Guest Anonymous Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 I have bought a dogue and she is 7.5 months old and i am not sure if she is a cross or not is there any way of telling, we have fell in love with her now so shes here to stay anyway but i was going to breed her and she is at her first season and has been confined to the garden, my problem is, if she isnt full breed i will have her spayed, is there a real way to check this, Quote
Aonir Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 If she doesn't have papers, there is no way of telling. You also shouldn't breed if she doesn't meet up to breed standards. Re-consider breeding by going to a shelter and ask how many dogs are PTS daily. You'll be surprised of the number. Do you really want to add to the over-population problem? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 i have papers but i am doubting them because i feel she is small, i have tried to match her with pics on the net and a general standard but i am a little confused, pts? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 pts=put to sleep please reconsider breeding. there is no need for your dog to have pups. just give her a good home and love her. would you be as eager to get your daughter pregnant? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 good point but i want to breed my dog, and i need all the advice i can get but if she is not the breed the papers say she is, i wont carry on with it then i wont have a pts problem, this is my dilema, i want to do this properly[/img] Quote
Aonir Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 Just because your dog is purebred, and has papers, and the puppies are purebred and have papaers, doesn't mean the pups won't be PTS. Most the dogs in pet shops have papers, and VERY few of them live to be 5. Research on the population problems. Research on the breed standard OVER and OVER again. If she doesn't seem to even make it as a show dog, the fact is she isn't breeding quality either. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 ok I am from uk on the outskirts of london, this dogue is rare and sort after, i have always been fascinated by this breed even though we dont get on much with the french, i have always wanted to breed, i understand your plight i really do but i feel i will find homes easily for these pups, so pts is possible yes, as you say even pet shop pups get put to sleep, i also beleive there is a moral dilema, and i have to consider the welfare of my animal, but in this case of me wanting to and not discussing it first with people who know what they are talking about would be irresponsible. Quote
Lucky Chaos Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 If you must breed why not breed quality dogs? Your bitch has papers she can be shown. Show her and prove her worth to be bred, then study breeding. And I don't mean study when she's pregnant, most breeders study about breeding, and their dogs pedigree and the sire's pedigree for a year or more. Responsible breeders never just throw two dogs together. Don't become a back yard breeder, if you really must breed do it RIGHT. Quote
Lucky Chaos Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 Take a look at this topic http://forum.dogomania.com/viewtopic.php?t=11981 Quote
Lucky Chaos Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 I apologze for the triple post. Why don't you join us telboy? There are a few breeders on this site who I'm sure would be willing to help you become a good and responsible breeder. :D Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 that was the most sensible reply yet, i will have to wait to see what she looks like when she matures, may show her then breed her. Quote
Nookie Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 Here's the downside of breeding.Your dog MAY die during pregnacy or even a c-section.If you watch the chow chow in ''That's My Baby'' on Animal Planet,the friend's chow died after having a c-section!Would you want your beloved pet to die from taking a risk?Is it really worth it.And with such a breed like yours it could have a big litter.How would you feel when one of the 5 pups die?How would you cope with that?And then maybe you decided to keep one.So then 3 pups left.The outcome could be one would be a GREAT family pet,the second pup could be neglected and abuse,and the third a dog that couldn't be socialize so now its off to the shelter.People pass by the cages and buy the perferable small pug or chihuahua.Then the pup would be put to sleep.Is that really what you want?Think about your dog,does she really want to go through labor?All that pain,and maybe even death?What if when she's taking off the after-birth she chokes on it and dies?If you really love your dog,spay her and not only would she be happier,but she'll have less behavioral problems :P Quote
anni's.mom Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 AND FINALLY, you express concern over your dog's size. take a closer look at her. how FAR from the breed standard is her conformation and color? you're already questioning the authenticity of her "papers", if you breed litters of pups from a female who greatly departs from the official standrd for the breed, or if she is indeed a mix, the pups are worthless. unless, of course, you fob them off on a pet store or some neighbotrhood idiot who decides to fight them, or breed even more pups. you don't sound as though you know your butt from the broad side of a barn. that being said, i hope you choose not to breed. Quote
Ickle Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Why do you not get in touch with the KC and ask them to recommend a dogue specialist who could look at your bitch I am almost afraid to tell you that in my area I know of four dogues who have already been through a re-homing process. A friend of my husband has just lost the one he rescued it unfortunately died of bloat/ Please Please think very carefully before you breed Ickle Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 If you must breed why not breed quality dogs? Your bitch has papers she can be shown. Show her and prove her worth to be bred, then study breeding. And I don't mean study when she's pregnant, most breeders study about breeding, and their dogs pedigree and the sire's pedigree for a year or more. Responsible breeders never just throw two dogs together. Don't become a back yard breeder, if you really must breed do it RIGHT Show her and prove her worth... :lol: :lol: that is soooo funny...I have seen the most unhealthy dogs in the show rings. Possibly the worst dogs are shown...genetic problems etc. If you want to know about breeding take a 3 year course in genetics and find out what its all about....you'd be surprised. People who breed purebreds don't know what they are doing and are ruining dogs. :evil: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Any dog that is bred should be proven. I agree 100% with showing the dog before attempting to breed. Although, you have expressed that the dog is not "to standard". So I do not understand why you are even thinking of breeding? Papers are hung every day. The only way to know the papers are not hung is to purchase a dog from a well known reputable breeder, and that is still not a guarantee. Quote
Lucky Chaos Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 [quote name='northern dogs']If you must breed why not breed quality dogs? Your bitch has papers she can be shown. Show her and prove her worth to be bred, then study breeding. And I don't mean study when she's pregnant, most breeders study about breeding, and their dogs pedigree and the sire's pedigree for a year or more. Responsible breeders never just throw two dogs together. Don't become a back yard breeder, if you really must breed do it RIGHT Show her and prove her worth... :lol: :lol: that is soooo funny...I have seen the most unhealthy dogs in the show rings. Possibly the worst dogs are shown...genetic problems etc. If you want to know about breeding take a 3 year course in genetics and find out what its all about....you'd be surprised. People who breed purebreds don't know what they are doing and are ruining dogs. :evil: I'm not a show person,but I think that dogs should have to be shown in order to be bred. I would also like it if they had to prove themselves in another way, like doing what they were bred for (like making sure a border collie can still herd before its bred). So ALL purebred breeders are ruining dogs? Explain to me how that is so. :lol: I assume you breed mutts? Well maybe at one time all dogs came from mixed breeds, but now all mixed breeds come from purebreds do they not? Quote
drjeffrock Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 I must say that there is a tiny, tiny bit of truth to northerndogs post. I dont know much about every single breed, but I have personally seen some Akitas win titles that had absolutely no business in the show ring. People love to whine about showing being all politics and not based on merit. Most of the time this is not true. However, I have seen a judge give an Akita a BIS title to her friend who also breeds Akitas without even inspecting the other dogs in the show. The Akita that won BIS died of some genetic related illness two months after the show. The judge that awarded the prize is also known in some circles as breeding a tough line. She has quietly had to put some of her keeters to sleep for aggression and biting people. That being said, I still firmly believe that dogs should be shown and PROVEN before breeding. Unfortunately a good looking pedigree is no guarantee that you will produce pups that will better the breed. Just my opinion. 8) Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 If you want to know about breeding take a 3 year course in genetics and find out what its all about....you'd be surprised. People who breed purebreds don't know what they are doing and are ruining dogs. You know what??? I have never had a genetics course and I am producing some of the top American Pit Bull Terriers in the country. And I can guarantee I am not ruining my breed. All it takes is knowing the breed, knowing what line compliments what line and knowing when to breed and what dog should or shouldnt be bred. You have to do health testing. You cant take some piece of crap dog and breed it to a dog of higher quality and expect to get top dogs. You do not have to have a Masters in genetics to breed high quality dogs. :roll: Quote
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