Aroura Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 I've been searching around the Papillon websites and I came across this one: http://cust.idl.com.au/welona/ They've produced a few champions, and the dogs look very healthy, but there are so many of them! Does this look sus to you or simply a good breeder with a lot of dogs? :-? Quote
Guest roo Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 It seems to be an ok site, checked the uk imports for you :lol: I would find the local breed club nearest you, join it, go to shows and talk to people before you book a pup :lol: Watch around the ring, see what you like, talk to people, I always reccomend getting a catalogue and ticking the dogs i like, after few shows watching you should find that they are from the same sort of lines. Good luck in your quest, be prepared to wait for the right dog to come along, are you after a dog or bitch and what colour are you wanting? Are you or would you consider importing? Quote
mouseatthebusstop Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 Roo is right :) best way to do it Quote
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 I agree with Roo and Mouse! :wink: She seems okay, although she does have ALOT of dogs... her lines are wonderful! And since you want show lines, I think she should be ok. But look around some more just to be sure! :wink: Quote
Carolk9s Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 I looked all over and could not find any sort of 'breeding philosophy' statement. I am used to seeing this on many of the Belgian breeder sites I have visited. I don't know if its uncommon to have one or not. Nothing saying she's breeding for specific goals such as type, health, temperament, etc. The lack of such a statement does NOT mean she's not a quality breeder, as I said I'm just fairly used to seeing breeding goals on other sites. Cute dogs and lots of them! Quote
Black GSD Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 What I wondered first off is: Are those all dogs the OWN or just dogs they have bred? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted August 18, 2003 Posted August 18, 2003 Hmmmm...that is a bit odd. I agree that you should talk to a breed club member. Quote
Aroura Posted August 18, 2003 Author Posted August 18, 2003 Roo, I don't intend to breed until I have finnished uni, have my own house and a steady job - so I'm really looking into the future!!! :lol: I do intend to get a Pap before that though, hopefully soonish, a non breeding one, probably an older rescue if I can get my hands on one :D I think I will look into importing though, with so few breeders in Aus. The pages I have looked at, most of the breeders appear to have produced alot of very good dogs and alot of them only breed every few years, so I think as a whole the pap breeders here are quite reputable, of course that doesn't mean there aren't still puppy millers who simply don't have web pages. Carol, you are right, it is lacking a breed philosophy statement, something to be wary about. There were so many breeds listed, I just can't see how anyone could breed so many dogs and be doing it all right. Is it possible? I'm after a brown and white one, I like the black and white, as well as the tricolour paps but I think the brown ones are prettier, and less common, so hopefully I will be able to find a good one. About shows etc, I would love to attend shows all the time but its so hard for me!!! I live kind of in the middle of no where. Apparently there is an annual show here, but do you think they advertise it? I've never heard anything of it except by the of mouth that it actually exists! Even though I wont be getting a show/breeding pap for some years, I really want to look into the bloodlines now and follow them so that by the time I'm ready I really am on the right track. I have seen some rather good pages aside from this one and am going to email the breeders, it is always best to keep in contact with as many breeders as possible because hopefully when the time does come for me to get a pap I will have some friends dedicated to the breed to help me find the "perfect" dog :D Quote
Aroura Posted August 18, 2003 Author Posted August 18, 2003 Kiwi napisał(a):The Breeder might only just have a handful of dogs living with her, the rest could be co-owned, and live with their own families. Which you'll find seems to be quite common with show dogs. Yes, I think that could be the case, while looking around some other Papillon sites one of them actually mentioned her name, saying that one of their boys was temperarilly with her while she gained his tittle, maybe she's really heavilly into showing? I'm afraid to say I don't know too much about the dog showing world as yet :-? Quote
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted August 18, 2003 Posted August 18, 2003 About shows etc, I would love to attend shows all the time but its so hard for me!!! I live kind of in the middle of no where. Apparently there is an annual show here, but do you think they advertise it? I've never heard anything of it except by the of mouth that it actually exists! I hear yah Aroura! :wink: I live in the middle of nowhere too! I mean, the middle of the middle of nowhere! :lol: So I'm not alone... :lol: Quote
Aroura Posted August 18, 2003 Author Posted August 18, 2003 Good to hear I have another deserted friend!!! Isn't it hard when people make you all these impossible suggestions you just WISH you could do but the resources wont allow you to!!! Oh well, at least we have the internet, THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET!!! :angel: :lol: Quote
Malamum Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 Aroura, ring them up and chat to them or start corresponding by email. You want to find a breeder that you can form a friendship with and most of the time your gut instinct will give you an indication on how kosher the person is. If you find a breeder that you think you want to get a puppy from then go and visit them. If you find any breeders in Sydney or have any shows that you want to go and watch I am happy to come with you or drive you there if you can get yourself to Sydney. Quote
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 Aroura napisał(a):Good to hear I have another deserted friend!!! Isn't it hard when people make you all these impossible suggestions you just WISH you could do but the resources wont allow you to!!! Oh well, at least we have the internet, THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET!!! :angel: :lol: Start the chant! THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET! :lol: So, deserted friend ( :lol:), I was wondering, how do you get stuff for your dogs that you don't have there? I can't do anything about it most time... :bigcry: Quote
Aroura Posted August 24, 2003 Author Posted August 24, 2003 Malamum napisał(a):If you find any breeders in Sydney or have any shows that you want to go and watch I am happy to come with you or drive you there if you can get yourself to Sydney. Thanks for the offer!!! I might take you up on that one, we can go and look at all the beautiful dogs together :wink: I have emailed a couple of the breeders and got a few responses. I replied and have saved their emails for later reference and so if I'm ever heading their direction I can arrange to have a look at their dogs and become familiar with the breed and breeders! :D Rowie, the only thing I ever really worried about was the food, but now that I'm feeding BARF I don't have to worry about searching around for the best quality foods because its all right here at my door step!!! The vets have all the best worming tablets etc that they may also need from time to time. Sometimes when I go to Sydney I will see things that I would love for my dogs and buy it, but they are just the extras that I think are cute or fun at the time :wink: Oh, and finding a new dog is nih on impossible!!! As I've found by looking around for a Papillon, I have found one that I hopefully might be able to get, but I have to travel 20 hours to get him!!! :lol: It'll be worth the hike though! Quote
Malamum Posted August 25, 2003 Posted August 25, 2003 You won't need to twist my arm too hard to get me to come and look at dogs with you. Just let me know :D Quote
Aroura Posted August 25, 2003 Author Posted August 25, 2003 Thanks Malamum :D Hey, maybe at the Easter show next year? They have dog shows there don't they? LOL, and I could have a holiday while I'm at it! 8) :lol: Quote
Malamum Posted August 25, 2003 Posted August 25, 2003 That's a good idea. It will give me a bit of incentive to actually go to the Easter Show next year. I haven't been for years and have never been to the Homebush site. It's all so commercialised and overpriced these days and now that I am too old for Barbie Showbags I seem to have lost interest :wink: but going to check out the dog shows sounds like fun. It's a date :D Quote
Aroura Posted August 25, 2003 Author Posted August 25, 2003 Haha!!! All I remember of the last time I went to the easter show is a whole heap of people and a bird pooping on my brothers head!!!! I thought it couldn't have been that long ago but I just asked dad and apparently it was when I was about two years old, before we even moved to canada!!! LOL, I must have a pretty good memory!!! :lol: Its a date then! :D Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted August 25, 2003 Posted August 25, 2003 I used to work at the Easter Show,before I moved to Queensland.I worked there for 4 years,its the biggest waste of money.But I loved working there because every lunch break I could sneak away and watch the beautiful dogs!The cows and horses were good too,and I also was a contsant visitor of the baby animals. :lol: Quote
Aroura Posted August 26, 2003 Author Posted August 26, 2003 Well the last time i was there I didn't even know what money was!!! Come to think of it, i actually do remember mum carrying me and pointing at things, then being put back in my pram. Ha!!! I can't believe I remember it so well!!! The only other thing I remember from around that age was running away (I think i was nearly 3 this time) to the canal kind of near our house and picking up a Doberman and a Golden Retriever and bringing them home, mum nearly freaked when i got home!!! Her little baby girl with two big strange dogs!!! She was attacked by dogs when she was 5 so needles to say she was scared for me, and couldn't beleive I'd brought home a doberman!!! LOL, the things you remember eh? :lol: Quote
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