Aonir Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 http://www.snap4thedogz.org/ I think you'll like this..! Here's a teaser ;) Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 Oh that's so evil! I WANT I WANT I WANT! I can only imagine how much Dal's guna want him!! :lol: :angel: Quote
abker17 Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 Aw!!!!!!! :loveu: :calus: What a cutie! DAL will love him! I also think she'll like these, they're cute: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 OMG!! soo cute!!! lol someone on hh showed me that one and she got adopted already!! thanks for posting int htough. i can NEVER get enough of the Double blue merle aussies!! and i love that click art! i'm gonna steal lol ok? i'm putting it in my sig!! WHOO!! keep the pictures coming! lol glad to knwo it's not just me posting pictures of deaf aussies, glad to knwo that there are other people who are intersted in them ( or at least thinking about me ! ) Quote
courtnek Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 DAL, forgive me for my ignorance, but I always thought that your dog being deaf was a fluke.... Is this a somewhat common trait for Aussies? :oops: Quote
behle Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 The pup is a real cutie! I'm with Courtnek here. I'd like to know as well. Is the deafness a fault of the breeding? I was wondering why any breeder would deliberately take the chance of deaf pups when they plan their litters? Or is it just an accident? I am curious about the circumstances of the deafness. Does anyone have the explanation? :confused1: Quote
abker17 Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 I'm with Courtnek here. I'd like to know as well. Is the deafness a fault of the breeding? I was wondering why any breeder would deliberately take the chance of deaf pups when they plan their litters? Or is it just an accident? I am curious about the circumstances of the deafness. Deafness is a fault, from what I understand. I certainly hope no breeder tries to breed deaf Aussies. :o :-? When there is two merels bred together, it usually results in deaf puppies. There are so many BYB's out there, that don't know this, that when they breed thier two merle dogs, they get deaf pups and the pups usually end up in rescue. There are many many deaf dogs out there in need of adoption because of this. I hope that anwsers u're question...... DAL can probably explain better........... Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 yeah, Abker is righft. It doesn't only conclude in deaf puppies though, they can be blind, and I THINK "Their" trying to figure out if it causes other internal problems too. I heard of this only once before, and then of course once I had Dal in my grasp asked her questions and she answered best she could and sent me some great info! It's really interesting, yet very sad at the same time :( here's a question for ya though Dal... If you breed a Red Merle and a Blue Merle can the same results happen? Cuz their both Merles, but yet their different colors... Just curious. Quote
courtnek Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 Thanks - that helps.... It sounds like a recessive gene carried in the merles, that becomes dominant when they're bred together.... My ex has a manx (tailess cat) and while looking up some info for him I found out that you cant breed the tailess ones for more than 5 generations...they should be bred with tailed ones to prevent a recessive gene issue that can kill them by the fifth generation...I didnt even know there were tailed ones!! genetics are so weird sometimes.... Quote
abker17 Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 My ex has a manx (tailess cat) and while looking up some info for him I found out that you cant breed the tailess ones for more than 5 generations...they should be bred with tailed ones to prevent a recessive gene issue that can kill them by the fifth generation...I didnt even know there were tailed ones!! Whoa, that is weird! :o I've never heard that before........ :o Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 Many dogs that have exeissive white have hearing problems. NOT ALL ( please dont attack me if you have a white dog ) i mean like the boxers and great danes and aussies who have alot of white most have hearing problems.. Most Aussies that are deaf is becuase they were from Merle to Merle breeding ( as in Codys case ) they took a red merle and a re merle, or a blue and blue or red and blue merle and breed them, becuase it has a higher percentage rate of getting a Merle puppy ( who make lots of money .. they are more expensive then a tri colored or bi colred aussie ) Cody's parents were both Blue Merles and all but 1 was deaf in his litter. I know someone who bought a beautifuyl blue merle, only to find out it was from a merleXmerle breeding she's beautiful but not deaf and does not have exessive white on her.. understand? not all puppies from merle to merle are deaf/blind but more then 85% of them are ;) Cody was from a BYB who "didn't know what breeding 2 merles would do" well that is what she told the rescue group she gave cody to, after then convinced her not to have him put down. most breeders have the deaf/blind pups put down... but luckily my angel was not and he's safe with me and will be until the day he dies from old age ( or if anything medically wrong happens.. cancers... ext ) hope that helps!! i agree.. i didn't know you could be so crule! lol i have had to stop looking at them becuase iw ant them all. if i could i'd have a house run by deaf/blind aussies!! they are just the best thing in the world! i get great satisfaction over the accomplishments i've done with cody ;) Quote
courtnek Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 thank you DAL - actually I would have thought blindness (maybe something akin to albinoism) in dogs that are white - a pigmentation problem of some sort - so maybe it is a recessive gene.... I didnt know ANY of this, so I'm sorry if I might have upset you by ignorance...I havent really followed the history of Aussies...thank you for the information. I really do learn something everyday here.... :) Quote
courtnek Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 It's really a shame too,. because the blue merles are just BEAUTIFUL... I hope they find a way to keep the coat without the deafness problem.... Quote
abker17 Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 I really do learn something everyday here.... U're not the only one Courtnek....... :) Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 It's really a shame too,. because the blue merles are just BEAUTIFUL... I hope they find a way to keep the coat without the deafness problem.... Correct me if I'm wrong here Dal! :wink: But You can get a merle if one dog has merle in the background. You can take a Blue Merle Male, breed it with a Black Tri Female, and some puppies can turn out Merle and with not such a high risk of health problems! Just the uneducated ones who want the merle puppies think they'll get more money because they figure if you breed a merle and merle, you get all merle puppies so therefore, more money! They only think of this, and don't concider the health risks :-? Quote
Guest Mutts4Me Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Something I noticed when this was posted a few weeks ago: http://www.petfinder.com/deafweek.html was that 1) Aussies, Dalmatians and Pit Bulls seemed to be highly represented, and 2) nearly all the dogs pictured were mostly white. So Dalmatians have a genetic tendency of deafness, right? I think I've known that for a long time. And this thread has discussed the Australian Shepherd double merle issue, but what with the many pit bulls? Is that genetic, too? And they are mostly white. So why are white dogs of certain breeds (pit bulls, plus a few Danes on that page) more prone to deafness than, say, an all white breed like the Samoyed? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Courtnek your right it's a Gene that is in the merles that becomes the dominant gene causing the double merles to be blind/deaf.! Shara the same thin can happen if a red Merle and Blue merle are breed together. they both have the ressive Gene to make the merle! Courtnek you didnt not offend me in any way,shpae or form. i think it's great that you ( and everyone ) are open minded enough to learn about it! ( many breeders of Aussies walk away when they see Cody or hear i have a double merle .. ASSHOLES! ) ifyou guys have ANY questions, please feel free to ask. i am not sure i coverd everyone's questions, so if i left one out let me know and i'll answer it!! Quote
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