Would you agree...When would you say...

[Guest Anonymous]

Suppose a dog had repeatedly attack other dogs and attacked a human, would you say put that aggressive dog down (even though the owner is responsible)?

Hypothetically speaking:
If this was your dog that attacked other dogs and a human, would you still say "Put my Dog down?" How would you handle it emotionally?

If you wouldn't have your dog put down, then what would be your arguement to keep your dog?

[Angelboddy]

I totally agree with K.

[Guest Anonymous]

No question, they have it down. there is no excuse for an uprovoked attack on a person. now hopefully i would be wary enough to see a sign on some kind and start preventive training(in a perfect world :roll: )

[Sanvean]

Well, it would depend on the dog. If Macy, who is a tiny little thing, had attacked a person or another animal, I would probably consult a behaviorist before euthanizing her. HOWEVER, that is only because she couldn't cause much real damage. If she were larger, I would probably have her PTS immediately.

I have a question for "Your Special Guest" -- why do you only show up here to discuss aggressive dogs?

[Guest Anonymous]

Even though (in that protection scenario) that may be acceptable to us depeding on the laws in your town you could still lose your dog. they will try to say your dog is vicious and you are then going to have to prove thats its not and that you were being attacked. you have to have control of your dog becuase if your dog grabs the guy and mauls him to 5 minutes leaving multiple bites its going to be pretty bad as opposed to your dog lunging at the guy and him backing down and your able to call your dog off after a single bite or better yet just the threat of a bite. I read of that happening in FL two summers ago, a woman was home alone with her kids and a guy was sneaking around the house. he was looking for a way in testing windows and what not, when he jumped into the backyard and the dog got a hold of him. she hear dhim trying and called the cops, she couldnt call the dog off of the guy and he got bit a few times. The dog was still going after the guy who was now perched atop the dog house trying to kick it away. he immediately went into the innocent guy routine and the courts, not only let him walk but deemed the dog vicious and had it PTS!!! She couldnt prove that he was trying to gain access to the house and just trespassing didnt make it okay for the dog to maul the guy. BS

[Rosebud]

:)

I would like to first say that I have not read any posts to this topic so that my decision is not swayed one way or the other.

My own personal feelings are that I will not own a dog or a cat that I can not take anything I want, at anytime I want away from them. With this said, I also will not tolerate any form of aggression, whether it is towards other animals or people.

I love all of my animals equally and it would devastate me to do it, but if any one of them (unprovoked) attacked and/or bit another dog or heaven forbid a person I would put them down.

If the attack or bite was provoked I would have to evaluate the circumstances, the severity of the injuries, which animal inflicted the injury, whether or not the animal had a history and decide what my course of action would be.

:angel:

[Peng1zrule]

I beleive in treating dog equally...I've seen some real beasts, truly horrible dogs, that are not put down just because they are too small to kill a capable, human, adult. Worse yet, they're used for breeding sometimes!
But, if a dog has attacked a human, no cause, and not just a snap or nip, put it down. To deal emotionally...know that you are a RESPONSIBLE dog owner. Being responsible doesn't just mean food, water, shelter, training. Responsible means protecting your animal AND the public. You have to shield the public from harm from your dog, just as you have to shield your dog from harm from the public. Putting down a dog that is human aggressive is as common sense as not driving a car with no brakes. It's dangerous. It could endanger you, it could endanger others. Just not having it around is safest, and unlike a car, a dog is not fixable with some new parts and a bit of tinkering around. It won't be easy to do it, especially if you love the animal (and I KNOW, I've been in this situation) but it must be done if the dog is human aggressive--and there are some dogs that are just "born bad," and no amount of loving and gentle training can fix it.

[Carolk9s]

I feel the same as Rosebud
History of unprovoked aggression, dog is put down

Provoked aggression with just cause, eval, most likely would not put the dog down but would work on some training just to remind dog that I am top banana. Nothing harsh mind you, positive remedial only.
Would not want dog thinking it was ok to be aggressive if no consequences even from a provoked attack

[Guest Anonymous]

I agree with all the others on the attacking a human issue... if unprovoked, dog would be taking a long sleep. However, I have a problem with this wording:

Suppose a dog had repeatedly attack other dogs and attacked a human, would you say put that aggressive dog down (even though the owner is responsible)?

If a dog is REPEATEDLY attacking other dogs, then the owner is NOT responsible. A responsible owner would, after the FIRST attack, start managing the problem by either keeping the dog away from other dogs, training it to control itself around them, or both. They would not allow the scenario to repeat itself.

[Guest roo]

:o :o :o
Well i think our special guest is just winding us up :lol:

OK, Aggresive dog attacking other dog HELLOowners responsiblity ( this includes vet bills)

A dog attacking a human for no reason (unprovoked) PTS straight away.
A dog attacking a puppy, beware and watch vigilantely.

Our special guest DEAR why are you asking this? has it happened to you?
if so what were the circumstances surrounding the ATTACK?

[Rosebud]

:wink:

roo napisał(a):

:o :o :o
Well i think our special guest is just winding us up............Our special guest DEAR why are you asking this? has it happened to you?
if so what were the circumstances surrounding the ATTACK?

Roo I don't mind if this guest is just trying to start a debate, this is information that should be discussed. It educates our special guest and any visitors about what a truly responsible dog owner would do.

It deals completely with dog owner responsibility and I have a feeling that the majority consensus here is to do what is the responsible thing regardless of the circumstances surrounding the situation or the pain involved in making that kind of decision about a loved one.

:angel:

[courtnek]

There IS an exception here though...if my dog attacked a human because it was protecting me from getting murdered, raped, etc. I would not want to put him/her down. I think a dog has the right to protect its owner just like a husband or loved one does, but that's just my opinion.

[quote]

I agree that is why I used the word unprovoked in my sentance...I believe a dog has the right to do anything necessary to protect the owner and I also believe the dog has the right to defend itself from attack by a human in the only way it can..with teeth!....

I agree. An UNPROVOKED attack, I would take the dog to the vet to see if there was somethng neurologically wrong with it. If there was, and it could be treated, I might decide to try to "cure" it using medicine. It NOT, then the dog gets put down. period.

An unprovoked attack against another dog? I have serious issues with that. What we consider "unprovoked" and what dogs consider "unprovoked" are often two different things. If he had shown
aggression towards other animals before, I would have been demoting him and retraining him immediately. If that didnt work, then yes he would be put down. Other people have the right to feel safe, and have their pets feel safe, around dogs. Th training may have been the issue in the beginning, and the socialization, but if the owner is not aware there is a problem and does nothing to correct it, then the dog needs to be put down.

and RNP, VERY good point. If you couldnt prove by video or eyewitness evidence that the burgler was trying to break in, you wouldnt have a case.
Your chances would be better if the guy DID break in, and the dog defended his household there. Just FYI, if someone breaks into your house and you shoot him, unless he was carrying a weapon and you have video or eyewitnesses to prove it, YOU are in trouble,

I just LOVE the legal system sometimes....

***major sarcasm spilling over here*****

:evil:

[Carolk9s]

Quoted from Courtnek
'Just FYI, if someone breaks into your house and you shoot him, unless he was carrying a weapon and you have video or eyewitnesses to prove it, YOU are in trouble,'

I've always heard that if someone is breaking into your house and you shoot them, pull them the rest of the way inside so they are IN your house when the police arrive. 8)

[courtnek]

that's how it USED to be...If you shot him "in the doorway" you were supposed to bring him into the house....however, now, forensics can
prove you dragged him in, and that wont work. AND they made the laws
stricter...You cant shoot him, even fully in your house, unless you can prove he was there against your will, which means video or eyewitnesses....After all, you might have LET him in, even tho he's a criminal, you LET HIM IN. is there not something wrong with this picture??? If you LET HIM IN, he is NOT responsible....

Anyway, if you are stupid enough to let him in, and your dogs attack him,
or you shoot him, you are responsble UNLESS you can prove his attack
was unprovoked OR he was obviously carrying a weapon. which you also have to prove..... why are we catering to the criminals instead of the victims? I had a guy show up here claiming he was animal control....
the only reason I DIDNT let him in (I have nothing to hide) was because the
dogs hated him on sight. AND made a big issue about letting me know it.
I;m talking teeth-showing-tails-straight-out-ears-back-DONT YOU COME IN MY HOUSE!!! warning. snarling, not barking or growling...full teeth display.
Basically saying "come thru that door and I WILL KILL YOU". I locked the door in his face. It turns out he's a mental patient, they picked him up a few weeks later, but the dogs definitely did NOT like him, so he wasnt coming in. Something a burgler alarm wont tell you...

[Guest Anonymous]

SO true!!! My dogs are HOUSE DOGS. never understood why you would get a dog and then chain it out back. your dog can protect the circle of dirt around his chain and thats it. Did you ever notice in scary movies the people never had dogs? and when they do they usually have them chained in the bak yard. now thats not to say my dogs are bought for protection(that is just a juicy bonus) but it is something that cant be overlooked, and depending on what breed of dog your talking about some of them have REALLY high protections drives. and if those drives arent channeled and controled a "unprovoked" attack is a definate possibility. Dogs that live in the house are usually happier and easier to control. there are rules in the house; dont pee, dont bite, dont dig, dont chew and even without trying to your dog is learning what behaviors are good and bad. There are so many things that my dogs have learned that i never set out to teach them. but take that same dog chain it up and limit its interaction with not only its family but strangers as well. its going to assume that anyone is a possible threat because it doesnt know that strangers can be friends. not that unprovoked attack was all but trained into the dog by the owner. it swings both ways.

[DogPaddle]

Just a thought:
Sometimes its hard to proove unprovoked if you aren't right there when it happens.
My mom had a cockapoo, Joe, sweetest dog ever. My mom also babysat toddlers, children and infants. They tugged on that dogs fur, stole his biscits and drooled on him. He was as good as gold. He wouldn't even take their cookies or cherios even if they left them right in front of him. One day he was out in the yard and all of the sudden we hear this kid (9)let out a howl. We come, she accuses Joe of biting her for no reason, she has a scratch or welt, we are quite concerned, the neigbour leans over the fence at tells us this little girl (who is normally fairly trustworthy) was for some unknown reason stepping on the dogs front feet while pulling up on his ears!
If the neighbour hadn't cleared the dog . . .

[ellieangel]

Too true dogpaddle thank goodness the neighbour saw :-?
We had an unfortunate incident here a while back,Rio was curled up on a chair and I was hoovering so I moved the other armchair so that it was in front of the one Rio was on and the twins were having a barney and Luke pushed Joe onto Rio (who had a nasty infected paw at the time too :( )and neither Joe nor Rio could move and Rio snapped at Joe in panic and broke the skin,it was awful but I know that Rio was already in pain from his paw and to have a 10 yearold's full weight on it must have been agony for him.
I wouldn't put to sleep over a freak accident like that :(
Also Ellie is pretty good with other dogs but if we have a dog that is constantly pestering her,bouncing around her or trying to mount she will 'tell it off' to my mind dogs shouldn't be allowed to run up randomly to other dogs and bounce all over them I wouldn't let one of mine do it.

I think every incident has to be weighed up individually this is a subject that isn't cut and dried :-?