I need some help.....

[Guest roo]

mnp13 napisał(a):

roo napisał(a):

Oh and please inform us all of where you are tryig to get a rescue so we can all help you not :lol:
Roo

That's easy, if you have evidence that she is a BYB and is an irresponsible owner, just email a few doberman rescues, all breed rescues and doberman breed clubs. If you can back up your claims her name and info will circulate the DNA lists very quickly.

Michelle

Hi michelle, sorry i am not a dobe person and i am in the uk :lol:
but i can smell a rat from afar, the posts do not add up, ever, the topics are poop, and the answers very very guarded, thats enough evidence for ROO :lol:

[mnp13]

SexxieRacerChik napisał(a):

2 weeks ago, I was woke up to the sound of a legion of dogs barking...it sounded like the pound there were so many..I thought I was dreaming. I got up and went out ont he front porch, and there were like 20-25 dogs surrounding the dog pens, Rusty and Smiley were going banana's..Morgan was just casually lounging in front of her dog house watching the show . My dad was like "I" wouldn't go out there! I was like, "like I can't step back inside the house before they make it up here lol, come on" and stepped outside...I've never seen that many dogs in one spot off leash before. It was insane...there were boxers, and labs, and a collie, and a rottie, and a dane, and numerous mixes. People are so stupid I swear, not only is that dangerous for the dog...but formed up in a pack like that a child wouldn't stand a snowballs chance should they show up and the kid run.

What was the reason for this? Was Morgan in heat?

[Guest roo]

:o

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[Queen Bitch]

[quote name='SexxieRacerChik']Some of you people are so quick to try and jump on someone. My freaking lord, have you nothing else to do??? Seriously. :roll:


I'm so sorry hillside, I haven't had time to update my site in a while...it's on aol hometown, I have dial up, and it takes FOREVER to change stuff. I'll get right on that just FOR YOU though, so you won't have to rummage around my site trying to dig up dirt...don't you have enough dirt digging going on with RnP's saga...then to continue your crusade against me? I think you need to get over yourself already. Well golly when you say something along the lines of " Well obviously you haven't bothered to check my website lately I am done with puppies." and the self same website ( whose address was conviently buried in another thread, not readily accessable to folks unless they already knew where it was etc etc.) proclaims something else. I don't care what your internet situation is and really don't go doing anything on my behest but if you are going to refer someone to look at a website to prove that you are done with whatever, don't you think it should be an accurate one? I mean wouldn't you want to give yourself just a little credibility instead making YOURSELF look like a liar by YOUR OWN words? As far as the digging up dirt on RnP, I wasn't aware that I was involved with any sort of dirt digging in that department. And you know what, maybe I don't like you , but you know what? There are SEVERAL people here that I don't like or don't see eye to eye with, but none of them frequently come off like they are lying, be it outright or simply by ommision. None of them are irresponsible breeders.

I could honestly give 2 shakes of a rats behind less what you think of my dogs, or if you agree that I bred them. I'm not looking now, nor was I ever for your or anyone elses approval.

Since you obviously like to run behind my posts, you should have noticed that I offered HF some dober books on the 12th...and that I stated I was leaving for vacation that day...sorry but I couldn't answer you from 400 miles away..spending time with my BF was a little more important then checking forums to see if I needed to defend myself....again, for teh same thing, again.

Actuallly, no I don't "run behind your posts." I don't do searches everytime I log in to check your posts. Sorry. To give you a simple solution: If you don't want me to read or comment on any of your posts or their inconsistancies, don't bother posting anything on them on a public forum. Hmmmmm SRC, I'm not the only one who has raised the breeding issue, yet I continue to be the one who gets all the retorts back, regardless of who else has commented on it. You think maybe that if it is an issue that keeps cropping up that perhaps it really is an issue after all not just with me, but with others?

I think many of you people are rude and butt your noses in where they don't belong. Last time I checked, the dogs in my back yard were only in the "back yard kennels" because I'm having to stay at my parents right now....they usually all stay in the house when we are at "My" house. Kinda hard to have 3 full grown dogs, a 8 yr old, and 3 adults (one of which is deathly afraid of my dogs), and 3 cats all in a 3 bedroom house together. Especially since one of my dogs will eat cats, and usually has to be seperated from the other two dogs because he rough houses a little too much and knocks stuff (including small children) over in the process, thanks for asking and clearing that up though.

I decided after this breeding didn't take that it was just a good sign that I really didn't need to anymore. After I thought about it I just told the lady to forget it, and called it even. I've been at my moms for 6 months now, with no end in site and I don't want puppies born outside..plus with a BF 400 miles away I don't have time for puppies anymore, not to mention all the activities my son is in now..and as he gets older there will only be more to come..he loves sports.

My vet told me about the lady, I gave him my name and number and had the vet contact her...he didn't just hand over her personal info...he only told me about her and her dogs.

I think too many of you like to stir sh*t up. So what you don't like that I bred my dogs, it's really none of your business. I didn't ask what you thought of it, I didn't ask for your opinions...some of you just like to start trouble/controversy. Funny how people chime in though, when the person being flamed hasn't responded in 2 weeks. That's nice.

And I really think it was disrespectful of you to call me a shelter stocker....seeing how I know exactly where ALL my puppies are, and NONE are in shelters. I think I stated it before, but I'll say it again...I have people sign a notorized contract stating they cannot let the animals run loose, be chained for long periods of time, or sell/give them away without giving me the option to retain custody first. And if you will also read I didn't "make" them get their pups fixed...but I offered them a discount if they did, I think there are 10 that aren't fixed, the rest took the discount.

Actually you breeding your dogs and then after that not INSISTING on a spay /neuter contract is our business, especially since you posted about it on a public forum. You and those like you are the reason there are so many dogs in shelters. You and yours seriously undermine the effort that people who do rescue. Do you think you deserve a pat on the back for offering a discount on pups if they get them spay/neutered? So there are 10 dogs of your breeding running around intact. I wonder how many pups they have had between them? I wonder how many decendents of the dogs of your breeding are running around. I wonder how many of them have ended up in shelters, hit by cars, etc etc etc.[/color=red]

So again...you ASSumed things hillside....you really should try to stop that, it's very unbecoming attribute, especially in females.

[color=red] So I'll ASSume, and rather safely I'll bet, that you are calling me a bitch. Ce'la Vie.

Think this was snide, I don't really care...you deserve it for always trying to stir the pot onmy table and talking to me in the way you do, I do not appreciate being talked down to..by you or anyone.

And I can say with sertainty...I have not been one of your "hidden" browsers from May13th-May23rd. I do post on hidden, because I choose too, because of this very thing right here...when it started the first time..I was receiving dirty emails when I was "online"

Well with a name like "Sexxieracerchik" I really wonder why you would get dirty emails.............

so I made myself hidden, I got tired of people complaining about things they knew nothing about, and trying to tell me what I was doing before they asked. Just like now. I know none of my pups have been bred, becasue the ones that aren't fixed aren't "pets" and the ones that are pets are fixed.

[color=red] So the fact that they aren't pets makes them incapable of being bred deliberately or accidents ocurring?

Thanks for asking first before telling me what I have or haven't done (I'm glad you seem to know more about me and what I do then I do :roll:).

You know I was under the impression it was against the rules to just contiune to follow people around and flame them over and over on the same topic. :-? Anywho, you have a nice day though. :)

[bk_blue]

Whoa, where to start? :drinking: :lol:

I love the line about assuming being an unbecoming trait, ESPECIALLY in females. that is pure gold. Has totally made my day. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I am finding it hard to take SRC seriously. OK you have made some good points in other issues but face the facts, you are a BYB and it is well understood that BYBs contribute to the pet overpopulation problem. So by logic you are contributing to the problem you speak so passionately about. The rest has been ably said by others. I really don't understand why you would want more dogs when the ones you have already scare people you are living with (a situation which you yourself say is not going to change for some time) and are a danger to your other pets. That is not a responsible attitude imo. What does your mother think of you getting more dogs? Shouldn't she have some say in it if she is the one whose roof you're living under?
Think of this post what you will... I don't really care what you may say in retaliation, as attending to the funeral arrangements of my grandmother and spending time with my family are a tad more important than checking a forum to see what other stories you come up with in your defence, for the same thing, AGAIN.
Have a lovely day.
:evilbat:

[Guest Anonymous]

You know, I surfed this site and a few other dog related forums before I finally decided to join this one. I was looking for a forum to come to, sit back, read some good stories, look at awesome pictures, and converse with other people about animals without having to feel silly or stupid, like non-animal people will sometimes make animal lovers feel when they go on and on about their pets. I was looking for a forum that didn't have a bunch of people who argue and fight over stupid shit all the time.

After a month of contemplation I finally decided on this board. Because after a month I hadn't seen one thread with anyone being bashed, or criticized, or ganged up on and humiliated and ousted. I thought "now here is a community that has it's head screwed on straight", here is a community that evidently knows how to handle complicated/sticky situations properly instead of acting like children all the time, like many other forums.

Boy, was I ever mislead. No sooner did I join I had people bashing me, in my introduction thread. Then it followed to most every other thread I posted or posted in. The same issue's brought up over and over (even though the rules state that members aren't to do that). Then even when I asked for advice I got bashed and criticized.

I've watched this happen to others as well, and I've watched some of your long-standing member

[Guest roo]

BK i stand up and applaud that post :lol:
:kciuki: :kciuki: :kciuki: :kciuki:
:bigok: :bigok:

[__crazy_canine__]

[quote name='SexxieRacerChik'] I will not be back (yay, you can celebrate now the most awful member is gone!).

Well since you gave us permission...

YAY!!!! Shes GONE!!!!! :drinking:

..well you said we could :lol: Sry but I just had to say that because iM truly VERY happy.

[mnp13]

SexxieRacerChik napisał(a):

After a month of contemplation I finally decided on this board. Because after a month I hadn't seen one thread with anyone being bashed, or criticized, or ganged up on and humiliated and ousted. I thought "now here is a community that has it's head screwed on straight", here is a community that evidently knows how to handle complicated/sticky situations properly instead of acting like children all the time, like many other forums.

Boy, was I ever mislead. No sooner did I join I had people bashing me, in my introduction thread. Then it followed to most every other thread I posted or posted in. The same issue's brought up over and over (even though the rules state that members aren't to do that). Then even when I asked for advice I got bashed and criticized.

Oh boo hoo, cry me a river.

I just joined this forum, and you seem a 'bit' defensive. You started a thread about getting another dog and then you post that the THREE dogs you already have are kept in the back yard in kennels because you live live with someone who is afraid of your dogs.

Take your ball and bat and go home if you can't deal with people telling you not to be an irresponsible owner.

Michelle

[SizzleDog]

I know none of my pups have been bred, becasue the ones that aren't fixed aren't "pets"

WTF does THAT mean? :o

By the way... in my neverending pursuit of learning about the Doberman bred, I did a visual critique of a couple of her dogs. I won't post them unless Admin says it's okay - but IMO they are very informative and educational - I'll even post one I did of MY doberman, if you'd like. ;)

Admin, please let me know if I can post them.

[Guest Anonymous]

I would bet money that SRC doesnt know where probably half of her pups have ended up at....
A BYB is a BYB.... Someone who breeds for personal gain and not for the betterment of the breed. Breeding because you cant get dobies where you are!? Pretty lame excuse!
I think most did actually accept you and put the BYB thing behind them but when you come on stating you arent breeding anymore and say to check your site, when nothing had changed??!! What did you expect?
And, knowing from experience, it takes two shakes of a lambs tail to change something on even a dial up web site.... as I built one a couple years ago for my dogs.
Also, stating you havent been on for however long you said.... Um, okay... the moderators can see when you are here even if you are hidden.
Anyway... Nice post BK....

[Lucky Chaos]

Hope she's really gone this time. Last time she said she was leaving she never did. Maybe she wanted us to beg her to stay? Honestly I don't know how someone can be so ignorant and assume without a spay/neuter contract that none of her puppies or puppies offspring will ever end up in a shelter. :roll:

[bk_blue]

How immature can one woman be??

SRC if you are by chance reading this to see all the nasty things the "mob" is saying about you... well, read on. Good riddance to you and your ilk. I hope that you choose to stop breeding your dogs for the silly reasons you have stated. 'Attacks' on your views and on the breeding quality of your dogs are not attacks on your character and untli you learn that every forum is going to pose a problem for you. I hope the honest opinions of well-meaning people here have made you realise how flimsy your posts have been about certain issues. I also hope that you realise that this forum is NOT your personal stage for you to act out your dramas and I for one am sick of your hysterics. I am not normally harsh towards people but your melodrama and lies are very irritating.
I also hope you learn to spell I R A Q. Four letters and you keep calling it 'over there'. :lol:

SizzleDog napisał(a):

Admin, please let me know if I can post them.

I don't have a problem with it as long as K and Mei don't. It doesn't seem to constitute a personal attack on her (not that it matters as she has departed. *sob*)

[Queen Bitch]

I don't think it would be a personal attack either, especially since Sizzle said that she would post a critique of her OWN dog as well. I for one would love to see them.

[Queen Bitch]

Ahhhhhhhh, I LOVE liars. Of all shapes, sizes and varieties.

[SizzleDog]

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[kendalyn]

I do think it's pretty underhanded to take someone's pictures that they posted to share with other dog lovers and then use them to pick apart their dogs.

Sizzle, did you even ask SRC's permission to use her photos for this purpose? I always thought there was an implied copy right on all pictures that don't belong to you. Even if copyrights don't say so, basic ethics say you should have asked her first.

Anyone of us can look at her dogs and see they aren't breeding or show quality. It's not educational when it's that obvious. :roll:

[Jetta_Pup]

IMHO i think the pics are nessesary maybe SRT will lurk and see what her dogs are missing and why they are NoT breeding quality. if SRT has a prob she will say something being as she has been comming back w/ something to say.

[Lucky Chaos]

I wish I had saved the PM she sent me telling me just how show and breeding quality her dogs were.... Apparently people have commented on how well they fit the standard. :roll:

Sizzle, if you do critique other breeds could you possibly do Riley? He's supossed to be purebred, obviously not show quality but it'd be nice to know how he fits the standard.

[SizzleDog]

I udually only critique dobes because that's what I know - it's my breed. (and to make kendalyn happy, I edited out the photos - but I will type out my written critique later and people can refer to the photos on her website).

If you'ld like my to try, you can post photos and I'll look at the breed standards... tall ya what I think.

[SizzleDog]

Anyone of us can look at her dogs and see they aren't breeding or show quality. It's not educational when it's that obvious.

SRC stated that she thought her dogs fit the standard to a "T", and could probably do well in the show ring. That's one examply of one person who hasn't got a clue.

[marion]

Anyone of us can look at her dogs and see they aren't breeding or show quality. It's not educational when it's that obvious.

I couldn't :oops: :oops: I know diddly squat about dobermans.

[SizzleDog]

Here are my written critiques. People can refer to her website for photos.

RUSTY

GENERAL CONFORMATION
SRC says that he is 28" at the shoulder, which sits the standard's guidelines for height. Please note that dogs taller or shorter thant he standard aren't DQed - it's just a fault.
Rusty isn't balanced - he is long, with mismathed angulation front and rear. His topline is choppy, and doesn't create an elegant silhouette. He also doesn't look "doggy". His facial features are actually almost "bitchy"

Here is a drawing of the "ideal" dog:



HEAD
This dog's head is not dry - there is a lot of loose skin. His stop is much too prominent, and his planes are not parallel. His head is of decent length, however, and should not be penalized. He does have good fill below the eyes, but he is a bit cheeky, which is a fault. His eyes are round instead of almond shaped, but it should be noted that many dobes have incorrect eyes (even though most do not have round eyes, but slant eyes). It may just be the photos, but IMO he does not command a powerful, "look of eagles" expression. HIs eye shape, wet head, lippiness, and uneven planes give him a comical, "dumbed down" expression, which is very unbecoming of a Doberman.

I cannot address dentition because I haven't seen photos of his bite.

Here is a photo of a very correct Doberman head:



NECK
Very wet and throaty, lacks proper arch.

Here is the ideal neck:




BODY
Back is not short, brisket is very shallow, with no apparent tuckup. Forechest isn't defined at all, and is very weak. THis dog appears to be out at the elbows. This dog is not square, as is required by thr standard, and is one of the Doberman's most important features. Topline is level, but is choppy and is high in the rear.

Correct body:



FOREQUARTERS
Appears a bit toed-in, with hare feet and pasterns are a bit too strainght up (but not too bad). This dog is steeple fronted, and out at the elbows. His entire front assembly to too far forward. The forelegs bear 65% of the dog's weight - a good front is extremely important.


HINDQUARTERS
Cowhocked. Stifles are not well defined, but extent of deviation isn't severe. Upper and lower shanks appear to be of of equal length, which is also good. He is a bit overangulated. Feet could stand to be much tighter.


GAIT
cannot be commented on from available photos.


COAT, COLOR, MARKINGS
This can only be judged by photos, and is far from a complete evaluation. Due to poor coat condition, markings do not stand out as well as they could. Rust color appears to be true, but bose coat could be darker. Coat would be faulted heavily int he ring because of its contidion (as seen from photos only)



I'll do the others later if i have time... writing out a critique takes ahwile!

[Guest Anonymous]

Ya learn something new every day! Thanks for that Sizzle! :D

[DogPaddle]

That was educational. Thanks.