? which means, we dont want to hear any more about it til we hear what Rott has to say. Mods, I say lock THIS one as well. :agrue:
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 He said his peace..maybe he just doesn't feel like arguing with anyone. Maybe he doesn't feel the need to defend himself further becasue he knows he hasn't done anything. I'm not saying he did or didn't. But this witch hunt is getting old. I can attest for people stealing your e-mail/passwords. Someone stole my AOL account passwords a few months ago. I had to call AOL and have them reset my passwords on all my accounts because the person who stole them stole all 3 (I have 3 seperate screen names) AND changed the passwords, and locked me out of my own accounts. All you have to do is open an email encoded with a trojon virus and BAM! there you go. Any idiot with computer can do it...doesn't take a genius. Welcome to the internet..land of fantasy..world of anything can be made possible with just a few simple keystrokes, and one nice hacking program. You say we shouldn't believe RnP...so just why should we believe you? Sure seems like alot of guests popping over here in teh last week accusing people of things. Even today there is another one accusing Sizzle of PSing her dog's pic. :-? It used to be nice to come to a forum to spend some time, look at some nice pictures, read some heart touching stories, and wipe away a few tears.....now it's just a big ole soap opera. Now you have to worry about what this person and that is gonna say about you. It's really getting ridiculous. An annoying. :(
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 I have a couple questions for these "reputable" people posting from "respected Pit Bull boards". First off.... what makes these boards and the people who post on them so reputable? Becasue it is someone you have been typing to on the internet for some odd years? I would really like to know what makes them so reputable. Second...What makes you people think it is your duty to "tell us" what kind of person RnP is? He has posted some pretty good info here. He has a judge, and I doubt it is any of you. Maybe he is auctioning his dog off (I dont believe he is) but thats his business. Some people may not believe that is the best way to go about it but so what? Are youi making MORE excuses for this waste of skin when he can't even come up with a decent defense for himself?? What does it matter so much to you for? I dont get why this is such a big deal to you people?! If anyone believes RnP is doing this, they dont need to respond to his posts. Its not that hard to scroll down to the next post. We all know your accusations. We dont need you continually bringing this crap up. You want to continue to do it why not do it on the "respected pit bull boards" you are all coming from? (By the way those boards being respected is YOUR opinion.)
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 I have to say that I just don't 'get' this. I am a member over on PitBullForum.com. I know RNP from there. I never really thought there was something 'going on', however, this is a REAL stretch. When people steal pictures of other people's dogs they do not also steal the contact information. They sell dog A using a picture of dog B. When that individual gets the money they send the unsuspecting buyer dog A. That's how fraud works. They do not steal a picture of dog A and then post it for sale with the owner's contact information... because how would that benefit the thief???? I'm sorry none of you want to admit that RNP is lieing, but there is overwhelming evidence that he is. Just think about it, if YOUR dog was posted as being for sale on an auction site and you were being accused of that wouldn't you actually defend yourself and prove your innocense? I feel horrible for Drey, but you will all notice that RNP has done NOTHING to prove he still has the dog. He has a digital camera, why has he not take 3 minutes to snap a picture with today's paper, or with a dollar bill? There is no 'vendetta' agaist RNP, however there is a MAJOR vendetta against irresponsible dog owners who pose as responsible people to get help in mistreating dogs. Members here have come up with all sorts of fancy in depth senerios about how RNP's information was stolen. It's funny that a dog that is NOT for sale had the aution renewed twice on another site and now has popped up on a second auction site. To register on this new auction site you need to have email sent to your account for validation. So, you are saying that the 'picture thief' also has RNP's email account and password? And gets his email without RNP knowing? After the FIRST 'fake auction' don't you think RNP would have changed all of his username and passwords? I can't believe caring dog owners are not outraged by this. If you all want to keep him here as a 'respected member' that's fine, but it's sad that you want to keep someone around who abuses and neglects his dog - yes, I consider selling your dog online to the highest bidder as abuse and neglect. Michelle
mnp13 Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Hmmmm... napisał(a):Maybe he is auctioning his dog off (I dont believe he is) but thats his business. Some people may not believe that is the best way to go about it but so what? so what???? Selling a large un-fixed pit bull on line to the highest bidder??? You think this is responsible dog ownership? You think this is the proper way to advance the breed? Sold to the highest bidding BYB to fater a few hundred puppies, so that those of us in rescue can try to figure out what to do with them... Hmmmm... napisał(a):If anyone believes RnP is doing this, they dont need to respond to his posts. Its not that hard to scroll down to the next post. We all know your accusations. We dont need you continually bringing this crap up. You want to continue to do it why not do it on the "respected pit bull boards" you are all coming from? (By the way those boards being respected is YOUR opinion.) Oh whatEVER. Find ONE person in the bull breed world who does not respect Diane Jessup. She just happens to run PitBullForum.com. RNP was removed from that forum immediately upon finding out that he was selling his dog online. And no, it was not done until AFTER overwhelming evidence was brought up. I have read a lot of information on this board in the past few days. It seems like a great place, but if you think that on line dog auctions are 'responsible ownership' then perhaps this is not a community I should participate in. Michelle
Jetta_Pup Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 just want to add my AOL account infowas stolen while i was on AOL!! it kicked me off line said its being used by another user, i had it shut off and pass changed and in a matter of 10min they contacted some peoplein a porn site i kept getting IMs frompeople it was quite a hassle.
courtnek Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 So, you are saying that the 'picture thief' also has RNP's email account and password? And gets his email without RNP knowing? After the FIRST 'fake auction' don't you think RNP would have changed all of his username and passwords? I can't believe caring dog owners are not outraged by this. if you scroll back and read my post, you will see that's EXACTLY what I think. And it is NOT hard to do, either. Why someone would want to I dont know. But this is really starting to sound like a personal vendetta to me. Rott openly declared he is NOT selling Drey. Why would he do that if he still was? He knows people here peruse more than one board...perhaps he pissed someone off. Even if he did change his username and password, that info is still easily obtained. As far as getting his email without Rott knowing, how would he know if the emails they didnt want him to see were permanently deleted? or are you insinuating that I'm lieing about the ease of stealing this info?
Jetta_Pup Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 pluss no one is looking at the point maybe this person trying to sell the dog has the vendetta aginst RnP? maybe it was a former friend? maybe a former online friend that is now mad and wants a way to get back? how do we know that the person that started this thread isntteh one doing it to him?
Guest Anonymous Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 What you are failing to realize is no one is saying...rock solid that they think he absolutely DIDN'T do it....they are saying they are not going to lay blame on someone until they have SOLID evidence that they did whatever they are being blamed with. Not just hear someone say.."well I know he did it"..and in return accept that as the gospel truth. So many of you spout about "other boards" and what has been said. Yet there hasn't been one quote or reliable/good link for us to have a look at what you are referring to. Besides these auction sites. Show us what you are seeing and are talking about....hard to form an opinion just by what some people we don't even have a name for tell us. Sorry, most people don't just go by word of mouth, no matter from who's mouth, in cases like these. If they did I bet there'd be alot of innocent people in jail right now. :roll:
courtnek Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 so what???? Selling a large un-fixed pit bull on line to the highest bidder??? Rott has already told us (if you read the original post) that Drey is fixed.
Horsefeathers! Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Ok, well, here's what I have to say... I'm going back into the kitchen. I'd ask if anyone wants anything, but I think I'm just going to stay there. Anyone who wants is welcome to join me, though. I'm sure I have more Nyquil and Dr. Pepper and we can snack on some cough drops or mint flavored toothpicks or something (still haven't done any shopping). Let me know. Hope no one minds that I'm in my Scooby Doo pj's and fuzzy slippers. Grab your toga or whatever flips yer switch and come on.
kendalyn Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 The only real 100% proof anybody can have is if Rott 'n' Pitt were to take pictures with Drey and Diallo together with that day's newspaper. And it would help if he did it every week or so for a few months. That's the only way of proving this that I can think of. I don't know if he would be willing to do it or not. I know I would do it to clear my name if I were him.
courtnek Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 I'm sorry Abker, but I DONT agree with Michelle. All of the so-called "evidence" is circumstantial, and wouldnt hold up in a court of law. show me some hard "proof"....prove to me that no one could possibly have stolen Rotts identity ( and dont bother, I KNOW that's impossible) Proof other than what people have said about him on other sites. Prove to me he posted them. You cant. Anyone could have posted using his identity once they got that information. For instance, this site tracks IP's. You're telling me that if someone had Rotts IP, they couldnt post as him using his identity? I KNOW they could. He works all day. So do I. if his IP is NOT IN USE AT THE TIME anyone can put it in there PC and use it. My son could fire up my PC and post here, as me, saying whatever he wanted to. And it would look like I did it. He could put my IP in his PC, post as me, buy things as me, etc. In fact, he has, with my permission. So tell me again how it cant be done?
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