I hope this isnt "inflammatory"....

[Guest Anonymous]

Okay my last one got closed.... SO i will try again in a less assertive way.
Why do you want to have a pit bull? I am not bashing I really want to know. With all of the stigma and the people trying to get them banned isnt it easier to get a dog of another breed? Parents and kids running from you and scared and the stares and the stories, no insurance and hard placement, muzzle rules and all. It just seems like a lot of trouble and hassel. I just see a lot of attacks on TV and in the papers there is a lot of fact behind it. just curious.....

[Rowie-the-Pooh]

K napisał(a):

"We" want to have the right to own the breed of our choice be it Pit ,Presa or Dogo..."We" are not the people ruining the breed and causing the stories you are reading about in the paper..please remember that over 72 % of the dogs identified as Pits during/after an attack turn out NOT to be Pits at all...why A Pit Bull you ask....the smile!..have you ever seen a bigger, more friendly,open and above all honest smile?...I'll tell you not on any human you havent...the attitude...the Pit is a "can do" dog...run a mile with you?..can do! laze on the couch watching TV with you?..can do!...fetch that ball?..can do!...finish that agility course?...can do!...all round athelete and super cuddlers... and an amount of loyalty you could never question...the stigma does not bother us...we are learning to turn the other cheek...at the end of the day people giving us grief are only jealous that they dont have the wonderful dogs that we do!

Excellent post, K! :D Don't have anything to ad...

[Guest Anonymous]

But admittedly from many pit bull owners mouths the dogs are aggressive and dominant and hard to handle. they can be very stubborn and in the wrong hands deadly not only to pets and children but grown men and women too. When i see a pit bull i have no way of knowing anything about the dog or how it was raised so I err with the side of caution i cross the street and stay well away. These dogs are bred to fight and kill. they dont feel pain, they have tremendous strength in thier bodies and jaws. they have so much endurance, all of these attributes are for the fight. Right or wrong? Now i see that you are changing the dogs and utilizing the abilities for good but how hard is it? its so much easier to let the dog use them for bad and thats what a lot of pit bull owners do. They are getting these dogs because they are so tough and because they are so strong and because people are scared of them, they use barbaric traing methods to make the dogs distrustingof humans and allow the to bite and attack strays cats and dogs to let them get used to killing. These dogs are like a canine frankenstein. The choice parts of all thes different animals heightened to the point where the average person cant handle them. They are as high as they are in the bite polls for a reason, they are the subject for BSL for a reason, they are feared by the masses for a reason. and that reason is instinct. There has got to be a reason besides a "smile" that makes these dogs so precious to thier owners, any breed of dog can do these things and they are more accepted by people and you wont get evicted for having one.
again if I sound like im inciting a fight, im not trying to i just really dont understand this and i need to know.
thank you.

[midori115]

I was not going to respond, but I will --- only to suggest that you do a bit more research. here are some web sites to begin.





I will also tell you that I live in a not so great neighborhood of Baltimore city and I see some very mean dogs every day .... pits, rotties, boxers, labs, cocker spaniels ..... yes, there are a lot of pit bulls, and I do stay away from ALL strange dogs. I have a 6 month old puppy ... a mutt .... 2 of his best friends are pits - the sweetest dogs I've ever met. The worst experience I ever had with a dog was with a jack russell. I was walking my pup - on lead - and the woman who owned the jack - who was on a really long lead -- let her dog run right up to mine and the little thing took a chunk out of my oscar's nose! oscar didn't even have a chance to get defensive -- he loves everyone! but the grip of that jack was incredible. we had to pry him off oscar's face where he had grabbed hold. now, we think oscar's part pit, but he never went for the jack -- even as I pried the little dog off his face. sorry it's such a long story. that's all I'll say.

[midori115]

sorry ..... here you go ....

http://www.paw-rescue.org/petbulls.html

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/amerpit.html

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/

http://www.realpitbull.com/

http://www.pitbullpress.com/

[Guest Anonymous]

imnot "picking" on the pit bull but it is the breed of dog that has the most going against it. the most scepticism, the most BSL, the most hatred and the most fear. so i want to hear from owners of the breed why it is such a great dog.

as far as the jaw pressure thing it is true, there is no way to measure how much they have but it a fact they they are in comparision to size MUCH stronger than any other breed of dog. a 30 lb pit bull is much more deadly than 30lbs of any other breed. As far as the aggression im not talking abou twhat they are bred for im talking about twhat they are raised for. and if you would open your eyes up to the big world you would see that most people are not useing these dogs as responsible as you are. the fact that you have those horrid pictures proves it.

these dogs have a sky high pain threshold. I saw tape of a pit bull attack they shot the dog in the chest and it still ran after them trying to bite! Once they decide to do somehting nothing short of completion of the task can stop them. Toss that in with the factor that most pet bites dont occur to strangers and it just makes me that much more nervous.

[Rosebud]

:-?

I was going to stay out of this but feel I need to make a few points as well.

pit-curious napisał(a):

imnot "picking" on the pit bull but it is the breed of dog that has the most going against it. the most scepticism, the most BSL, the most hatred and the most fear. so i want to hear from owners of the breed why it is such a great dog.

Don't forget that they also get the most media attention, which is where all the other hype is coming from.

as far as the jaw pressure thing it is true, there is no way to measure how much they have but it a fact they they are in comparision to size MUCH stronger than any other breed of dog. a 30 lb pit bull is much more deadly than 30lbs of any other breed. As far as the aggression im not talking abou twhat they are bred for im talking about twhat they are raised for. and if you would open your eyes up to the big world you would see that most people are not useing these dogs as responsible as you are. the fact that you have those horrid pictures proves it.

This is the main problem, drug dealers, dog fighters and irresponsible breeders are the ones giving the breed a bad rap. A German Shepard, Doberman or Rottweiler can be trained to be just as dangerous and people aggressive by the wrong people. Another point to remember is that the dog fighters and drug dealers use to use the other breeds to guard and fight with, now they use pitts.

these dogs have a sky high pain threshold. I saw tape of a pit bull attack they shot the dog in the chest and it still ran after them trying to bite! Once they decide to do somehting nothing short of completion of the task can stop them. Toss that in with the factor that most pet bites dont occur to strangers and it just makes me that much more nervous.

I have also heard of and seen on shows, how a 100lb man picks up and moves a car off of someone, how a German Shepard dog was shot three times before it fell, because it was trying to protect it's owner. I personally know of someone who after a car wreck walked around talking to people with 3 major pelvic fractures and a collapsed lung.

People and Dogs will do amazing things when the adreline level is running high is dangerous and stressful situations so this is not something that is isolated to Pit Bull breeds.

:angel:

[Guest Anonymous]

The jaw pressure thing is NOT true. It has NOT been proven. I've read artices on it I know. I will post the websites when I find them.

The whole reason the breed has got a bad rap is because of STUPID people who own them to look tough which is NOT the majority of the people who know them. Most Pit owners are VERY responsible people. Also the other reason the breed has a bad rap is because of the media. Whatever the media says goes if you haven't noticed. It has gotten over its GSD, Chow Chow, and Doberman stages and now the media has decided to move along to Pit Bulls and Rotties.

I saw a GSD attacking someone and it kept going after getting shot. Like I've said before ALL dogs are pontentially dangerous...

Oh don't worry. We have LOTS of Pit Bull owners on this site that would LOVE to enlighten you.

[Guest Anonymous]

Its a FACT that pound for pound the pit bull is the strongest breed of dog ever. Look it up. When they do those weight pulls they have 50lb pit bulls pulling as much as 130 lb malamutes. and they are not strong? just think of the strenght that a pit bull of 130 lbs... mind boggling.
and i guess that came out wrong i shouldnt have said most owners fight their dogs, what i shoul dhave said it that those are the ones that get the press and the media attention. So those are the ones that are shown to the world, so what do you think the general concensus is about your breed of choice? I am sure that there are lots of people that dont breed for fighting purposes they breed those staffordshiers. the watered down pit bulls that dont fight. even those are included in BSL though.

[Carolk9s]

I agree too with K and the others, pits have many GOOD qualities that responsible ownership can build on.
ALL dogs have the potential to have 'issues', all BREEDS have personality traits that can dictate that they are not the breed for everyone.
I have a Belgian Sheepdog, it is perhaps lucky that my exposure to the breed prior to getting Jesse was limited to well behaved, relatively calm dogs. Since then, I have seen and heard of some Belgians who have very poor temperaments. Granted most Belgians don't have the strength and perseverance that many pits do, but they are powerful dogs and one intent on ripping your face off might just succeed. I have had a female Belgian leap at my face and give me a closeup view of ALL of her teeth, she was not playing either. Lucky for me she was A. on a leash, and B. 'only' giving me a warning. Having learned about the iffy temperaments of some Belgians, I still love the breed and want another male when my Jesse is gone.
I do question the 'need' of continuing to breed dogs that are dog aggressive and not trying to breed away from that trait while preserving the excellent qualities but I don't want to go into that right now.
It's a shame that the actions of too many irresponsible owners affect the rights of responsible people to seek out the dog of their choice.
I also believe that 'pit bull' attacks on people are terribly sensationalized.
SO many, if not all, attacks are strictly the fault of the idiot who bred and/or owns the dog.
Example, my sister may be getting a foster dog, a Chihuahua. The dog was dumped in foster care because the owner put the dog in the bed with a sleeping child. At some point, the dog bit the child, no great harm to the kid, the child may have inadvertently kicked or rolled on the dog. Now this dog first ended up in a kill shelter and it's future was uncertain due to the fact that she had bitten a child. Chi rescue was able to get her and will place her in a home with NO children.
So was the dog at fault? Is the entire breed suspect? Or did the owner let the dog down and set the situation up herself? This dog could have been euthanized because of this bite.

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't know if you checked out this thread before but it's some what about this same topic.

http://forum.dogomania.com/viewtopic.php?t=804&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Here are some of the replies that I think apply to this same thread, that are extremely well written and truthful. I hope the authors do not mind me quoting the.

Roo wrote:

"The reason the pit is getting it at the moment, is because the press and the anti dog bragade are joined, somewhere, somehow. breeds are picked off at ramdom, yes the pit has had alot of press recently, but go back a bit the gsd had loads of bad press, the dobe, at bit, the rot loads,
in most cases once the breed is in the press, the iffy's want one.
If breeders were only more selective, if only owners were more responsible, if the press only stopped picking on one breed at a time, and told of the horrors that crossbreeds have done, then the general public would know the truth"

Aurelius Victor wrote:

Although I definitely believe both breeders and owners share the blame for the horror stories we all hear about pit bulls, I think owners share a bigger share for two reasons:

1. Although instinctual behavior is signigicantly more prevalent in canines than in humans; I firmly believe that a dog that was bred to be vicious can 'beat' his genes with a strong, dominant, yet loving owner. However, someone who is getting a pit bull that was bred for ferociousness probably isn't going to be very responsible or loving. This leads to the more significant conclusion that,

2. The demand for vicious pit bulls by irresponsible potential owners drives irresponsible breeders to supply ferocious pit bulls. If society can get rid of the demand (through harsher penalties that are actively enforced); or if society could make it unprofitabe to supply (again using the previous tactics) - maybe the problem wouldn't be so bad and everyone could benefit - especially the poor dogs who are depending on man to do the right thing for them.

And I wrote:

Dog fighting and human aggression, or ANIMAL aggression and human aggression are not the same thing. A dog can have both animal and human aggression, but if a Pit bull is animal aggressive it will not lead to human aggression. They are not related.

Fighting dogs (pit bulls) were bred, to NOT bite humans...in most cases "man biters" were culled. Would you like to get into the ring with an injured, man biting dog fighter? Probably not so much. It is not likely that dog fighters are the cause of human aggressive Pit bulls, it would just be far too risky for them to have a man biting dog....not to say there are none.

I personally think that the people, not dogs to blame are backyard breeders. People trying to feed the demand for human aggressive Pit bulls. They are breeding litter after litter of dogs with unknown, and possibly dangerous temperments and backgrounds. They are not checking the parents, the grandparents, the dogs health..they are simply making a profit.

Also I think a lot of the time that you hear about a "Pit bull attack" or a vicious Pit bull that they are not always Pit bulls. I think there are a lot of uneducated breed guessing going on...and if the dog has a blocky head, stocky body, short sleek coat and cropped ears, or not...it can only be a Pit bull.

Not to mention the fact that there are a lot of mixes, and they seem to never mention the mix...which could possibly explain the aggressive nature of the dog. If the mix is a guardian breed..then that would explain why it was acting aggressive, would it not? But instead it's only the Pit bull being blamed.

I am not saying there are no so-called "bad pit bulls" out there, but I do not think they got their by themselves. And dog can be tought or conditioned in some way (abuse, neglect, isolation) to be aggressive. It simples takes a person to do it. Even if there is a Pit bull who was born aggressive, their breeder should be educated and care enough about the breed and the public to NOT breed the probably aggressive parents. If there is an aggressive Pit bull, the owners should have the sense to put it to sleep.

Sadly we cannot rely on the senses of the owners, because far to often they are simply senseless, clueless and or know exactly what they have and like it. In those cases the dog gets blamed unfairly.

I just do not believe a dog wakes up one day and goes, hrmmm Im really bored today..lets go maul my owner. Sorry to be so harsh..but there are signs along the way leading up to each attack. Maybe the owner is too neglectful, stupid, uneducated, careless, dangerous..because they are looking for a vicious dog...but there are signs, if you look for them. Any dog, of any breed can or will bite under the right circumstances. The problem is the wrong people have their hands on this breed.

It is a very powerful breed, it does have the capablity of doing some serious harm...it can bite, maim or kill. But just because it can, does not mean it will.

After all that rambling on and on, I think it's people who are to blame. I think people at some point either neglected to cull the aggressive dogs from greed, demand or lack of knowing any better. And the dogs cannot stop or help what a human has started.


This is a great book you might want to check out....

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

For some truth about why and what type of dog breeds attack. It's not just Pit bulls.

As far as why would we want to own a Pit bull here's my reason why...and since a picture is worth a thousand words here you go....

They have been good with children, historically and presently...





They can be wonderful with other dogs, then and now.....





They can be great with other animals, then and now...





They make great show dogs, then and now..





They are beautiful, then and now..





They are smart, then and now...





They are great atheletes, not the best then and now..





They do have great smiles, then and now...





They are funny, then and now..





Some random pictures...





Plus they are HEROES....then and now...

Stubby



A "For Pits Sake" search and rescue dog...



Info about them.. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/sarpits.html

Here's a whole bunch of heroic Pit bulls actually.... http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pospress.html

[Guest Anonymous]

pit-curious napisał(a):

again if I sound like im inciting a fight, im not trying to i just really dont understand this and i need to know.
thank you.

Can I ask why you NEED to know?

[Guest Anonymous]

those american stafordshire terriers are the pit bulls in the akc, they are not bred for fighting. They are from pit bulls the dogs split people who wanted fighting dogs kept breeding pit bulls people who wanted dogs that looked the part but lacked the drive bred the staffordshires. Those dogs are directly from the same dogs as the pit bulls and in that way are a diluted form. yet every bit as included in the BSL.
as far as why i need to know, i dont have a pit bull... oviously. but i am looking in the pit bull and am finding lots of bias and lots of laws and lots of effort going to hve these dogs banned. so i wanted to voice all of these things i am coming across to pit bull owners/ breeders/ and lovers to see what te driving force is that makes them fight so hard to keep the dogs.

the main thing i find is that people dont like to be told what to do. and the government telling them that these dogs are bad and should be banned just makes those shady haracters want them all the more. the bans are going up all oer the world and here at home the fight is strong too. there is a lot of commotion going on and it behooves me to hear both sides of the story. I think all people should do the same before they make a final decision to ban an entire breed of dog. especially when that breed ban is also going to include so many other dogs that just happen to "look like" the pit bull.

I think that there should be som restrictions though. mandatory liscensing and registration of all pit bulls. mandatory genetic testing and temperment testing and all substandard dogs should be altered. try to save the dogs from the bad breeders. background checks on people who own them. if the law says you cant have a gun if you commit a felony there should be something similar that they could do here(long shot).

the way things are now there are so many of these dogs out there that are being used the wrong way and raised the wrong way and then they are bred so that thier offspring are even more likely to be similar. its a bad deal.

[Guest Anonymous]

no one here can say that i am wrong that the american pit bull terrier and the american staffordhire terriers are from the same dogs. the pit bull breeders bred dogs that were for fighting and the staffordshire breeders wanted dogs for conformation or dogs that look the part. by watered down i mean they are not quite the breed they started out as. and K i guess when i say drive i mean that cursed word "game". Lots of dogs have drive but still are not game. i read of a breeder doig bull baiting with his dogs. he took one of his females and while she was attacking the bull he shopped off her feet!! she kept on fighting the bull, proving how game she was he then went on to sell her puppies at a much higher price. That is of course a really old tale but it goes to show you what lengths people sink to for the sake of a "game" dog.

pwrpufgirlz- i am doing what i can to get research thats why i am here speaking to all of you. i am sharing the information that is easily available and seeing how much of it can be debunked. Unlike me most people dont go too deep with the research so a lot of this is all they would ever know. I have read quite a bit and am always interested in leanring more. i am doing what i can to look a the link given thus far and am learning more every minute.

[Sanvean]

Pit-curious, I am not as knowledgeable about history or statistics as many of the other pit-lovers here. I do not even own a pit (my husband is allergic to dogs, so we can only have a few particular breeds, which is why we have a Maltese).

However, in almost six years of doing rescue work, I have fallen in LOVE with pit bulls. The ones that I have been blessed to know were gentle and loving and all-around fabulous pets. If I could, I would adopt one in a moment.

Yes, owning another breed of dog might be easier. My little Macy can get away with murder -- jumping up on strangers, chasing the cats, etc. -- and people think it's a scream. I'm sure pit bull owners don't get the same reaction when THEIR dogs act like that! But if a pittie is the right dog for you, isn't it worth the stares and the nasty comments? I would certainly think so.

[Guest Anonymous]

Actually, I too agree with some of your ideas about BSL. I think it should be a lot harder for people to own Pit bulls, that way people who are serious about it will be weeded out from the money makers, hopefully the byb's, dog fighters and so on. I don't think Pit bulls or any other target BSL breeds should have automatically wear a muzzle in public, or be locked in a cage (read: CELL) simply because of their breed. That's not fair. I have three Pit bulls (two are mixes) and they have never shown any type of aggression, animal or otherwise. I would move before I would ever make them wear muzzle, if they have done nothing wrong..JMO.

I think that BSL target breeds should have to have CGC testing, and other similar tests (by a certain age). They should be microchipped, tattooed, and everything you already covered.


About Staffordshires they still have a lot of drive, fight, prey or otherwise. A lot of people say that they are simply a show version of the Pit bull. They can however still have animal aggression, like any Pit bull can. I dont know if you think this but if you do...Pit bulls are not for the most part "fight crazy". A properly bred and raised Pit bull should not look for a fight or picking them, but if it is presented with one it can handle themselves. Sure some dogfighting dogs are like that, but that is because their owners want them that way. But for the most part, Pit bull even with animal aggression..in the right hands. Are controlable, lovable and safe.

[Guest Anonymous]

"if a pittie is the right dog for you, isn't it worth the stares and the nasty comments?"

Yes! It is worth it. Every single day!

[Rosebud]

K, I agree, the average person can't handle a Doberman or a Rott either.

Any breed that has the instinct to be protective of it's home and family is not a breed the average person can handle, these breeds need to be in homes where the people understand the pros and cons of the breed's characteristics and are willing to teach and enforce the obedience that is necessary for the dog to be a functioning member of society. This includes but is not limited to Bully breeds.

K napisał(a):

the average person cant handle them

Sorry just picked up on this...the "average" person can't handle one no because they are not your "average" dog..we are people dedicated to the athletic, intelligent, sensitive sides of our dogs natures..I am more than an "average" owner...running,cycling, walking,grooming,training,playing,laughing,rolling around on the carpet,cuddling,kissing.. I do it all every single day..because these dogs deserve it!

:angel:

[JudyHoffman]

Many herding breeds are like that also, including the Belgian Shepherd. They have a very loyal very protective instinct and were originally bred to be guard dogs.

[Guest Anonymous]

lets not get rude! I would never watch something like that for entertainment purposes, it was being shown at a town meeting i attended. it was being shown to sway the people that these dogs are not like most, and it worked. They had stories and video of fights and documentation of how the dogs were kept and "trained" or more aptly not trained to be mean.
Wow, that really offended me... what have you read here that makes you think i get pleasure out of seeing a dog killed?
They showed dog attacks caught on tape. they showed a pair of pit bulls running loose on a school yard. then a little boy comes running onto the screen while the dogs owners are trying to scream and get the dogs to stop. the dog looks over a tthe boy who immediately stops and turns the other way, the dog gives chase and the little boy runs around a car the dog jumps right onto and then over the car the little boy hid behind an adult who was trying swing between the boy and the dog as the dog clamps down on the boys leg ansd starts shaking him. The dogs in the video were of course PTS and the woman was cited for harboring a dangerous animal and then again for not adhering to the leash laws.
they showed the famous one of the animal control officer and the little old lady that let her dog attack her. That dog was struck in the head VERY hard and immediately let go and came right back.
They also showed another one from the security cameras of a junk yard where two pit bulls killed a man. he hd jumped over the fence trying to steal something and when the dogs got him he couldnt get back over the fence they mauled him for an hour. every time he moved they renewed the attack. they tore out his throat and he bled to death with over 70% of his body coverd in bites.
Of all breeds the pit bull is the least likely to bite a human, but if they do bite a human they are far more likely to kill that person. once they start a task they want to finish it. and that was the main point they wanted to stress to us that night.

[Guest Anonymous]

I think I might have seen the same clip. There was a person going around over a year ago, posting this clip..on a bunch of Pit bull/dog boards. Of a Pit bull in Germany (I think from their language?). The Pit bull was attacking a man's arm, hanging off it and the man was bleeding ALOT. The police shot the dog once, the dog broke his bite and in my opinion the man could have SIMPLY walked back inside at that point..but instead. He stood there, the dog attacked again. And then the police fired a bunch more times, and then they showed the dog dieing. It was bloody awful. It was a news report/clip, which I found strange because there were SOO many people and reporters there.

Maybe it was the same video?

I have to admit it was really scary. But it was clear that the dog had bite training. Without a doubt. As did that AmStaff who attacked the Animal Control Officer, that is always shown on "Real TV" and so on. The dog was only going for the man's forearm, and had more then enough chance to bit other areas if it had wanted. Yet it hung like a police dog would from the poor mans arm. I wish I knew German because I would like to have known what the news report was saying.


Like Mei-Mei (with the great avitar picture) mentioned it's not just Pit bulls who will chase other animals, and not just Terriers either. Herding breeds will as well, and not always in the persuit of "herding". Herding breeds need to be socalized with other animals, just like Pit bulls do. Their work ablity or herding traits are natural, yes...but not properly trained..they will chase and sometimes kill livestock and other pets.

Just about any breed with little socaltization can aggressive with other dogs, or pets. There is a Boston Terrier down my street that would rather rip my puppies head off, then look at her. And my pup (a Pit bull) is completely horrified by her, and is not very sure about any other dogs. Yet she will take a round out of my 110lbs Presa/Rottie/Pit bull mix.

Here are some more site for you if you do want to learn some more about the breed.

Diane Jessup's "The Working Pit bull" site. A truthful and real site about the breed from a working stand point. She covers dogfighting, training, conformation and SOUNDNESS (something which I think you might find most interesting).

http://www.workingpitbull.com/

BadRap rescue informational site. BadRap is a rescue in Cali, but they have some great information about the breed. Historic, myths and breed traits and so on...

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/

Pit bull Rescue Central is a virtual shelter basically for rescue nationally to place their Pit bulls and other bull breeds online, so they can gain exposure and find forever homes. They also have some great information about the breed including, historic info, BSL, fight info, and more.

http://www.pbrc.net/home.html

Understand-a-Bull a new site that I have not had the time to really check out yet. But so far it looks great, here's that link..

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/

The Great Debate..a site debating if Pit bulls are dangerous to people or not..

http://www3.telus.net/cac/pitbulls/page4.html

[Guest Anonymous]

Those clips sound awful. But a junkyard dog clip, is HARDLY the kind of truthful insight to the breed people should be seeing. A "junkyard" dog is taught to be aggressive. Their job is to protect their yards from people like the man in the clip. The dogs were doing what they had been taught to do, they were doing their jobs.

It's sad it happened, and the man didn't deserve to die that way. No one does, but it is by no means a fair thing to show someone to make them see the TRUTH about the breed. The meeting sounds like someone was trying to start up a witchhunt.

Did they show ANYTHING positive about the breed? Did they show the SAR's Pit bulls? The many service Pit bulls? The therapy dogs? The "For Pits Sake" pit bulls? The many pit bulls who are just family turned heroes for saving their owners or others? Did they have any good family Pit bull owners come and speak about the breed? Anyone professionaling involved with the breed in a positive light?


Here's another link you should check out. The owner of the site is a little weird but the information on the site is all from newspapers and so on. If you look at the begining of the first years he has about animal attacks..you will find hardly any Pit bulls. However as you work your way through the years to date, you will find more and more. You can actually see the cycle of popular so-called dangerous breeds, gain more media play..and then die out. Pit bulls are the breed of choice right now, what breed do you think it will be in five years?

http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/

[Guest Anonymous]

http://www.edba.org.au/courier.html

[courtnek]

They are getting these dogs because they are so tough and because they are so strong and because people are scared of them, they use barbaric traing methods to make the dogs distrustingof humans and allow the to bite and attack strays cats and dogs to let them get used to killing

and this is EXACTLY what we are fighting. The APBT, like Rotties and Dobies and GSD's, in the wrong hands, are dangerous. WE have been
trying to both protect the dog from banishment, and fighting for both education of the ignorant (in how to raise and handle, and I am not being
abusive when I say "ignorant". That's exactly what it means. Lack of education is ignorance) and for stiffer laws to PUNISH the macho morons
who buy them to fight and train them to be vicious.

[gooeydog]

But admittedly from many pit bull owners mouths the dogs are aggressive and dominant and hard to handle.

I'm not sure what kind of "pit bulls" these people own, but the traits you listed are NOT at all typical of normal pit bulls. Pit bulls have been bred for centuries to be submissive towards humans, which makes them both non-aggressive towards them AND relatively easy to handle (at least for people who have the least bit of and understanding as to how dogs "work").

they can be very stubborn

Often this "stubborness" people speak of is not stubborness, but rather the dog "shutting down" in order to avoid harsh corrections and/or treatment. The handler, of course, gets more ffrustrated, and becomes even more harsh, causing the dog to shut down even further. It's a harsh circle. Most pit bulls are EXTREMELY loyal and eager to please, and will do anything to please those they love (possibly one of the reasons they end up in so much trouble).

in the wrong hands deadly not only to pets and children but grown men and women too

As ANY dog can be. Unsound temperament does not pick and choose by breed, and ANY dog that wants to hurt someone will do so if given half a chance.

they dont feel pain

No.... it's not that they don't "feel" pain. It's that they are extremely determined animals, and often will not give up, even though they may be in extreme pain. There's a huge difference.

they have tremendous strength in thier bodies and jaws

Again, more of a "strength" of the mind. They don't really have "tremendous strength" in their jaws, it's just that they have the willpower to keep ahold of whatever it is they have.

all of these attributes are for the fight. Right or wrong?

Right. Of course, you forgot the most important attribute "for the fight"... bite inhibition. These dogs had to be so unwilling to bite a human that even when in horrible pain, or in the midst of a raging fight, they wouldn't touch teeth to a person trying to restrain them.

Now i see that you are changing the dogs and utilizing the abilities for good but how hard is it?

Actually, the dogs that are doing so much good are not "changed"... they are the same as those who fought bears, bulls, dogs, and the like hundreds of years ago, with most of the same traits. Their past is WHY they are so adept at those jobs, so why would anyone want to change it?

there is no way to measure how much they have but it a fact

If there's no way of measuring it, then HOW do you know it's a fact?

As far as the aggression im not talking abou twhat they are bred for im talking about twhat they are raised for.

Now, in your last post, you were referring to what they were bred for... which is it? And if you ARE talking about what they're raised for, then wouldn't it be an OWNER problem, since the owners are the ones raising the dogs?

Toss that in with the factor that most pet bites dont occur to strangers and it just makes me that much more nervous.

Where does this fit in with everything else in your post?

When they do those weight pulls they have 50lb pit bulls pulling as much as 130 lb malamutes. and they are not strong? just think of the strenght that a pit bull of 130 lbs... mind boggling.

It's also a fact that for the most part, dogs' weight/strength ratio is on a sliding scale... the bigger the dog, the less strength it has per lb. This is not true in every case, but is the norm. And there are no such things as 130 lb pit bulls anyway, when you refer to those, you're actually referring to pit bulls mixed with larger-usually molosser type- dogs.

so what do you think the general concensus is about your breed of choice?

The general concensus is not always the truth, but yes, most pit bull owners know what the general concensus is on their breed of choice.

lots of people that dont breed for fighting purposes they breed those staffordshiers. the watered down pit bulls that dont fight

There are a lot of APBT owners that don't breed for fighting purposes also. And just because a dog is an AMStaff, doesn't mean it won't fight. Many AmStaffs and even Staffies are dog aggressive as well. Of course, so are a lot of terriers, so that's not really saying much, is it?

They are from pit bulls the dogs split people who wanted fighting dogs kept breeding pit bulls people who wanted dogs that looked the part but lacked the drive bred the staffordshires.

Actually, some of the early dogs that were registered with the AKC were either from fighting dog lines, or were fighting dogs themselves. Nowadays, many AmStaffs are conformation-only dogs, but then again, so are many APBTs.

they showed the famous one of the animal control officer and the little old lady that let her dog attack her. That dog was struck in the head VERY hard and immediately let go and came right back.

You DO realize that this scene was a reinactment, right? The dogs were trained actors, as were the people.

I'd wager that the other scenes were also "rebuilt", as the chances of anyone having a video camera with them at that particular time and place to catch a dog attack are very slim.

They also showed another one from the security cameras of a junk yard where two pit bulls killed a man. he hd jumped over the fence trying to steal something and when the dogs got him he couldnt get back over the fence they mauled him for an hour. every time he moved they renewed the attack. they tore out his throat and he bled to death with over 70% of his body coverd in bites.

These are junkyard dogs. Do you have any idea how junkyard guard dogs are trained??? Most of the time, training involves tying the dog off and doing crude agitation work, along with the not-uncommon abuse coupled in to "make 'em mean". These dogs are usually trained not to stop unless the person stops moving or is dead.

As to the article that was posted...

Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.

Dogs' jaws are like hinges... they don't "scissor" or "slide" like humans' do. That entire article is full of myths and mistruths like the above.