AmStaff's and Pitties aren't the same thing are they?

[abker17]

From the studying I've done on the Pittie, AmStaff's are a different breed from the Pit Bull. Is this correct? :-?

At another board I'm at someone made this remark:

Just an FYI...the American Pit (notice the ONE "t") Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier are the same breed just different names. I've learned and studied the breed for 20 years before finally ending up with 3 of my own

American Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers all come in the same exact colors. There is no "this breed comes in this color and that one comes in those colors" thing going on in this breed.

Quick history:

In 1936 the American Kennel Club accepted the very first American Pit Bull Terrier into it's registry owned by Mr. Colby. However the American Kennel Club refused to use the "Pit Bull" part of the breed name. They changed it and then changed it again to Staffordshire Terrier. When the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (a totally seperate breed) was finally accepted in they changed the Staffordshire Terrier to the American Staffordshire Terrier.

Just a quick history for those who don't know.

So is that true? :-?

[Guest Anonymous]

Here's the best information I can offer you...this link!!

http://www.workingpitbull.com/amstaffpit.htm

Enjoy and good luck! :D :D

[Taurus and Jada]

Thanks... that was a very informaive site. I'm always looking for more reads regarding staffs and pits.

[abker17]

Thanks Nic!!!!! :calus: I had seen the site before, and added it to my favorites but somehow it got delete. :-? :x Anyways, thanks again. :)

[Guest Anonymous]

Top 5 of the most heavily debated parts of the apbts history. :P

Technically they are from the same breeding, mush like tmuch like all dogs come from the wolf. But, also along with that what makes dogs different is selective breeding for vairous traints. while the coat color was never a big thing for either breed so neither was selectively bred for that trait. but they were bred for two very differnt tasks. the conformation or looking like a good pit bull, and the ability to actually perform like a pit bull. selectively breeding for these two things has made the dogs different. I would say its the equivalent of a miniature poodle to the standard poodle, they are obviously related but only in the history they are now different breeds of dog. Now it is true that some dogs have been dual registered as both breeds. i heard somewhere that your dog can only be registered like that is one of the dogs in its pedigree are too. ( :oops: dont quote me on that, but it was something to that effect)

[gooeydog]

There is no "this breed comes in this color and that one comes in those colors" thing going on in this breed.

They're wrong on this part. While red (liver) noses occasionally show up in purebred AmStaffs, they are very rare, and are either a major fault or a disqualification (I don't remember which) in the conformation ring.

i heard somewhere that your dog can only be registered like that is one of the dogs in its pedigree are too

All the dogs in the pedigree have to be dual registered as AmStaff/APBTs in order for a pup to be registered as both. I think they can also be registered if one (or more) ancestor isn't registered, but has a pedigree that can clearly be traced back to APBT or AmStaff lines, whichever they are not registered as.

The way I feel on the APBT/AmStaff thing is that for pretty much all intents and purposes, showbred APBTs (even a lot of "pet" and/or scatterbred APBTs as well) and AmStaffs are the same "breed". Neither has really been bred (in most cases) with any specific purpose or work in mind, just looks, temperament, etc. AmStaffs and performance bred APBTs though, yes, I would probably consider two different "breeds", but then I think the same could also be true about show/pet/?bred APBTs and performance bred APBTs... the performance bred dogs ARE being worked, are being selected based on their working ability, temperament, soundness, etc; the AmStaffs and show/pet/?bred APBTs are generally not, and it's been this way for a while. As you can probably tell, this is something that I even confuse myself on :oops: I think though that the whole AmStaff/APBT argument (not that we're having one, but even people who own/show/love the breeds get into discussions on this, and often get quite heated) is a null point, because when it comes down to it, they're both in the same boat, which is sinking fast in some areas where BSL has or will be passed.

[GIXXSTER]

From what I was told when I first got my APBT was that they (Pitbulls) are all the same just a different name. When the AKC started registring "Pitbulls" they didn't want dog fighting associated with them so they called the APBT an Amstaff. But I've have read alot of info that says other wise. I guess it depends on who you talk to.

I wish I could help more but I'm still new to the APBT thing (and I thought I was done learning after high school, lol).